SaintsLoyal Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 I do hope we dont end up losing some of these up and cumming players, especialy to Newcastle who can now buy the best players in the world and these young players will not get a lookin apart from the odd cup game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 1 minute ago, SaintsLoyal said: I do hope we dont end up losing some of these up and cumming players, especialy to Newcastle who can now buy the best players in the world and these young players will not get a lookin apart from the odd cup game. Say what now? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 30 June, 2022 Share Posted 30 June, 2022 3 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said: I do hope we dont end up losing some of these up and cumming players, especialy to Newcastle who can now buy the best players in the world and these young players will not get a lookin apart from the odd cup game. Newcastle just doing what all the other rich clubs have done - city, liverpool, chelsea etc, buying the best players on the market at both junior and senior ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 8 hours ago, Suhari said: Say what now? To be fair, most of them are just past puberty and so probably are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 I think the only way to compete on the wages other teams would pay is to give him huge bonuses everytime he plays above his age group, eg for the u23s, more if he makes the match day squad and even more if he gets on the pitch. Show him that he can make money and progress his career with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 15 minutes ago, redkeith said: I think the only way to compete on the wages other teams would pay is to give him huge bonuses everytime he plays above his age group, eg for the u23s, more if he makes the match day squad and even more if he gets on the pitch. Show him that he can make money and progress his career with us. If we wanted to pay him £6.5k pw we could but I'd imagine they have a strict pay structure for this age group for non financial reasons. Insane being offered that sort of money before he's even able to sign a pro contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 He's not going to Newcastle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 Just now, The Cat said: He's not going to Newcastle. Ohhh. Staying? Or going elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 11 minutes ago, Suhari said: Ohhh. Staying? Or going elsewhere One of those, yes. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 16 minutes ago, The Cat said: He's not going to Newcastle. Interesting.. Kami Doyle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Cat said: One of those, yes. Do you have a son the same age as Tyler ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said: Do you have a son the same age as Tyler ? Yes, but I'm sure quite a few other people do too. My son isn't in Saints Academy. Although if he'd spent more time practicing football rather than guitar he possibly could have been. I'll just have to put up with him headlining Glastonbury rather than playing pro football 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisbury Saint Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Cat said: Yes, but I'm sure quite a few other people do too. My son isn't in Saints Academy. Although if he'd spent more time practicing football rather than guitar he possibly could have been. I'll just have to put up with him headlining Glastonbury rather than playing pro football 😂 Stoneham ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sarisbury Saint said: Stoneham ? Nope. Played for Southampton Schoolboys and the Sholing team who won league, Hampshire Cup, Tyro cup and then broke up after U15's. If you have a son who played for Sarisbury at the same age group then I'm still bitter about how they cheated them out of the league at U14's 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 1 hour ago, The Cat said: One of those, yes. Ooh, this is fun, like 20 Questions. I'm inclined to believe you.;-) Will he have more chance of playing for the first team than at Newcastle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 1 July, 2022 Share Posted 1 July, 2022 51 minutes ago, suewhistle said: Ooh, this is fun, like 20 Questions. I'm inclined to believe you.;-) Will he have more chance of playing for the first team than at Newcastle? 🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 2 July, 2022 Author Share Posted 2 July, 2022 (edited) Sounds like we will know soon but from this and The Cat I'm guessing he won't be on the list and is moving somewhere else. Hopefully not Morgan too. Edited 2 July, 2022 by Dusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 2 July, 2022 Share Posted 2 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Dusic said: Sounds like we will know soon but from this and The Cat I'm guessing he won't be on the list and is moving somewhere else. Hopefully not Morgan too. I think Morgan is staying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 2 July, 2022 Share Posted 2 July, 2022 15 hours ago, The Cat said: He's not going to Newcastle. The ever reliable football insider disagrees https://www.footballinsider247.com/expert-newcastle-united-to-announce-signing-of-southampton-sensation-in-coming-days/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0xz5nx5BnOXFoxN1kYVogKBoApRJ4v9wu065rc6dPLXdX9MxnoAM0_KPw#Echobox=1656489405 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 3 July, 2022 Share Posted 3 July, 2022 On 02/07/2022 at 11:36, Turkish said: The ever reliable football insider disagrees https://www.footballinsider247.com/expert-newcastle-united-to-announce-signing-of-southampton-sensation-in-coming-days/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0xz5nx5BnOXFoxN1kYVogKBoApRJ4v9wu065rc6dPLXdX9MxnoAM0_KPw#Echobox=1656489405 I'm still hearing he is off too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 3 July, 2022 Share Posted 3 July, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Katalinic said: I'm still hearing he is off too. If all he cares about is money then fair enough. But looks a mistake from a footballing perspective. If he's as good as rumoured, then he'd likely play for saints this season - after that anything can happen, including a much bigger move that includes game time. Edited 3 July, 2022 by Saint86 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 3 July, 2022 Share Posted 3 July, 2022 1 hour ago, Saint86 said: If all he cares about is money then fair enough. But looks a mistake from a footballing perspective. If he's as good as rumoured, then he'd likely play for saints this season - after that anything can happen, including a much bigger move that includes game time. The thing is, if he goes to Newcastle on 7k a week for 3 years + sign of fee’s etc., then he’s pretty much set for life, regardless of what happens (providing he doesn’t spunk it all) He could easily stay here on presumably half or less than half of that, and pick up a career ending injury and/or never make the first team. I don’t think you can blame him, to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 3 July, 2022 Share Posted 3 July, 2022 3 hours ago, Katalinic said: I'm still hearing he is off too. The Cat didn’t say he wasn’t off tbf, just that it wasn’t to Newcastle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 5 July, 2022 Share Posted 5 July, 2022 On 03/07/2022 at 20:12, Dman said: The thing is, if he goes to Newcastle on 7k a week for 3 years + sign of fee’s etc., then he’s pretty much set for life, regardless of what happens (providing he doesn’t spunk it all) He could easily stay here on presumably half or less than half of that, and pick up a career ending injury and/or never make the first team. I don’t think you can blame him, to be honest. Hate to disappoint but 1m gross is hardly "set for life" these days, though it might seem to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 5 July, 2022 Share Posted 5 July, 2022 36 minutes ago, VectisSaint said: Hate to disappoint but 1m gross is hardly "set for life" these days, though it might seem to some. Better than leaving uni owing 40 grand or so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 5 July, 2022 Share Posted 5 July, 2022 1 hour ago, VectisSaint said: Hate to disappoint but 1m gross is hardly "set for life" these days, though it might seem to some. It's a pretty decent sum to have in hand by the time you turn 19 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 July, 2022 Share Posted 6 July, 2022 14 hours ago, suewhistle said: Better than leaving uni owing 40 grand or so. Only 40? About 70 these days isn’t it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 6 July, 2022 Share Posted 6 July, 2022 Dunno. I got a grant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 6 July, 2022 Share Posted 6 July, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, suewhistle said: Better than leaving uni owing 40 grand or so. Agree totally, but a million (gross) over 3 years is not all that it is cracked up to be. Imagine how much of that would actually be left after 3 years as a teenager, can't live the rest of your life on the interest of diddly squat. Bear in mind also that he would earn a fair proportion of that if he stayed put, it's not a million extra. To be honest he would be badly advised to move to Newcastle at this stage in his career, it's not like he will be guaranteed first team football or anything, and no European possibilities at least for a year, so he will just be kicking about in the u21 league division 2. If he is as good as it seems surely Man City or Chelsea would hoover him up and he would at least get to play in UEFA. Edited 6 July, 2022 by VectisSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 6 July, 2022 Share Posted 6 July, 2022 Has he left yet? Wonder if we're looking to announce Lavia and Aribo in parallel with his departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 July, 2022 Share Posted 8 July, 2022 On 06/07/2022 at 14:38, VectisSaint said: Agree totally, but a million (gross) over 3 years is not all that it is cracked up to be. Imagine how much of that would actually be left after 3 years as a teenager, can't live the rest of your life on the interest of diddly squat. Bear in mind also that he would earn a fair proportion of that if he stayed put, it's not a million extra. To be honest he would be badly advised to move to Newcastle at this stage in his career, it's not like he will be guaranteed first team football or anything, and no European possibilities at least for a year, so he will just be kicking about in the u21 league division 2. If he is as good as it seems surely Man City or Chelsea would hoover him up and he would at least get to play in UEFA. Jeez, how much pocket money did you spend as a teenager?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 July, 2022 Share Posted 8 July, 2022 On 06/07/2022 at 17:38, VectisSaint said: Agree totally, but a million (gross) over 3 years is not all that it is cracked up to be. Imagine how much of that would actually be left after 3 years as a teenager, can't live the rest of your life on the interest of diddly squat. Bear in mind also that he would earn a fair proportion of that if he stayed put, it's not a million extra. To be honest he would be badly advised to move to Newcastle at this stage in his career, it's not like he will be guaranteed first team football or anything, and no European possibilities at least for a year, so he will just be kicking about in the u21 league division 2. If he is as good as it seems surely Man City or Chelsea would hoover him up and he would at least get to play in UEFA. But assuming they aren't interested, then all those things that you say make Newcastle a bad option apply to us too. It's not like he's going to start 20 games for us next season, so he might as well earn more money, and maybe they will loan him to a Champ team. It's a shame if some if our best young players move on but it's not worth worrying about too much. There are plenty of top rated players at u18 level that end up not being anywhere near as good as expected and if we were confident of his ability already he probably would have started a few matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 8 July, 2022 Author Share Posted 8 July, 2022 Not in the list of scholars so seems clear he is leaving. No point dressing it up, its a big blow for the academy seeing as he is a massive talent and has already been on the bench for the first team aged 16. Any compensation will be minimal vs his potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 July, 2022 Share Posted 8 July, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dusic said: Not in the list of scholars so seems clear he is leaving. No point dressing it up, its a big blow for the academy seeing as he is a massive talent and has already been on the bench for the first team aged 16. Any compensation will be minimal vs his potential. This is very true, but on the plus side, we've done well to hold onto others. Brexit has played a part in making elite, young, domestic talents an even more precious commodity than they already were. I think there's no doubt that 14/15 year olds are now being picked off by larger sides now (even less compo is due then). It's more expensive, but I quite like our policy of getting them in once they've seen they can't play, post-academy. (assuming they are brave enough to jump). Edited 8 July, 2022 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmidlandsaint Posted 8 July, 2022 Share Posted 8 July, 2022 A question for anyone that watches/follows the academy closely is Dibbling really as good as everyone is making out. I only ask as I loosely follow the academy & women's team and before the hatrick against Newcastle I'd not heard of him. Clearly talented by the looks of the hatrick but wondering if people/press have jumped on the bandwagon somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 July, 2022 Share Posted 8 July, 2022 3 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said: A question for anyone that watches/follows the academy closely is Dibbling really as good as everyone is making out. I only ask as I loosely follow the academy & women's team and before the hatrick against Newcastle I'd not heard of him. Clearly talented by the looks of the hatrick but wondering if people/press have jumped on the bandwagon somewhat. As a general rule, look for kids playing above their age groups. He was playing for the 18’s at 15 before he had a scholarship. Then banged 3 at U23 level. Then made the first team bench. Very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 10 July, 2022 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2022 Chelsea have been very active in the youth market again this summer and just signed a top talent who was at Brighton. Wouldn't be surpised to see Dibling there. Easily the best recent record of bringing through top players from their academy, and wouldnt have to relocate hundreds of miles away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vin Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dusic said: Chelsea have been very active in the youth market again this summer and just signed a top talent who was at Brighton. Wouldn't be surpised to see Dibling there. Easily the best recent record of bringing through top players from their academy, and wouldnt have to relocate hundreds of miles away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 As I said earlier in the thread, he's not going to Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 Swap deal for Broja? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westmidlandsaint Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 1 hour ago, The Cat said: As I said earlier in the thread, he's not going to Newcastle. Do you know if he is going somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 13 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said: Do you know if he is going somewhere else? Hopefully not Chelsea... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 48 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said: Do you know if he is going somewhere else? If he was staying he would have been announced with the other scholars a few days ago so it's safe to say the answer to your question is yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 (edited) If he goes to Chelsea it’s a purely money motivated move with little to do with footballing prospects for both sides of the deal. Chelsea have a great business model in developing and selling young players without ever playing them consistently. We’ve benefited from it! So if it’s true and he goes there, he’ll know this and know his chances of a Prem start for them are slim-to-none, and they’ll know they’ll make a decent profit in a few years. Edited 10 July, 2022 by RobM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 At least if he goes to Chelsea we can get him back in a couple of years with them having paid for his development. Might be a good deal in the long run. If he were to go to that hotbed of youth football Newcastle he will probably never develop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 If he leaves, chelsea is probably the best option for us. We have a decent relationship with them, we want some more of their players, they want to keep us sweet just as we want to keep them sweet. Always a shame if you lose one of your best talents though, 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 On 03/07/2022 at 18:12, Saint86 said: If all he cares about is money then fair enough. But looks a mistake from a footballing perspective. If he's as good as rumoured, then he'd likely play for saints this season - after that anything can happen, including a much bigger move that includes game time. Isn't that the reason anyone goes to work? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 3 hours ago, Dusic said: Chelsea have been very active in the youth market again this summer and just signed a top talent who was at Brighton. Apparently he’s bloody good. Chelsea are hoover-monsters at youth level… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 10 July, 2022 Share Posted 10 July, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, RobM said: If he goes to Chelsea it’s a purely money motivated move with little to do with footballing prospects for both sides of the deal. Chelsea have a great business model in developing and selling young players without ever playing them consistently. We’ve benefited from it! So if it’s true and he goes there, he’ll know this and know his chances of a Prem start for them are slim-to-none, and they’ll know they’ll make a decent profit in a few years. Your post contradicts itself… you say it’s just for money, then say Chelsea are great at developing young talent! I think any young player should be aiming to join Chelsea or Man City. They’ve got the best coaches at that level and the volume of top level players they produce is much higher than average clubs. Throw in the greater wage packet and it’s a no brainier. And when they’re 18-21 clubs like Saints will buy them so they get 1st team football We still haven’t produced a first teamer from the academy since Shaw…. Edited 10 July, 2022 by Barsiem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 11 July, 2022 Share Posted 11 July, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Barsiem said: We still haven’t produced a first teamer from the academy since Shaw… since Yan Valery...or Smallbone, not as good as Shaw granted but both part of the first team squad. Edited 11 July, 2022 by skintsaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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