Summer Transfer Window 2023

[miserableoldgit]

Just watched RM's presser on YouTube, including the "embargoed" bit. Said a couple of times that he hoped to get "3 or 4 in" before the window slams shut. Needs to get a move on....

[HarvSFC]

I said we should get Stewart and Cannon if Adams was to leave yesterday. Cannon would be a good stop gap while Stewart gets fit and then be a good backup. But, there has to be a heavy O'Rourke tax. Bloke knows nothing.

[CSA96]

https://x.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1697268018504405170?s=46&t=f0hgNyKSvvOD5qjGLJhsXQ

[Appy]

Percy saying Wolves in talks with Adams over loan deal, surely we aren’t letting him go on loan. 

[Saint_lambden]

No chance we keep Che and sign Stewart. 

[goodymatt]

13 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said:

Here's how to embed a Twitter link on iPhone 

So you have to copy the link from Twitter in a browser? Copying the link from the x app doesn’t work.

[Saint NL]

Che out on loan is stupid, either sell him and reinvest the money or keep him 🤷

[Saint Matty 76]

Strange rumour.

Would have to be a way of Wolves fighting FFP with an obligation to sign, considering his contract will be up anyway.

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

https://x.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1697268018504405170?s=46&t=f0hgNyKSvvOD5qjGLJhsXQ

 

(Courtesy Saintsweb Embedding Services) 

 

Edited 31 August, 2023 by trousers

[ecurnew02]

Loan doesn’t even make sense unless he signed a one year extension with us and then Wolves had an obligation to buy 

[farawaysaint]

Just now, Saint Matty 76 said:

Strange rumour.

Would have to be a way of Wolves fighting FFP with an obligation to sign, considering his contract will be up anyway.

If they have an obligation to sign then the expense would be upfronted anyway I believe. So I don’t see how it helps FFP. 

[CB Fry]

This actually sounds more like a Wolves version of "look we tried but couldn't quite do it". A half arsed attempt to get Che if ever there was.

[Winchester Red]

Yep, no problem. That'll be a £10m loan fee with an obligation to buy at the end of the season for another £10m.  Just sign here....

Loan will work just fine under that structure.

[Crab Lungs]

We wouldn’t loan a player out with one year left. Whoever told Percy that hasn’t done their facts or are pissing themselves laughing that he bought it.

[Saint Matty 76]

Just now, farawaysaint said:

If they have an obligation to sign then the expense would be upfronted anyway I believe. So I don’t see how it helps FFP. 

Honestly god knows how it works. I'm sure they have clever ways of diverting the payment until next year.

Either way it'll be disappointing.

[a1ex2001]

1 minute ago, ecurnew02 said:

Loan doesn’t even make sense unless he signed a one year extension with us and then Wolves had an obligation to buy 

exactly, unless the loan fee is pretty much the same as the transfer fee we wanted from Everton which would equally make no sense to me but then the way football clubs seem to be running there finances makes no sense to anyone these days!

[SaintTex]

found this site on Championship transfers interesting,  as it lists a percentage of league starts lost and number of league goals lost due to player outs.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/23626243.championship-transfer-window-2023-24-every-far/

of the three relegated sides

Southampton

• League starts lost: 158 (38%)
• League goals lost: 13

Leicester

• League starts lost: 108 (26%)
• League goals lost: 29 

Leeds

• League starts lost: 205 (49%)
• League goals lost: 23

[23rdSaint]

7 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

So you have to copy the link from Twitter in a browser? Copying the link from the x app doesn’t work.

Ah, I guess that's it! I don't use the X app

[revolution saint]

Only way a loan makes sense is if he signs an extension similar to what AMN did when we loaned him.  Even that isn't a particularly great deal from either financial or football perspectives. 

Edited 31 August, 2023 by revolution saint

[Maggie May]

4 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

We wouldn’t loan a player out with one year left. Whoever told Percy that hasn’t done their facts or are pissing themselves laughing that he bought it.

Someone telling Percy porkies?

[CSA96]

11 minutes ago, Appy said:

Percy saying Wolves in talks with Adams over loan deal, surely we aren’t letting him go on loan. 

1yr extension before he goes and a compulsory purchase based on Wolves staying up? If he doesn’t then we cash in on him next summer instead?

It’s the only way I can make a loan make some sense.

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, SaintTex said:

found this site on Championship transfers interesting,  as it lists a percentage of league starts lost and number of league goals lost due to player outs.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/23626243.championship-transfer-window-2023-24-every-far/

of the three relegated sides

Southampton

• League starts lost: 158 (38%)
• League goals lost: 13

Leicester

• League starts lost: 108 (26%)
• League goals lost: 29 

Leeds

• League starts lost: 205 (49%)
• League goals lost: 23

I'd prefer to lose more - not sure if anyone saw but we were fucking awful last season. 

[23rdSaint]

 

[goodymatt]

1 minute ago, 23rdSaint said:

 

We do seem very keen to sell/offload Mara

Edited 31 August, 2023 by goodymatt

[SambaMaverick]

Just now, goodymatt said:

We do seem very keen to sell offload Mara

It's because he's shite

[Smirking_Saint]

36 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said:

Change the "x" to "twitter" before pasting, then wait a couple of seconds for the rich text message to pop up. I did it earlier from an iPhone. A faff, but doable

Thanking you

And indeed… is a faff

[CSA96]

Ties in with Garrett's info on the French core causing issues and equally, basically all wanting to leave.

[trousers]

Random thought:

Ché says to Saints: "Ok, I'll sign the new improved 3 year deal on the table but on the condition you loan me out to a Premier League team for the first year and then I'll come back to Saints next season if/when we're promoted"

Would that make any sense?

Edited 31 August, 2023 by trousers

[goodymatt]

I guess if you have Stewart and Che/his replacement, Mara is 3rd choice and even then Armstrong may be preferred up top to him. Mara needs to go somewhere he can play regularly to develop. I’d be happy with a loan to see how he does. Doesn’t seem like anyone is willing to buy atm.

[goodymatt]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Random thought:

Ché says to Saints: "Ok, I'll sign the new improved 3 year deal on the table but on the condition you loan me out to a Premier League team for the first year and then I'll come back to Saints next season if/when we're promoted"

Would that make any sense?

Help us back up or fuck off, Che. Thank you.

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

We do seem very keen to sell/offload Mara

or Mara does seem keen to leave, so his agent is working very hard to find him a new home.

[Smirking_Saint]

3 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Ties in with Garrett's info on the French core causing issues and equally, basically all wanting to leave.

👀

[Bit of a plonker]

Didn’t we loan Cedric to Arsenal until the end of his contract or am I not remembering correctly?

[SaintLondon]

Just now, Bit of a plonker said:

Didn’t we loan Cedric to Arsenal until the end of his contract or am I not remembering correctly?

Yes but with a £5m loan fee. Basically his worth. 

[Dman]

4 minutes ago, trousers said:

Random thought:

Ché says to Saints: "Ok, I'll sign the new improved 3 year deal on the table but on the condition you loan me out to a Premier League team for the first year and then I'll come back to Saints next season if/when we're promoted"

Would that make any sense?

A loan just makes no sense to us at all. His record / performance in the PL is questionable, at best, if we go up, do we need him as much as we need him now? imo no. 

[verlaine1979]

Stewart scores goals with both feet, which would be an immediate upgrade on Che. Based on that video, he's not that great one-on-one, as he hit the keeper on both occasions.

[CSA96]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

Random thought:

Ché says to Saints: "Ok, I'll sign the new improved 3 year deal on the table but on the condition you loan me out to a Premier League team for the first year and then I'll come back to Saints next season if/when we're promoted"

Would that make any sense?

Probably not. More likely Wolves are in a bind with FFP (given their chairman's public comments) and have said 'what if he signs an extension until 2025 with you so you don't lose him on a free next year, and if we stay up, we'll give you the asking price. If we go down, you can still sell him elsewhere'

This theory also works on the basis that Ché has basically told us he's not interested in hanging about and playing any more games in the Championship.

[Dman]

1 minute ago, Bit of a plonker said:

Didn’t we loan Cedric to Arsenal until the end of his contract or am I not remembering correctly?

Cedric was / is shit though. Adams would play a key part in us getting promoted. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Bit of a plonker said:

Didn’t we loan Cedric to Arsenal until the end of his contract or am I not remembering correctly?

yeah but we got something like a £3m loan fee for the six months he had left. So it was a good deal really something something amortiaisation, something something 

[CSA96]

 

[Chez]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

Random thought:

Ché says to Saints: "Ok, I'll sign the new improved 3 year deal on the table but on the condition you loan me out to a Premier League team for the first year and then I'll come back to Saints next season if/when we're promoted"

No chance. He becomes a free agent next summer - and that means no transfer fee for a Prem side and bigger wages for him. He ain't jeopardizing that with a contract with a Championship side that will be less appealing than the ones he turned down while we were in the Prem. 

The only reason he signs a new deal with us is if zero prem sides have shown any interest in signing him this summer. Pretty sure Everton have, so he will be confident iof getting a deal next year when the fee required is £0.

[Turkish]

It's trading time!!

[SotonianWill]

1 minute ago, CSA96 said:

 

Lovely stuff if Lavia type price inflation is to come between Bayern and BVB 

[St. Neil]

2 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Lovely stuff if Lavia type price inflation is to come between Bayern and BVB 

Think he has a release clause, so no bidding war.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

Not sure if this has already been posted, but one of the neutral Football League accounts posted this about an hour back -

 

Sounds like a Ricky Lambert type centre forward.

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

 

I am hoping all this ABK movement/offer etc. happened earlier in the week/last week (with reporters now catching up with these stories - hence us making bids for Woods and possibly THB) and the deal is pretty much done. It feels bloody late in the day for Bayern to join the party and start making bids (although obviously welcome).

I think we are going to get what we want for him and not be pressured to loan him out for buttons. 

[Chez]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Sounds like a Ricky Lambert type centre forward.

Maybe, but Ricky scored goals from everywhere - he struck the ball beautifully. This fella is more of a tap in merchant. Ricky didn't play on the shoulder or make runs through leaving him one on one with keepers. I don't see the similarities myself. If he scores a similar number of goals, we will be golden. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, CSA96 said:

Wonder if this is a way of us getting Everton to bridge to our valuation on Sulemana?

 

I guess we'll sign Bobby Ball to partner him - should be a good double act.

[Master Bates]

The Championship equivalent of signing Kevin Keegan I guess.

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, St. Neil said:

Think he has a release clause, so no bidding war.

Possibly. What's the amount? The reports seem a little unsure.

Dortmund clearly haven't activated it, so a bidding war will increase the figure being offered. I assume we'll accept if the total amount gets close to it.