Will Still

[Weston Super Saint]

14 hours ago, DT said:

Does anyone think the board will grow a pair and sack the useless sham of a coach?

Didn't he appoint that lady last year to take control of things?  Apologies can't remember her name as I guess she hasn't made much of an impact!

 

[Osvaldorama]

8 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I’m frustrated he stuck with five at the back, and I’ve said multiple times he doesn’t help himself by playing players out of position and starting matches in defensive formations. That part is on him massively. 

The argument is that we’ve created more than enough chances along the way and he’s been let down by poor recruitment in key positions, as demonstrated - defensively and with a goalkeeper, and a striker.

Do I think he’ll turn it around? Honestly I’m not sure.
I want it to work but Christ he needs to go out and attack a game with an attacking formation.

That argument about players messing it up worked before this weekend, imo. 

But we were just schooled by the worst team in the league. They haven’t won a home game in months, yet they probably should have won by more. For me that says we have even bigger issues than just players missing chances. 

Personally I honestly really, really don’t want to change manager again, as I’m sick of it and we are starting to look ridiculous. 

However, that is literally the only reason I can think of to keep him currently. Everything else about his tenure so far is a disaster. 
 

[Harry_SFC]

3 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

That argument about players messing it up worked before this weekend, imo. 

But we were just schooled by the worst team in the league. They haven’t won a home game in months, yet they probably should have won by more. For me that says we have even bigger issues than just players missing chances. 

Personally I honestly really, really don’t want to change manager again, as I’m sick of it and we are starting to look ridiculous. 

However, that is literally the only reason I can think of to keep him currently. Everything else about his tenure so far is a disaster. 
 

Agreed. It's becoming tiresome chopping and changing but it's SR's own fault because their appointments have been shambolic. I think they will give him until the next international break at least but I can't see him sorting this mess out because I'm not sure he knows how to. 

[Bob60]

9 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I’m frustrated he stuck with five at the back, and I’ve said multiple times he doesn’t help himself by playing players out of position and starting matches in defensive formations. That part is on him massively. 

The argument is that we’ve created more than enough chances along the way and he’s been let down by poor recruitment in key positions, as demonstrated - defensively and with a goalkeeper, and a striker.

Do I think he’ll turn it around? Honestly I’m not sure.
I want it to work but Christ he needs to go out and attack a game with an attacking formation.

I take some of your points and of course the players must take a lot of the blame, but as well as not scoring we continue to concede stupid goals and have the mentality of a jellyfish. Probably the worse thing for us is taking the lead, we just then fall apart. 

So what part of that is the manager responsible for if not attack, defence or mentality?

Also I get the arguement about not changing and a manager needs time to learn and grow but had anyone seen any evidence that he is learning, I think he is getting worse. 

Finally I think the problems are higher up but realistically we can't change that or the players so the only realistic change is the manager.

[Cabrone]

He's had enough time now and all the evidence says it hasn't worked. No offence WS but I think your time is up.

Trouble is SR would only go and appoint another unproven manager who is likely to see us descend even further.

I wanted Sean Dyche last season, if we'd have gone all out to get him who knows we might have bagged him and would be in a different place now.

What have they got against hiring a decent proven manager?

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, Cabrone said:

He's had enough time now and all the evidence says it hasn't worked. No offence WS but I think your time is up.

Trouble is SR would only go and appoint another unproven manager who is likely to see us descend even further.

I wanted Sean Dyche last season, if we'd have gone all out to get him who knows we might have bagged him and would be in a different place now.

What have they got against hiring a decent proven manager?

Dyche is such a poor suggestion. Maybe he is the type of manager we need (I don't agree personally, I think we need to go back to that "red bull" high-press style), but regardless of that, there is absolutely no way Dyche would have taken us over last season and done any better than Juric or Still has. 

We simply do not have the squad for a manager such as Dyche, big sam etc. 

[benjii]

11 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Agree with this

Obviously Still isn't responsible for every error. And for every manager in history who has done a bad job you can find a reel of players making mistakes. This really isn't the point.

For me, the question is, putting aside misses: 

- after a quarter of a season, do we look good? No.

- how many matches have we dominated and been clearly the better side? Maybe 2? 

- how many matches have we looked comfortable and won comfortably? Zero.

- are we playing entertaining football and using the expensive attacked talent we have? Not really.

- is there obvious progression in line with a plan, such as you can accept a few bumps in the road as you can see the end in sight? No, not really.

- is it reasonable to expect a manager with our squad to be doing far, FAR, better? Yes, definitely. 

[Lighthouse]

11 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Agree with this

That video is very good evidence of why we're sixth instead of fighting for the top two.

 

 

 

We aren't sixth though, are we?

[Dman]

5 minutes ago, benjii said:

Obviously Still isn't responsible for every error. And for every manager in history who has done a bad job you can find a reel of players making mistakes. This really isn't the point.

For me, the question is, putting aside misses: 

- after a quarter of a season, do we look good? No.

- how many matches have we dominated and been clearly the better side? Maybe 2? 

- how many matches have we looked comfortable and won comfortably? Zero.

- are we playing entertaining football and using the expensive attacked talent we have? Not really.

- is there obvious progression in line with a plan, such as you can accept a few bumps in the road as you can see the end in sight? No, not really.

- is it reasonable to expect a manager with our squad to be doing far, FAR, better? Yes, definitely. 

Exactly.

Its easy to highlight 1 or 2 chances a game and assume a striker should score every single one of them (not even Haaland would do that), but that doesn't highlight the fact the 95% of those games has been completely insufferable to watch. 

[AlexLaw76]

The Total Saints Podcast put a great deal of the blame on the players.

we have many new players, both on the pitch and on the bench, did the come with a shit attitude?

[Paul Chuckle]

5 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That video is very good evidence of why we're sixth instead of fighting for the top two.

 

 

 

We aren't sixth though, are we?

Would be interesting to see a video of all the misses against us as well to balance things out, as I'm sure from memory Wrexham and Sheffield Utd missed big chances against us.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Paul Chuckle said:

Would be interesting to see a video of all the misses against us as well to balance things out, as I'm sure from memory Wrexham and Sheffield Utd missed big chances against us.

Pompey were the better side also

[Saint NL]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

why we're sixth instead of fighting for the top two.

 

 

 

We aren't sixth though, are we?

Even better than that, we're 5th.

 

 

 

From bottom.

[skintsaint]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Pompey were the better side also

First half they were, but don't remember them missing any sitters.

[Forester]

No wish to repeat prior post but I would not be pulling trigger yet as we risk becoming a figure of fun club a la Watford, and we have played just 12 games.  We need to see strong improvement between now and the halfway mark, when I think it is more credible to make a change if nothing gets better.

On the wider “club in chaos” point, over the last few years I agree most SR decisions have been poor and they retain responsibility for this mess.  However I don’t think things are quite so helpless as some make out right now.  Here are reasons not to reach for the pistol and whiskey (as hard as Saints make it!)

- while there are some poor signings (Downs) thee are several players who have shown early signs of being really good acquisitions, specifically Jelert, Jander and Scienza.  In one window under Spors that isn’t tragic, but a clear mistake made in striker department. Along with experienced but currently under performing players in the squad that is the bones of a good side, but we have really only seen about 180 mins of good football so far.

- if Spors goes (and it will be fascinating to understand what his contract says re release clause) we now have a head of recruitment who has been here for months and would have primary responsibility for lining up potential signings.  Its then over to an exec to actually negotiate the terms.  That isn’t end of the world.

- what is more tricky is if Still needs sacking (see above) then who makes that decision is absence of Spors and who appoints?  This may play in Still’s favour to be given more time

[Sir Ralph]

22 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That video is very good evidence of why we're sixth instead of fighting for the top two.

 

 

 

We aren't sixth though, are we?

When you watch this you have to wonder. The players have more to answer for than Still I think . Still job to hold them accountable

[Give it to Ron]

32 minutes ago, Forester said:

No wish to repeat prior post but I would not be pulling trigger yet as we risk becoming a figure of fun club a la Watford, and we have played just 12 games.  We need to see strong improvement between now and the halfway mark, when I think it is more credible to make a change if nothing gets better.

On the wider “club in chaos” point, over the last few years I agree most SR decisions have been poor and they retain responsibility for this mess.  However I don’t think things are quite so helpless as some make out right now.  Here are reasons not to reach for the pistol and whiskey (as hard as Saints make it!)

- while there are some poor signings (Downs) thee are several players who have shown early signs of being really good acquisitions, specifically Jelert, Jander and Scienza.  In one window under Spors that isn’t tragic, but a clear mistake made in striker department. Along with experienced but currently under performing players in the squad that is the bones of a good side, but we have really only seen about 180 mins of good football so far.

- if Spors goes (and it will be fascinating to understand what his contract says re release clause) we now have a head of recruitment who has been here for months and would have primary responsibility for lining up potential signings.  Its then over to an exec to actually negotiate the terms.  That isn’t end of the world.

- what is more tricky is if Still needs sacking (see above) then who makes that decision is absence of Spors and who appoints?  This may play in Still’s favour to be given more time

Fair comment - I know you go to aways and games like me so what games has Still shown any tactical nous, flexibility or a decent sub which considering our squad is bad?

We are only like Watford because we have as bad ownership like them if SR actually recruited well we wouldn’t be.

its all my fault I wanted Puel gone blame me 🙂

[Baird of the land]

Can't believe the clown hasn't been sacked yet. Guess they are waiting for him to actually put us in the relegation zone.

[tdmickey3]

43 minutes ago, Forester said:

No wish to repeat prior post but I would not be pulling trigger yet as we risk becoming a figure of fun club a la Watford, and we have played just 12 games.  We need to see strong improvement between now and the halfway mark, when I think it is more credible to make a change if nothing gets better.

On the wider “club in chaos” point, over the last few years I agree most SR decisions have been poor and they retain responsibility for this mess.  However I don’t think things are quite so helpless as some make out right now.  Here are reasons not to reach for the pistol and whiskey (as hard as Saints make it!)

- while there are some poor signings (Downs) thee are several players who have shown early signs of being really good acquisitions, specifically Jelert, Jander and Scienza.  In one window under Spors that isn’t tragic, but a clear mistake made in striker department. Along with experienced but currently under performing players in the squad that is the bones of a good side, but we have really only seen about 180 mins of good football so far.

- if Spors goes (and it will be fascinating to understand what his contract says re release clause) we now have a head of recruitment who has been here for months and would have primary responsibility for lining up potential signings.  Its then over to an exec to actually negotiate the terms.  That isn’t end of the world.

- what is more tricky is if Still needs sacking (see above) then who makes that decision is absence of Spors and who appoints?  This may play in Still’s favour to be given more time

We already are absolute laughing stock..

[tdmickey3]

18 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Can't believe the clown hasn't been sacked yet. Guess they are waiting for him to actually put us in the relegation zone.

After weekend then?

[Mr X]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

Obviously Still isn't responsible for every error. And for every manager in history who has done a bad job you can find a reel of players making mistakes. This really isn't the point.

For me, the question is, putting aside misses: 

- after a quarter of a season, do we look good? No.

- how many matches have we dominated and been clearly the better side? Maybe 2? 

- how many matches have we looked comfortable and won comfortably? Zero.

- are we playing entertaining football and using the expensive attacked talent we have? Not really.

- is there obvious progression in line with a plan, such as you can accept a few bumps in the road as you can see the end in sight? No, not really.

- is it reasonable to expect a manager with our squad to be doing far, FAR, better? Yes, definitely. 

This sums it up really... His time is up but we all know SRs replacement would be even worse so what's the point? Till SR decide they are done with their plaything the mess and pain goes on! 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I keep reading the line "we don't want to become another Watford" I get it but........but right now I would swop places with them in the league.