New Manager Debate

[danjosaint]

Bring in Xavi so he can meet his hero Le Tiss and we can play proper tiki taka football 

[Saint86]

Challinor, Carrick, Robins... selles... selles jr

who will rasmus pick?

Edited 10 hours ago by Saint86

[CSA96]

There's a few points on which you could argue Carrick makes a lot of sense:

+ Has experience of this division and English football
+ Took over Boro when they were in the shit mid-season and turned it around, led them to the playoffs
+ He has coached Azaz and Archer before and got a tune out of them, both performed to a high level with him
+ He's out of work, available immediately and won't cost us compensation
+ He has the playing career/medals to deal with any of our petty fuckers who want to question him
+ Has a good network within the game, seems well-respected, has worked with younger players/loanees etc
+ He'll play the system that suits the players, he prefers a 4-2-3-1

I think at this stage from the names I would consider realistic options, he is probably my favourite

So it won't be him

Edited 10 hours ago by CSA96

[CSA96]

 

[Saint NL]

Can the new manager get three (3) wins and jump into second place on this shitlist?

Edited 10 hours ago by Saint NL

[Killers Knee]

Neil Warnock, you know it makes sense

[Saint86]

Carrick and Chally are the two best picks for me. Free or cheap compensation, and manager

27 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Can the new manager get three (3) wins and jump into second place on this shitlist?

That is absolutely appalling.

[Saint86]

41 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

 

Sounds like he is off to Wolves.

[AlexLaw76]

8 hours ago, Galway saint said:

I am happy to predict that the new manager will be someone we have never heard of, has never managed in England before and will sacked before  the end of the season 

This is not your first time is it, I can tell

🤣

[AlexLaw76]

For me,

Carrick, Robbins (little chance), and if he fancies (which I doubt) Ralph 

Gerrard maybe.

[Wade Garrett]

Carrick or Gerrard for me.  Both would have the players respect straight away and wouldn’t take any nonsense from them.

[ant]

Done some reading around why Middleborough let Carrick go and it seems fan opinion was he was overly wedded to a possession-based system that didn't frequently enough convert into points.

Whereas the board couldn't get over the regression of league positions, and didn't feel they had the assurances that things would change/progress.

In 2024-25 they'd budgeted for promotion, so finishing 10th (when the points threshold for the playoffs was the lowest for a decade) wasn't deemed acceptable. 

Aside from any virtues of Rob Edwards, I guess this in part accounts for why they're flying high at the moment, i.e. the squad building was already well under way.

(As an aside, it's worth noting that they haven't really spent a fortune - and how heavily they lean on loans...)

In mitigation, it sounds like there was a general falling out in the January 2025 window over transfer targets, with Carrick being overruled. Not sure whether that speaks for or against his strength of will and/or character.

Perhaps a couple of red flags. Granted, this doesn't fully account for the competency/incompetency of the Boro board. But then look at what you have to work with for us... 🤦‍♂️

[Gloucester Saint]

7 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Blackmore wouldnt know.

Could be an obvious option though with his Championship experience, would be respected by the players and most importantly is available now. 

Somebody else actively looking a job and ticks some of those boxes is Steven Gerrard. Some of our fans might not like it, but beggars cant be choosers and hes coached much bigger teams than us

If the tax issues were resolvable I’d be fine with Gerrard as long as Michael Beale joined him. Carrick fine as well.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

Challinor is often mentioned. So far, he's managed Flyde, Hartlepool and Stockport. Don't deny he's done a great job at Stockport but taking him on would represent quite a risk.

Need someone who is strong but also diplomatic. He'll need to gain Solak's trust to push aside the other morons in SR that run the club by statistics and on the basis of trading players.

 

[Dr Who?]

6 hours ago, Killers Knee said:

Neil Warnock, you know it makes sense

He is happy in his role at Torquay. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

14 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Challinor is often mentioned. So far, he's managed Flyde, Hartlepool and Stockport. Don't deny he's done a great job at Stockport but taking him on would represent quite a risk.

Need someone who is strong but also diplomatic. He'll need to gain Solak's trust to push aside the other morons in SR that run the club by statistics and on the basis of trading players.

 

If Saints went out to get a manager from a lower league they’d be riots. Can you imagine? 🤣

Michael Carrick seems the best of a pretty average and available bunch.

But again, lives up north. You have to take into account you have some managers who are quite happy to upsticks and move and some that still want the right balance.

[saint michael]

41 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If the tax issues were resolvable I’d be fine with Gerrard as long as Michael Beale joined him. Carrick fine as well.

Gerrard and Beale certainly need each other and neither were good without the other. Not sure why they split other than Beale May have wanted a mgr role which of course he had a couple. As you say both together may work and certainly are football men. 
 

Carrick seems to carry the baggage someone mentioned above about style and being wedded to it so worry there it’s more of Martin phase 2. Guess question is how much of that is true and how much he learned. 

Edited 3 hours ago by saint michael

[benjii]

46 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If the tax issues were resolvable I’d be fine with Gerrard as long as Michael Beale joined him. Carrick fine as well.

We're more likely to appoint Ian Beale.

[saint michael]

Any new mgr needs to talk with the supporters or we are going to go around the same old test of the mgr finding out the shit that we already know 

[sambosa75]

Still surprises me John Terry has never been given a crack at management.  One of the best and most decorated Premier League centre backs and captains of all time must have something to offer in management.

[ally_uk]

Get Martin back short term deal steady the ship and review. 

[WALK DMC]

Michael Carrick seems to be getting a load of support here. His managerial career has been pretty mediocre with 8th and 10th position finishes in his last two seasons in the Championship and a reputation for possession based football. I feel that we need a bigger character to transform the club and address the malaise of the last few years. 

Steven Gerrard did brilliantly at Rangers, but was unsuccessful at Villa and Saudi, so I'd be nervous about appointing him. 

If Brendon Rogers could be persuaded to join, I think that he'd be the right sort of character to sort things out and has a proven pedigree. He is unlikeable, but I'd actually see that as a positive (at least at the moment), as I think we need a strong, focused individual who will upset the applecart and get us out of this permanent rut that we seem to have been living in. 

In my view, Carrick would steady the ship, but wouldn't transform. Rogers could get us to the Premier league and stay there but would probably leave if things weren't too his liking or another opportunity was wafted in front of him. Gerrard is somewhere in the middle - it could work out and he could turn things around, but I certainly wouldn't be filled with confidence. 

None of the above are ideal, mid-season appointments are always fraught with danger as the pool of available and competent managers is always limited. Let's just hope that Sports Republic get it right......

[Tamesaint]

If we win either of our next 2 matches I fear that Tendo will be given until the end of the season. Selles mark 2. 

[Give it to Ron]

3 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

If we win either of our next 2 matches I fear that Tendo will be given until the end of the season. Selles mark 2. 

We haven’t looked like winning one so he will be a miracle worker if he does 

[leesaint88]

8 hours ago, Killers Knee said:

Neil Warnock, you know it makes sense

He's very happy in the west country acting as an advisor to Torquay. 

[trousers]

41 minutes ago, sambosa75 said:

Still surprises me John Terry has never been given a crack at management.  One of the best and most decorated Premier League centre backs and captains of all time must have something to offer in management.

Managers aren't allowed to wear a full team strip, so a bit of a non-starter

[leesaint88]

20 minutes ago, WALK DMC said:

Michael Carrick seems to be getting a load of support here. His managerial career has been pretty mediocre with 8th and 10th position finishes in his last two seasons in the Championship and a reputation for possession based football. I feel that we need a bigger character to transform the club and address the malaise of the last few years. 

Steven Gerrard did brilliantly at Rangers, but was unsuccessful at Villa and Saudi, so I'd be nervous about appointing him. 

If Brendon Rogers could be persuaded to join, I think that he'd be the right sort of character to sort things out and has a proven pedigree. He is unlikeable, but I'd actually see that as a positive (at least at the moment), as I think we need a strong, focused individual who will upset the applecart and get us out of this permanent rut that we seem to have been living in. 

In my view, Carrick would steady the ship, but wouldn't transform. Rogers could get us to the Premier league and stay there but would probably leave if things weren't too his liking or another opportunity was wafted in front of him. Gerrard is somewhere in the middle - it could work out and he could turn things around, but I certainly wouldn't be filled with confidence. 

None of the above are ideal, mid-season appointments are always fraught with danger as the pool of available and competent managers is always limited. Let's just hope that Sports Republic get it right......

Personally I can't see Rogers even entertaining a gig at a championship club, I think we're way below him and I think he'll be eyeing up a top flight job.

Gerrard, I think would be the name that could potentially put certain ego's in their place but I think it's been mentioned here before his current tax status is a little iffy after Saudi.

I think it'll be Carrick, maybe a shorter deal with performance based extension.

[chivvy]

Rodgers or Carrick for me..

Carrick hasn't actually failed anywhere he just didn't succeed either .  Whoever comes in has to command respect.  We also need to get rid of the clicky group of players that seem to run this dressing room but don't turn up on the pitch.  Which may take longer than the January window.

Edited 2 hours ago by chivvy

[Sir Ralph]

It needs someone who is going to stamp their authority on this group of mentally weak and pathetic players. If they dont want to do what the manager says then freeze them out. No more putting arms around shoulders. Man up and play or spend the year in the U21s. On the Total Saints Podcasts they used the word 'cowards' for the players and that is what they are.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Baird of the land]

very out on gerrard. Badly exposed at villa and unfair or not his success at rangers has been attributed somewhat to his assistant.

My gut reaction to carrick was a no. Looking at his record, his win % was pretty solid though. So that softened that.

Adkin’s is still the only name that would have that instant feel good factor, even if it might not end up working.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

We need Leeds to lose a couple more games and they'll fire Farke. Knowing our luck we'll appoint someone on Friday and Farke will get the sack on Saturday. 

Rodgers would be perfect but won't come to a Championship club and could never deal with our board.
His overall win rate is 53%. He's only ever got a win rate of less than 40% at one club, Reading. Watford 42%, Swansea 45%, Liverpool 50%, Celtic 70%, Leicester 45%, Celtic 67%. 

Gerrard. His time at Villa was underwhelming. He did well at Rangers but it's a league with only 2 teams in it. You'd have to be a complete fuckwit to make a mess of that job. 😉😂
His 55% overall win rate is only helped by his 64% at Rangers. Villa 32.5 and Al-Ettifaq 39% isn't great.

Carrick would be ok, I think. Did well at Utd and was perhaps harshly treated when they brought in RR. He probably felt that he should've been given a longer spell in charge. He took Boro from 21st to the play offs, which was good going. Was he to blame for two average seasons after that? The board obviously felt so. FWIW, I don't think Edwards will take them up.
46% win rate is better than some of the idiots we've appointed in the past. 

Ralph coming back under SR? I'm not sure, but stranger things have happened.
Achieved a 34% win rate in his last spell at Saints.

Tonda would just be another Selles type appointment. Again, too young and not enough experience.

If they re-appoint Martin then I'm done.
His best win rate was at Saints, 45%. Overall it's 38%.

Not sure there's any other candidates at the moment. Any appointment carries a degree of uncertainly but we really need to air on the side of caution this time. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Is there anything to read into the sacking of the backroom staff? Does it suggest we have somebody lined up who wants to bring their own staff or is it simply they were all crap

[leesaint88]

1 minute ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

Is there anything to read into the sacking of the backroom staff? Does it suggest we have somebody lined up who wants to bring their own staff or is it simply they were all crap

It's interesting who's stayed. Trollope and Lallana, I'm not sure whether that's because the club needed some experience still. Carl Martin leaving is a big surprise though, he's been at the club a long time...

[Tamesaint]

19 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

We haven’t looked like winning one so he will be a miracle worker if he does 

What? Even when we were 1 up, only had 15 mins left and had led for an hour in the match before last?? 

[skintsaint]

32 minutes ago, trousers said:

Managers aren't allowed to wear a full team strip, so a bit of a non-starter

How do player managers get around this rule?

[Give it to Ron]

6 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

What? Even when we were 1 up, only had 15 mins left and had led for an hour in the match before last?? 

Yes when I saw the subs

[RedWillie]

Get the B'mth management team to come over to a proper city, stadium and fan base.

 

 

 

No chance 😀

 

Edited 1 hour ago by RedWillie

[Saint Scott]

41 minutes ago, chivvy said:

Rodgers or Carrick for me..

Carrick hasn't actually failed anywhere he just didn't succeed either .  Whoever comes in has to command respect.  We also need to get rid of the clicky group of players that seem to run this dressing room but don't turn up on the pitch.  Which may take longer than the January window.

I'd be happy with either Rodgers or Carrick.

I wonder if Brendan would like to be closer to his son Anton, currently at Basingstoke 

[Sheaf Saint]

8 hours ago, Saint86 said:

That is absolutely appalling.

It's also incorrect. Selles got two wins that I can remember - Chelsea and Leicester.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sheaf Saint

[trousers]

I think this has already been mentioned but anyone else think it's a bit too coincidental that Still was sacked so soon after the Wolves manager? In other words, are both clubs targeting the same manager(s) so we had to act fast? (Well, fast for the usual ditherers at Sport Republic). Which probably means either Carrick or O'Neil which, I believe, are the two primary candidates linked with the Molineux job...?

Edited 1 hour ago by trousers

[Sheaf Saint]

28 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

What? Even when we were 1 up, only had 15 mins left and had led for an hour in the match before last?? 

We never actually looked like winning that game. It was as predictable as night following day that we would gift Blackburn a goal at some point.

[skintsaint]

5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

It's also incorrect. Selles got two wins that I can remember - Chelsea and Leicester.

Chelsea he was only temp in charge though, so maybe doesn't count towards the permanent manager stats thingy. But technically you are right he did get two PL wins.

[Dr Who?]

11 minutes ago, trousers said:

I think this has already been mentioned but anyone else think it's a bit too coincidental that Still was sacked so soon after the Wolves manager? In other words, are both clubs targeting the same manager(s) so we had to act fast? (Well, fast for the usual ditherers at Sport Republic). Which probably means either Carrick or O'Neil which, I believe, are the two primary candidates linked with the Molineux job...?

I think Wolves would win this one 1 on 1

[Sheaf Saint]

I think we can forget about Challinor. I've been following Stockport avidly this season and, while I think he would potentially be an excellent appointment for us, he's far too no-nonsense and straight talking for any partnership with SR to ever work. And I very much doubt he would be interested in relocating down South anyway, as aside from two years managing Hartlepool he's spent his entire career in and around the North West. 

Not happening. Move on.

[Saint Matty 76]

I think it'll be Carrick. I seem to remember Carrick was ultimately fired because Middlesbrough stagnated and played boring football.

Don't really think there's a appointment available which is going to be overly exciting. 

[SaintLondon]

Of all the names mentioned, I’d still try to bring Ralph back - not out of misty-eyed nostalgia, and not because I think he’d necessarily say yes, but because he’s the best of the realistic options and a reminder that the grass isn’t always greener. Under Ralph we were a lower mid-table Premier League side, and he already knows the club, the facilities and the area; there’d be no settling-in period - he could get straight to work.

Would he want it? Probably not. But his presence could help tempt leaders back in January - players like Romeu or JWP - to steady the ship. I know bringing back the old guard can look emotion-led, but those three genuinely care about the club and the supporters, and they might be exactly the personalities to grab this dressing room and demand standards.

As Glen said on TSP last night, too few in this squad seem to care - they say they do, but it doesn’t show. We need people in that room who can get a tune out of what we have now. We’re not getting promoted (and honestly, that is a blessing). The priority is to stabilise, put together a positive second half of the season, then move players on, reset the culture, and start again with balanced, settled leadership in place.

[Saint86]

Coming back to it. I don't think it's too impossible that it may be Ralph. We've sacked the manager just a week after he was in the stands at city, and yes I know he was supposedly not there for us, but it's a long old way to go to see an old friend - only to spend your evening watching the game. In essence, I'm saying it shows he still retains a soft spot for saints... He's also available, he knows and loves the club, he's worked with spors historically, and he's got a history of being promoted (in the German leagues). He'll also know the culture of the recent German players and the red bulls type setup, and he won't take any shit from players like Downes, thb, Stephens etc.

Edited 48 minutes ago by Saint86

[Ted Bates Statue]

9 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Challinor, Carrick, Robins... selles... selles jr

who will rasmus pick?

According to @Pilchards Ankerson has always been keen on Carrick, or at least he was a couple of years ago when we were looking to replace Nathan Jones. 

Wonder if that will put everyone here off Carrick now 🤣

[saintant]

2 hours ago, saint michael said:

Gerrard and Beale certainly need each other and neither were good without the other. Not sure why they split other than Beale May have wanted a mgr role which of course he had a couple. As you say both together may work and certainly are football men. 
 

Carrick seems to carry the baggage someone mentioned above about style and being wedded to it so worry there it’s more of Martin phase 2. Guess question is how much of that is true and how much he learned. 

There won't be a single manager available who doesn't carry baggage from previous failures. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, WALK DMC said:

Michael Carrick seems to be getting a load of support here. His managerial career has been pretty mediocre with 8th and 10th position finishes in his last two seasons in the Championship and a reputation for possession based football. I feel that we need a bigger character to transform the club and address the malaise of the last few years. 

Steven Gerrard did brilliantly at Rangers, but was unsuccessful at Villa and Saudi, so I'd be nervous about appointing him. 

If Brendon Rogers could be persuaded to join, I think that he'd be the right sort of character to sort things out and has a proven pedigree. He is unlikeable, but I'd actually see that as a positive (at least at the moment), as I think we need a strong, focused individual who will upset the applecart and get us out of this permanent rut that we seem to have been living in. 

In my view, Carrick would steady the ship, but wouldn't transform. Rogers could get us to the Premier league and stay there but would probably leave if things weren't too his liking or another opportunity was wafted in front of him. Gerrard is somewhere in the middle - it could work out and he could turn things around, but I certainly wouldn't be filled with confidence. 

None of the above are ideal, mid-season appointments are always fraught with danger as the pool of available and competent managers is always limited. Let's just hope that Sports Republic get it right......

🙂