James Ward-Prowse

[harvey]

Tonight was an example off why I don't rate him. He's not a captain or leader, too safe and too many sideways and back passes.....he never turns on his heals and drives forward, which is what we've needed for so many games this season.

Good luck being a bench warmer for another premier league club now we're down.

[Dragon_man]

8 hours ago, harvey said:

Tonight was an example off why I don't rate him. He's not a captain or leader, too safe and too many sideways and back passes.....he never turns on his heals and drives forward, which is what we've needed for so many games this season.

Good luck being a bench warmer for another premier league club now we're down.

Indeed. He'll get found out at a top 6 club and be a bench warmer. 

Terrific loyalty, fitness and service. Mid to lower premiership player IMO.

Our 'reset' in the championship needs a different leader.

 

 

Edited 9 May, 2023 by Dragon_man

[Lee On Solent Saint]

11 minutes ago, Dragon_man said:

Indeed. He'll get found out at a top 6 club and be a bench warmer. 

Terrific loyalty, fitness and service. Mid to lower premiership player IMO.

Our 'reset' in the championship need a different leader.

 

 

Probably end up like Phillips at City.

[qwertyell]

31 minutes ago, harvey said:

Tonight was an example off why I don't rate him. He's not a captain or leader, too safe and too many sideways and back passes.....he never turns on his heals and drives forward, which is what we've needed for so many games this season.

Good luck being a bench warmer for another premier league club now we're down.

Harry Winks, with free kicks.

Prowse's skillset from open play is ten-a-penny. We'll miss his set pieces, but there's nothing remotely remarkable about the rest of his game that couldn't be found in a hundred midfielders around Europe.

[beatlesaint]

The fact he’s considered our best player and has been for the past couple of seasons only goes to highlight just how far the rest of the team/squad has fallen.

Take away the set pieces and what is he? There was a 10-15 min spell in the second half last night when we were really on top that he almost forgot himself and was driving forward. Didn’t last long however.

Will be fascinating to see which clubs come in for him. If it’s Newcastle better buy some thermals James, it’ll be cold sat on the bench up there. 

Edited 9 May, 2023 by beatlesaint

[SotonianWill]

6 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

The fact he’s considered our best player and has been for the past couple of seasons only goes to highlight just how far the rest of the team/squad has fallen.

Take away the set pieces and what is he? There was a 10-15 min spell in the second half last night when we were really on top that he almost forgot himself and was driving forward. Didn’t last long however.

Will be fascinating to see which clubs come in for him. If it’s Newcastle better buy some thermals James, it’ll be cold sat on the bench up there. 

doesn’t help that our fans mostly on twatter post things such as 

“going to be sad seeing him in another shirt”

”he deserves better”

and that other wally who posted a few weeks ago “we’ve let jwp down”

Im sick of how this fanbase is full of weirdos, feels like it’s the JWP dictatorship and all other people have been brainwashed into thinking he’s a god. he’s shite in open play and contributes to the boring side to side back round the defence passing which we need to dispose of next season. 

[obelisk]

JWP's best performances this season seemed to be when he was played further forward by Jones. I'd expect other coaches will have noticed that even if Selles didn't.

[Saint NL]

8 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Probably end up like Phillips at City.

Rich?

 

😥

[Dan Johnson]

for all his excellent commitment over the years, I wont be too disappointed when he leaves. 

I really feel like the time has come for him to move on, for both parties sake.

Having Lavia in the midfield this season and watching Harrison Reed yesterday against Leicester has really highlighted just how passive Ward-Prowse can be in comparison, we are sooo pedestrian in possession and Ward Prowse (and Hojberg when he was here) was a massive part of that.

I think a move will do him good, challenge him and he'll go on and be a better player. We can get midfielders in who will change our style of play, use the ball quicker and turn defence into attack much much quicker, even if they're not as good technically.

Edited 9 May, 2023 by Dan Johnson

[skintsaint]

12 minutes ago, obelisk said:

JWP's best performances this season seemed to be when he was played further forward by Jones. I'd expect other coaches will have noticed that even if Selles didn't.

Couple of games playing more advanced seemed a good position for him. Then he was whacked back in a defensive mid role and goes back to type.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

9 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Rich?

 

😥

I doubt he is short of a few quid already 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

doesn’t help that our fans mostly on twatter post things such as 

“going to be sad seeing him in another shirt”

”he deserves better”

and that other wally who posted a few weeks ago “we’ve let jwp down”

Im sick of how this fanbase is full of weirdos, feels like it’s the JWP dictatorship and all other people have been brainwashed into thinking he’s a god. he’s shite in open play and contributes to the boring side to side back round the defence passing which we need to dispose of next season. 

It’s all the Twitter teens and young adults. There’s a bracket of people that are fucking embarrassing the fact they’re associated with the club.

[SotonianWill]

13 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

It’s all the Twitter teens and young adults. There’s a bracket of people that are fucking embarrassing the fact they’re associated with the club.

A lot of them seem to come from the western region. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

A lot of them seem to come from the western region. 

My timeline unfortunately is full of fuckwits that I don’t follow, but irritatingly pop up due to the Saints interest; but some of the stuff they spout, just delusional.

[Saint-Michael]

one trick pony

[Osvaldorama]

14 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

doesn’t help that our fans mostly on twatter post things such as 

“going to be sad seeing him in another shirt”

”he deserves better”

and that other wally who posted a few weeks ago “we’ve let jwp down”

Im sick of how this fanbase is full of weirdos, feels like it’s the JWP dictatorship and all other people have been brainwashed into thinking he’s a god. he’s shite in open play and contributes to the boring side to side back round the defence passing which we need to dispose of next season. 

The only Wally’s in our fan base are those like you that call the club captain “shite”.  
 

He is clearly not shite, he is our best player by almost every metric and a huge part of the club. Will be sad to see him go.

Why do you and a few others feel the need to bad mouth the one of the only good, committed players we have? Utter morons 

[AndyRWatson]

Hopefully he matches Beckhams free kick record before he goes, would hate to see him achieve that after starting with a new club

[Harry_SFC]

I will be sad to see him go. His dead ball ability is world class and he has one hell of an engine on him. He puts in 100% every week and that's more than can be said for a number of our other players. 

Having said that I don't think he will be a massive loss to the team. As has already been mentioned, in possession he slows us down way too much and really lacks that spark/dynamism to get the team going.

[Smirking_Saint]

On 03/05/2023 at 18:37, cloggy saint said:

Can't imagine why anyone would pay more than about £30m.

He is a more than capable No.8/6 hybrid that more or less guarantees you 4-6 goals a season… just him being on the pitch means you get a bit more freedom infront of the opposition penalty box as nobody wants to commit a foul there

Add to that the fact he is English which ticks a qouta box… Id say 40-50m is relatively fair

[SotonianWill]

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

He is clearly not shite, he is our best player by almost every metric and a huge part of the club. Will be sad to see him go

So sad when he leaves, who else will pass the ball 5 yards sideways and backwards? If you can’t see lavia is our best player then I don’t know whether football is for you. People on twitter will probably bring up the running stats then claim he’s amazing. free kicks i’ll miss, cowardly leadership and lack of presence on the pitch this season (other than under jones) not so much. 

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

So sad when he leaves, who else will pass the ball 5 yards sideways and backwards? If you can’t see lavia is our best player then I don’t know whether football is for you. People on twitter will probably bring up the running stats then claim he’s amazing. free kicks i’ll miss, cowardly leadership and lack of presence on the pitch this season (other than under jones) not so much. 

Bednarek.

[Chez]

On 09/05/2023 at 00:09, qwertyell said:

 

Prowse's skillset from open play is ten-a-penny. We'll miss his set pieces, but there's nothing remotely remarkable about the rest of his game that couldn't be found in a hundred midfielders around Europe.

Maybe, but we found Diallo, and his all round game is worse, not better.

Jwp isn't world class. He's not even good enough to get in the England side, but I'm not sure we'll be watching a central midfielder as good as him in our midfield next season.

[Osvaldorama]

14 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

So sad when he leaves, who else will pass the ball 5 yards sideways and backwards? If you can’t see lavia is our best player then I don’t know whether football is for you. People on twitter will probably bring up the running stats then claim he’s amazing. free kicks i’ll miss, cowardly leadership and lack of presence on the pitch this season (other than under jones) not so much. 

Lavia definitely has a higher ceiling and is also fantastic. But the stats don’t lie. 
 

Assists, goals, distance covered, tackles, interceptions.. JWP is better on all of them.

On top of that he loves the club and is a leader to the squad.  He will be a huge miss. 

You’re insulting the wrong person. There are many reasons we are shite, but JWP isn’t one. He is a top PL player. 

[Sussex_saint]

Completely agree with the post above this - there are many more things and individuals to blame than jwp. To address the people complaining about teens "worshiping" Prowsey - for a lot of people my age, he is our Southampton hero. He is the longest serving player right now, so it's only natural that people who watch saints feel an affinity for him. It's the same as people of an older generation having Le Tis as their childhood hero. 

 

I'm not saying he's a flawless captain, of course he does have to take some responsibility. However, we don't know what he's like off the pitch - on the pitch is only half of the responsibilities of a captain.

Edited 10 May, 2023 by Sussex_saint

[SotonianWill]

11 minutes ago, Sussex_saint said:

Completely agree with the post above this - there are many more things and individuals to blame than jwp. To address the people complaining about teens "worshiping" Prowsey - for a lot of people my age, he is our Southampton hero. He is the longest serving player right now, so it's only natural that people who watch saints feel an affinity for him. It's the same as people of an older generation having Le Tis as their childhood hero. 

I can understand what you’re saying to an extent, but lots of them aren’t even teens they’re grown men 😂

[Ted Bates Statue]

Vibes of "We should sell him to Watford for a tenner" circa 2018 in this thread. Also, the same shit was said about Hojbjerg and he's been playing for a big 6 side ever since he left. 

No, we're not going to get an improvement on JWP in a lower division.

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

Vibes of "We should sell him to Watford for a tenner" circa 2018 in this thread. Also, the same shit was said about Hojbjerg and he's been playing for a big 6 side ever since he left. 

No, we're not going to get an improvement on JWP in a lower division.

Its obvious that jwp is class for us. I swear, the guy gets lynched for not being the perfect all in one midfielder by some... He isn't part kante, part kdb, and running the midfield of every Premier league game singlehandedly - and therefore he's seemingly utter shit... 🤔).

Meanwhile he's been in demand by numerous Premier league clubs and consistently played by all our Premier league mananger from being a kid under adkins / poch / koeman, to being the main man under Ralph... Its not by fluke that be is our record Premier league appearance holder and still only 28. Let alone the fact he basically hasn't missed a minute in 4 seasons... 

I personally hope jwp stays to lead us back up - doubt it will happen obviously - but it would send a very important signal and he remains easily one of our best players. 

Edited 10 May, 2023 by Saint86

[bpsaint]

9 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Meanwhile he's been in demand by numerous Premier league clubs

[LeBizzier69]

I'm gutted about relegation, but i'm finding the thing that's bothering me most is (probably) not seeing Lavia and JWP play in a saints shirt again.

[sfc4prem]

Remember when he used to pop into my mate's cafe in Chichester. Top lad.

Always a crying shame to see academy grads leaving. All the more gut wrenching that he could well have stayed with us for his entire career if we didn't get relegated.

[egg]

19 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Its obvious that jwp is class for us. I swear, the guy gets lynched for not being the perfect all in one midfielder by some... He isn't part kante, part kdb, and running the midfield of every Premier league game singlehandedly - and therefore he's seemingly utter shit... 🤔).

Meanwhile he's been in demand by numerous Premier league clubs and consistently played by all our Premier league mananger from being a kid under adkins / poch / koeman, to being the main man under Ralph... Its not by fluke that be is our record Premier league appearance holder and still only 28. Let alone the fact he basically hasn't missed a minute in 4 seasons... 

I personally hope jwp stays to lead us back up - doubt it will happen obviously - but it would send a very important signal and he remains easily one of our best players. 

I don't think anyone has said that he's shit. The truth is that he is a great free kick taker (not a great dead ball man - many of his corners are dreadful, our last one on Monday for example). He is also hard working, committed and super fit. However, he doesn't make breaks between the lines, his tackling ain't great, he's slow, he doesn't make many incisive passes, and he's slower to use the ball than a top level midfielder should be. That's not me saying he's shit, far from it, just highlighting the faults as I see them and why I think he's still at Saints and constantly overlooked for England. He's replaceable is the championship. 

We've had good service from him, but I don't believe premier league clubs have been chasing him. I've heard that he was told a while ago that he could move on, but in reality I'm not sure where he'd go and be a regular starter. West Ham perhaps when Rice goes, Newcastle perhaps, but I can't see where else he'd be needed as a starter. I think we'll cash in if we can, but I can't see a long line of buyers and/or a massive fee. 

[Saint Garrett]

On 11/05/2023 at 10:42, sfc4prem said:

Remember when he used to pop into my mate's cafe in Chichester. Top lad.

Always a crying shame to see academy grads leaving. All the more gut wrenching that he could well have stayed with us for his entire career if we didn't get relegated.

He pops in regularly to my mates cafe, with his family. They say he is one of the nicest blokes you'll meet.  He had a load of issues with his diet at the start of this season, but played through it. Can't remember exactly what it was but something like he was having reactions to gluten or something along those lines.

He was going to open a cafe alongside Oriel Romeu last year in Winchester somewhere, but that was put to bed when Oriel left.  They were really close on and off the pitch, and there is no doubt he's missed him this season. 

He's also best mates with Fraser, and was pretty pissed at the club when they let him go last year.

[Mallagroth]

4 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

He pops in regularly to my mates cafe, with his family. They say he is one of the nicest blokes you'll meet.  He had a load of issues with his diet at the start of this season, but played through it. Can't remember exactly what it was but something like he was having reactions to gluten or something along those lines.

He was going to open a cafe alongside Oriel Romeu last year in Winchester somewhere, but that was put to bed when Oriel left.  They were really close on and off the pitch, and there is no doubt he's missed him this season. 

He's also best mates with Fraser, and was pretty pissed at the club when they let him go last year.

I think the last line is why JWP is most likely to turn up in a spurs shirt, if he is given the choice of club.

[JWade]

I think absolute best case scenario would be loaning him out to a Premier League club on the agreement that he sticks with us if we got promoted next season. But that's likely just wishful thinking. 

There will be plenty of Premier League clubs after his signature so I have no doubt he'll be gone soon! 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

1 minute ago, JWade said:

I think absolute best case scenario would be loaning him out to a Premier League club on the agreement that he sticks with us if we got promoted next season. But that's likely just wishful thinking. 

There will be plenty of Premier League clubs after his signature so I have no doubt he'll be gone soon! 

If he's going to leave Southampton at all, I assume it's because we wants to win something/get more England caps - neither of those things leng themselves to him coming back at any point.

[JWade]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

If he's going to leave Southampton at all, I assume it's because we wants to win something/get more England caps - neither of those things leng themselves to him coming back at any point.

I know, like I said, that's in my opinion a best case scenario and it's wishful thinking. I've got no doubt in my mind he'll be gone for good. 

[Sussex_saint]

I can't see him being loaned away  - I think he's in or out.

[Wade Garrett]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he gave us another season if the club can sell him a worthwhile promotion push effort.

If we have another Johnny Cleverbollocks as manager, he will be gone.

[Toussaint]

4 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if he gave us another season if the club can sell him a worthwhile promotion push effort.

If we have another Johnny Cleverbollocks as manager, he will be gone.

What about his England aspirations?

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if he gave us another season if the club can sell him a worthwhile promotion push effort.

If we have another Johnny Cleverbollocks as manager, he will be gone.

what sort of pay cut do you think he will be happy with?

[Yorkshire Saint]

Going to Wet Spam if Spuds don't take 1st refusal. Brighton curious. 

Edited 12 May, 2023 by Yorkshire Saint

[Chez]

27 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if he gave us another season if the club can sell him a worthwhile promotion push effort.

If we have another Johnny Cleverbollocks as manager, he will be gone.

Unless his wages are cut in half on relegation, I should imagine we will be keen to get him off our wage bill.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

48 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if he gave us another season if the club can sell him a worthwhile promotion push effort.

If we have another Johnny Cleverbollocks as manager, he will be gone.

Meanwhile, in Rasmus' zoom meeting...

"So, Mr Cleverbollocks, or may I call you Johnny? Thank you. So, Johnny, we're keen to have someone committed to front footedness, aggression and MS excel.

While, I have to say that you being fictional is just the sort of tough life barrier I like to see, it's important that you, like all our previous clever appointments, can work with our top defensive coach, Mr Selles.

Excuse me one moment, I have to wave off half our squad from my tower of self delusion window.. bye JWP..." 🙂

[Hodgey]

Some people see things differently I suppose - but stats wise (from the athletic)

Ward-Prowse is as close to a one-player team as you can get. He is Southampton’s can-do man, invariably topping most statistics across attacking and defending. He has played the most minutes (3,105), scored the most goals (eight), registered the highest xGA (6.0), completed the most passes (1606) and crosses (235), recorded the most shot-creating (120) and goal-creating actions (eight) and made the most tackles (58), ball recoveries (209) and interceptions (49).

Really not sure what people expect of a midfielder in our team !!

[Weston Super Saint]

5 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

Some people see things differently I suppose - but stats wise (from the athletic)

Ward-Prowse is as close to a one-player team as you can get. He is Southampton’s can-do man, invariably topping most statistics across attacking and defending. He has played the most minutes (3,105), scored the most goals (eight), registered the highest xGA (6.0), completed the most passes (1606) and crosses (235), recorded the most shot-creating (120) and goal-creating actions (eight) and made the most tackles (58), ball recoveries (209) and interceptions (49).

Really not sure what people expect of a midfielder in our team !!

1303 of those passes were straight across the field.

Is 58 tackles really the most?  That's an average of 1.7 tackles per game, or one tackle every 53 minutes he's played.  Surely someone is making more than 1.7 tackles on average per game, if not, our defence really is terrible.

[Turkish]

Our spokesman on Twitter has voiced his unpopular opinion on a Friday afternoon too, so out there

 

[Hodgey]

39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

1303 of those passes were straight across the field.

Is 58 tackles really the most?  That's an average of 1.7 tackles per game, or one tackle every 53 minutes he's played.  Surely someone is making more than 1.7 tackles on average per game, if not, our defence really is terrible.

I mean these are not stats I’ve made up - they are from The Athletic, I guess they could have made them up, but they seem about right to me.

fair point if he’s played more games, but then the fact he can play 90m every game is surely an advantage. 

some people see him as a free kick luxury player, I see him as much more than that ,from what I see as well as stats.

that said this hasn’t been his best season, but he’s still clearly been one of our better players. Heaven help his replacement with some of the critics on here…let’s hope he is the top goalscorer two years running and makes more tackles/interceptions/chances etc

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

1303 of those passes were straight across the field.

Is 58 tackles really the most?  That's an average of 1.7 tackles per game, or one tackle every 53 minutes he's played.  Surely someone is making more than 1.7 tackles on average per game, if not, our defence really is terrible.

our defence really is terrible. However, perhaps there just aren't as many tackles in top flight games as you might imagine. Interceptions and misplaced passes will outnumber tackles.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

He is one of the players I would want to have a pint with. Intelligent and articulate he would always have something sensible to say behind the scenes; people would look up to him around the club. I doubt he spends much time in the hair salon, and he doesn't weighs himself down with gold jewelry or hang out in the VIP lounge of night clubs or on twitter. He could have left us but opted to be loyal. He is our top scorer as a midfield player. He sets the standards around the club. The fight back starts with players like him (if  he can be persuaded to stay). He will be an enormous pull for any manager of any caliber who wants to join us if he is still with us.

 

 

[Appy]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Our spokesman on Twitter has voiced his unpopular opinion on a Friday afternoon too, so out there

 

He’s so edgy, needs his own talksport show. 
 

Or just let Saints Voice be him.