The Spygate Saga

[RedArmy]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Shearer says Man City being found guilty of most of 115 charges would give them an asterisk - We get dumped out of potentially the most lucrative game in football and they get given an asterisk. Where's the justice.

We’re about to get it in the colon from the FA if that helps. 

[saintant]

Typical, just when we're the major headline news City have to go and steal our thunder. Does Neil Harris have a view on this? 

[badgerx16]

15 minutes ago, saintant said:

Rangers are tiny compared with Citeh.

They are vital for TV coverage in Scotland - 4 Old Firm derbies each season are a comparative gold mine.

[mikec]

1 hour ago, sandwichsaint said:

Good day to bury bad news, FA give Saints the biggest shoeing in football history and nobody else even notices. 
 

 

But "bad news" for most of the football world would be Tonda getting off lightly, so I hope you're right.

[saintant]

Does this mean we are no longer officially the biggest cheats in world football? Another crown taken from us.

[egg]

Just now, saintant said:

Does this mean we are no longer officially the biggest cheats in world football? Another crown taken from us.

Watch us be convicted of 116 breaches and retain our crown.

👑

[West Dean FC Legend]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

Typical, just when we're the major headline news City have to go and steal our thunder. Does Neil Harris have a view on this? 

Well imagine how angry the Middlesbrough supporters will be - clogging up social media with posts and replies about Manchester City, I mean a team cheating in the league they should be in, obviously not as big an offence or as evil as Saints one, but nevertheless.

WIth their wonderful angel-like attitude I'm sure they'll be demanding City get a 3 point deduction and one of their scheduled penalties is removed - oh and 'Borough get instantly promoted now because....well obvious really.

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

They still won’t kick Man City out of the league because of the money they bring in.

Have a day off! If they kicked them out I’m sure Sky would kick up a stink given the millions of pounds invested in these clubs including Man City.

They get a monumental fine and a transfer ban for a year.

The damage to the PL brand from kicking Citeh out will be too much. Imagine Haaland, Donarumma, Anderson, Fernandez, Doku etc all potentially going abroad and weakening the PL and a significant reduction in chances of a PL team winning the Champions League. We are cannon fodder / easy to brush aside for the football authorities in comparison

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

29 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Mate, they are done as a club. Burnley sued everton over one season and have been awarded nearly £40M. 

Every single club that was in the prem over that period will have a legal case against them. European clubs can sue them....

And that ignores the sporting sanction. You could make an argument for them being drop kicked out of the Football League.
 

And start again in the National League North. That'd be quite something. Bring it on. 

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

The damage to the PL brand from kicking Citeh out will be too much. Imagine Haaland, Donarumma, Anderson, Fernandez, Doku etc all potentially going abroad and weakening the PL. We are cannon fodder for the football authorities in comparison

This is the harsh reality but I think it actually puts the FA in quite a delicate situation. Can they afford to give Tonda a lengthy ban at the exact moment City have been hit with this? 

[richardc]

imagine the banter the Utd fans will have singing are you Southampton in disguise

 

Edited 2 hours ago by richardc

[Saint86]

Plus side, 3 automatic spots this season...

[EssEffCee]

I notice the City forum hasn't crashed. Take note @stevegrant 😁

[LordHester]

20 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

Rangers situation not at all comparable.

What about the Bielsa Precedent?

[hypochondriac]

Much less commentary about how disgusting city are. No one has called them morally repugnant.

[Sarnia Cherie]

2 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

I had a feeling the City case would drop while we were waiting. This is just so perfect. 

You can't hate these people enough. They can't touch City, but they can show they have teeth. 

What a load of shit. Couldn't even find any info on the BBC, its a non story.  

Top of the prem. New manager. New hair cut. Leave them alone. 

I'm really quite tired of this now. 

 

It is on the BBC. I read it and started a thread but others have decided to sully our Spygate thread with Man City!!!

[obelisk]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Much less commentary about how disgusting city are. No one has called them morally repugnant.

Well let's face it. Standing in a public place while watching players going through their moves in full public view is a much more serious offence than systematically breaking financial rules designed to slightly even things up a bit over many years.

What does "Gibbo" have to say on this? Presumably he'll be demanding a place in the EPL.

[BallBoy]

I assume the FA have now knocked off for the day. In fact they probably take Friday afternoons off.

[Football Special]

7 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

I notice the City forum hasn't crashed. Take note @stevegrant 😁

Were they expecting it? 

Feels like the 115 charges have been around for years and this announcement was quite sudden, but perhaps its been on the cards and just not on our radar. When Pep left there were quite a few people saying he's getting out before the verdict hits. 

Old school City fans wouldn't fear expulsion and some time in league one , in fact some of them would welcome it 

Edited 2 hours ago by Football Special

[LaptopSaint]

FFS just as we’re about to take top place in the Badboys League, Man City and their Gulf money come and piss on our parade. Sports Republic out - they haven’t done enough. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LaptopSaint

[Sir Ralph]

15 minutes ago, saintant said:

This is the harsh reality but I think it actually puts the FA in quite a delicate situation. Can they afford to give Tonda a lengthy ban at the exact moment City have been hit with this? 

The FA is assessing Tonda, the PL is assessing Man City. Separate institutions so they will say independent decisions. The EFL also banned us from the final

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Much less commentary about how disgusting city are. No one has called them morally repugnant.

That's because none of their offences were committed from behind a tree. They're small time. 

[EssEffCee]

9 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Were they expecting it? 

Feels like the 115 charges have been around for years and this announcement was quite sudden, but perhaps its been on the cards and just not on our radar. When Pep left there were quite a few people saying he's getting out before the verdict hits. 

Old school City fans wouldn't fear expulsion and some time in league one , in fact some of them would welcome it 

Yeah I doubt most of their original fans are that arsed. 

Think the bigger issue for the club might be legal implications rather than sporting ones.

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

I notice the City forum hasn't crashed. Take note @stevegrant 😁

bet they're not paying a fiver each either

[Saint Fan CaM]

9 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Were they expecting it? 

Feels like the 115 charges have been around for years and this announcement was quite sudden, but perhaps its been on the cards and just not on our radar. When Pep left there were quite a few people saying he's getting out before the verdict hits. 

Old school City fans wouldn't fear expulsion and some time in league, in fact some of them would welcome it 

Yeah that’s what I thought - it’s been known and expected for such a long time that it’s almost old news. 114/115 charges proved as wrong-doing apparently - under the circumstances expulsion from the EPL is the least they should expect…possibly also -6 points next season too.
 

[LiberalCommunist]

Even the BBC headline is down playing the severity. 'Found guilty of the majority of 115 charges.'

No, they were found guilty of 114 of 115 charges. That's not just a majority, that's all of them bar one. Seven of those were applicable to PSR rules, the others, far more serious. 

54 counts of not supplying financial documentation. Hiding income. Failing to provide salary info. Fraud on a industrial level. 

35 counts of not cooperating. 

And lets remember, other clubs have already been punished for far less. Everton and Nottingham Forrest should feel very aggrieved tonight if this punishment isn't massive points deduction and multiple relegations. 

I don't give a shit about City, but punishments have to be proportionate, or there's no point in having a governing body.

So, what's the punishment to be, and when are all the other clubs going to start filing lawsuits. That's how it works now. You made the rules, after all. 

Burn it all down. 

Edited 2 hours ago by LiberalCommunist

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

Breaking news….City have been expelled from the PL 😳😳😳 Gibbo’s boys to take their place as gallant Play-Off losers. Only fair I guess.

[badgerx16]

Given how vociferous he has been over Tonda, how is Jim White going to cover this ?

[SaintsLoyal]

1 hour ago, lambtiss said:

Grow up

LOL He did the deed telling players to leave, you his dad ? LOL

Lallana is a dirty rat as expressed by a former club director. 

[Toussaint]

9 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

LOL He did the deed telling players to leave, you his dad ? LOL

Lallana is a dirty rat as expressed by a former club director. 

Just remember, your weekend pass is conditional on you taking your medication. I’ve had enough of cheating for one day thank you. Just take your medication and fulfil your obligation!

[Toussaint]

17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Given how vociferous he has been over Tonda, how is Jim White going to cover this ?

By calling someone a racist or a phobe of some kind?

[saintant]

Shearer says, if found guilty, City will be given an asterisk next to their name. So we should have been in the Play-Off Final against Hull but with an asterisk next to our name. I'd have taken that.

[Toussaint]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

Shearer says, if found guilty, City will be given an asterisk next to their name. So we should have been in the Play-Off Final against Hull but with an asterisk next to our name. I'd have taken that.

I can’t believe he had the Gaul to say that!

[coalman]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Watch us be convicted of 116 breaches and retain our crown.

👑

Will Salt recorded nearly 5 minutes of footage on his phone. At a rate of one breach per second that's easily 300 breaches. Which, by my estimation should result in a 731 point deduction from this season and a 327 year ban for Tonda.

[CB Fry]

3 hours ago, MB said:

Said yesterday it could be Monday….

Jesus wept.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Let's see if the premier league has the balls to relegated them via a massive points fine.

I know they won't. It'll be a massive fine that's it. Most likely take off points retrospectively in those years.

Edited 1 hour ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[Suhari]

1 hour ago, LordHester said:

What about the Bielsa Precedent?

Decent, but I preferred The Ipcress File.

[do i not like fizzy pop]

Anyone know what Neil Harris's opinion on the Man City situation is? 

[hypochondriac]

So if that is right we could appeal in a fortnight once it's announced and then it could be another three weeks after that. Potentially another five weeks?

[saintwbu]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

So if that is right we could appeal in a fortnight once it's announced and then it could be another three weeks after that. Potentially another five weeks?

Why are all these things unable to be escalated to CAS? Who decides that?

[saintant]

Just now, saintwbu said:

Why are all these things unable to be escalated to CAS? Who decides that?

Gibbo.

[benjii]

1 hour ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Even the BBC headline is down playing the severity. 'Found guilty of the majority of 115 charges.'

No, they were found guilty of 114 of 115 charges. That's not just a majority, that's all of them bar one. Seven of those were applicable to PSR rules, the others, far more serious. 

54 counts of not supplying financial documentation. Hiding income. Failing to provide salary info. Fraud on a industrial level. 

35 counts of not cooperating. 

And lets remember, other clubs have already been punished for far less. Everton and Nottingham Forrest should feel very aggrieved tonight if this punishment isn't massive points deduction and multiple relegations. 

I don't give a shit about City, but punishments have to be proportionate, or there's no point in having a governing body.

So, what's the punishment to be, and when are all the other clubs going to start filing lawsuits. That's how it works now. You made the rules, after all. 

Burn it all down. 

Still, good news on the 1!

[Window Cleaner]

20 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Decent, but I preferred The Ipcress File.

Although Ipcress is Len Deighton whereas Bielsa Précédent is more of a Ludlumesque sounding title...

[hypochondriac]

I'd 100% be appealing right at the end of the two week deadline so Tonda can help us smash the skates as a parting gift 

[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I'd 100% be appealing right at the end of the two week deadline so Tonda can help us smash the skates as a parting gift 

That's tempting, but the uncertainty over him wouldn't have helped us this season, and do we really want more of it. 

[VectisSaint]

12 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Why are all these things unable to be escalated to CAS? Who decides that?

Almost certainly a condition of membership of the organisation, EFL, FA etc. All member clubs agree to abide by the decisions of the governing body.

The Citeh decision today has brought into perspective that although the hearing took place yesterday, the decision on sanctions is separate and takes place after and separate to the hearing. The same happened in May, but the timescales were compressed as agreed by the Club.

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

That's tempting, but the uncertainty over him wouldn't have helped us this season, and do we really want more of it. 

Yes, and it buys more time to sort out a replacement.