The Spygate Saga

[Patrick Bateman]

13 hours ago, HKsaint said:

Appeal allowed?

Fans appeal allowed on having Rob Edwards as manager? Yes - I appeal. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Reckon we could just sing “Thomas Frank” over and over again for ninety minutes - better use of time

[Mr X]

Question has sticking with Tonda caused us more or less damage in the long run? Do you predict we will crumble when the new or interim manager arrives? 

[Disco Stu]

2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Speaking of Twats, Middlesbrough have given another interview about us in the Athletic 

 

They're the only one's to have benefitted from the whole affair. Beggars belief they're still playing victim. They only have themselves to blame for bottling their second bite of the cherry.

Edited Saturday at 15:44 by Disco Stu

[franniesTache]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

@franniesTache get some good info at times. 

Mine's dried up a bit recently as one of the people i knew left the club and they reported directly into the board, still hear bits and bobs but not much of the top level stuff that's happening anymore

[Doctoroncall]

2 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Speaking of Twats, Middlesbrough have given another interview about us in the Athletic 

 

It’s a shame they didn’t wait for the forthcoming 30th anniversary of Boro cheating and the pain of relegation that caused!

[There when Franny scored]

3 hours ago, egg said:

And that is the bottom line. The constant posts from people getting wound up about it are tragic and funny in equal measure. 

I don’t agree. People have genuine anxiety about it, myself included. 
 

As you said, probability dictates that someone knows something. So someone pretending to know something can be anxiety inducing up until the point it’s obvious that they’re pretending. 
 

That uncertainty, and the vested interest is what they’re relying on. I don’t think that makes it harmless or tragic. If someone cares about something deeply it makes it very difficult to be objective, or accurately assess the credibility of a source. 

[trousers]

4 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Speaking of Twats, Middlesbrough have given another interview about us in the Athletic 

 

"Being at the training ground when Boro realised they were being spied upon"

Yeah... They never knew Salt was going to be there until they just happened to spot him on the day... No-sir-eee.... 😂

Edited Saturday at 17:59 by trousers

[Willo of Whiteley]

Just now, trousers said:

"Being at the training ground when Boro realised they were being spied upon"

Yeah... They never knew Salt was going to be there until they spotted him on the day... No-sir-eee.... 🤦🏻

Or did they?

Let’s go over to Jake Taylor for his side of the story… and how much Boro officials paid him… 😉

[egg]

13 minutes ago, There when Franny scored said:

I don’t agree. People have genuine anxiety about it, myself included. 
 

As you said, probability dictates that someone knows something. So someone pretending to know something can be anxiety inducing up until the point it’s obvious that they’re pretending. 
 

That uncertainty, and the vested interest is what they’re relying on. I don’t think that makes it harmless or tragic. If someone cares about something deeply it makes it very difficult to be objective, or accurately assess the credibility of a source. 

People are worried, don't confuse that with "genuine anxiety".

Regardless, the simple point remains. If you believe a claim about information to be bullshit, treat it accordingly and move on.

I don't know whether MB has or hasn't heard anything, but he's merely said that we should hear something. Hardly ground breaking, or anything to get upset or anxious about. 

Re that last part. Most people have the common sense to appreciate that a source cannot be identified, or even hinted at, for reasons that should be obvious. If a forum user feels that they have a right to drill down to "assess the credibility of a source" that's a bit daft given it's bloody obvious that they won't get that information. 

[There when Franny scored]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

People are worried, don't confuse that with "genuine anxiety".

Regardless, the simple point remains. If you believe a claim about information to be bullshit, treat it accordingly and move on.

I don't know whether MB has or hasn't heard anything, but he's merely said that we should hear something. Hardly ground breaking, or anything to get upset or anxious about. 

Re that last part. Most people have the common sense to appreciate that a source cannot be identified, or even hinted at, for reasons that should be obvious. If a forum user feels that they have a right to drill down to "assess the credibility of a source" that's a bit daft given it's bloody obvious that they won't get that information. 

I thought he had said Tonda had a ban and we had appealed it but maybe I’m confusing him with a different poster. 

[Saint86]

12 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

But what makes you so certain MB isn't passing on what he's been told in good faith? 

Just because the info correlates with what has already been rumoured doesn't prove he's just making it up, so why do you have to be such a cunt to him about it? Why can't you just ignore him if you don't believe it's legit?

It's no wonder many of the previous ITK posters don't bother anymore if they're just gonna get abused for it.

The legitimate ITKs post when they have stuff to share and their comments are always well received. The chancers and wind up merchants tend to get what they deserve (and likely want), subject to how they pitch it.

Edited Saturday at 23:19 by Saint86

[Mr X]

Wish they would just get the hell on with it and announce a ban we all know that's what he's going to get Its just a matter of how long! I can understand why they did for stability reasons but Personally think the club were naive to stick with him, once you are tarred with being a cheat you are always going to be damaged goods and it will be difficult to. Repair the reputation of the club with him here

[IFHP]

6 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Wish they would just get the hell on with it and announce a ban we all know that's what he's going to get Its just a matter of how long! I can understand why they did for stability reasons but Personally think the club were naive to stick with him, once you are tarred with being a cheat you are always going to be damaged goods and it will be difficult to. Repair the reputation of the club with him here

Exactly my thoughts, Tonda has been great but we should have sacked him the moment it all broke. 
 

it’s just delaying the inevitable that we will be looking for another manager, possibly less then a week before we play little Portsmouth in their big cup final.

if we’d had sacked Tonda back in May this would have all been over with by now. 

 

[Cuddles]

Why's everyone being so negative? It will be fine. Probably a suspended ban or something.

[Football Special]

Just now, Cuddles said:

Why's everyone being so negative? It will be fine. Probably a suspended ban or something.

None of them know but they post on here to reaffirm their own fears with each other , some of them will be hoping for an 'i told you this would happen moment" but ultimately they're guessing at the moment 

[Badger]

22 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Speaking of Twats, Middlesbrough have given another interview about us in the Athletic 

 

Christ all fucking mighty... talk about milking it.

Wonder if Kieran Scott and Kim needed therapy and counselling for the trauma they've suffered. I'm sure it'll be available as part of a victim support package.

Liverpool have a rival for the Biggest Victims 2026 at this years awards.

[saintant]

46 minutes ago, Badger said:

Christ all fucking mighty... talk about milking it.

Wonder if Kieran Scott and Kim needed therapy and counselling for the trauma they've suffered. I'm sure it'll be available as part of a victim support package.

Liverpool have a rival for the Biggest Victims 2026 at this years awards.

Does he not realise that, had it not been for us spying (I use the term spying in the loosest terms possible), they would not have been granted their second chance to appear in the Play-Off Final? Maybe he should address his disappointment to the manager of Boro who resided over a team who put in one of the weakest, most inept performances I've ever seen at Wembley especially considering the magnitude of what was at stake. He could then have given Kim Heldberg something to really cry about.

[beatlesaint]

30 minutes ago, saintant said:

Does he not realise that, had it not been for us spying (I use the term spying in the loosest terms possible), they would not have been granted their second chance to appear in the Play-Off Final? Maybe he should address his disappointment to the manager of Boro who resided over a team who put in one of the weakest, most inept performances I've ever seen at Wembley especially considering the magnitude of what was at stake. He could then have given Kim Heldberg something to really cry about.

That’s the thing I don’t understand. Is it our fault they screwed up a second chance? Their mentality over all this is extremely weird. Sure laugh at us for getting caught and being kicked out but to then kind of make out they’ve been wronged is crazy.

[Willo of Whiteley]

On a complete side note, given over the last few months Tonda and his party have had a baby, he’s had death threats, upped security and the pressure on him - it must be an incredibly tough period for him.

So with that, whatever the outcome, whatever the situation I hope the club will help or are helping guide him through this.

[Mr X]

1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

On a complete side note, given over the last few months Tonda and his party have had a baby, he’s had death threats, upped security and the pressure on him - it must be an incredibly tough period for him.

So with that, whatever the outcome, whatever the situation I hope the club will help or are helping guide him through this.

A period he totally bought on himself you mean? 

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

4 minutes ago, Mr X said:

A period he totally bought on himself you mean? 

Maybe he wanted to start a family.

[Football Special]

45 minutes ago, Mr X said:

A period he totally bought on himself you mean? 

Hello Gibbo 👋 

[SaintsfanSwindon]

Total Saints podcast starts soon. Hopefully there will be some sort of news or update from Alfie. 

[trousers]

20 minutes ago, SaintsfanSwindon said:

Total Saints podcast starts soon. Hopefully there will be some sort of news or update from Alfie. 

This is what he said a few hours ago... Sounds like he's as in the dark as the rest of us...

 

Edited 15 hours ago by trousers

[Toussaint]

2 hours ago, Mr X said:

A period he totally bought on himself you mean? 

I can’t see how it makes any difference, I have been the architect of my own downfall on occasions in my life, it’s of little consolation. 

[Turkish]

6 hours ago, Badger said:

Christ all fucking mighty... talk about milking it.

Wonder if Kieran Scott and Kim needed therapy and counselling for the trauma they've suffered. I'm sure it'll be available as part of a victim support package.

Liverpool have a rival for the Biggest Victims 2026 at this years awards.

Quite. Where’s the trauma? They got a free pass to a final and still naused it up. They shouldn’t be grizzle gutting about how tough it all was, they should STFU and wonder how they’re the only team to ever lose a semi final and a final in the same competition. 

[Dr Who?]

6 hours ago, Football Special said:

None of them know but they post on here to reaffirm their own fears with each other , some of them will be hoping for an 'i told you this would happen moment" but ultimately they're guessing at the moment 

It’s like therapy for them I suppose. I would like to know what is going to happen and think it should have been sorted by now, but it does not take over my life, I dip in and out of here and other media sources. 

[Dr Who?]

Oh and driving back to Carlisle from Sheffield today I stopped at Scotch Corner services where there were 3 Boro fans doing the binoculars gesture and giving me stick. I just did the crying and rubbing my eyes. I was hungover so nearly crying anyways! 

[Toadhall Saint]

3 hours ago, Mr X said:

A period he totally bought on himself you mean? 

You don’t like him do you 

[Pamplemousse]

If they thought the atmosphere was hostile back in May, just wait until next month. 

[Turkish]

Just been told we should hear something by next Saturday lunchtime 

[AlexLaw76]

I have heard he has been banned and the club are contesting it

[sadoldgit]

4 hours ago, Mr X said:

A period he totally bought on himself you mean? 

FFS, it is just football. Who on earth deserves death threats over a game played by over paid prima donnas? People have done far worse and got a lot less grief. 

[trousers]

34 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I have heard he has been banned and the club are contesting it

Source?

[suewhistle]

28 minutes ago, trousers said:

Source?

common sense?

Nah, possibly not, precious little of that shown on here..

[Cuddles]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

Source?

MB?

[Pengi]

6 hours ago, trousers said:

Source?

Banned for how long? 

Edited 6 hours ago by Pengi

[AlexLaw76]

10 hours ago, trousers said:

Source?

Saints Web

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

Wednesday will be the day. No news for Sky etc other than Tonda's long ban.

FA said after international break.

I am anxious.

 

[saintant]

It has to be today surely especially if it's a lengthy ban. The FA must give us at least the whole of this week to appoint a replacement whether that is a temporary replacement from within the club or a permanent new manager. The way this whole saga has been handled so far I'll not be holding my breath.

[Football Special]

13 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

If they thought the atmosphere was hostile back in May, just wait until next month. 

Wasn't there a Northern Saint on here who mentioned at the time he'd even walked his dog close to the Boro training ground before, please please do it in a Saints tracksuit top a few days before we are due to play them 

 

[hypochondriac]

I can pretend to be itk and say I've been told that it will almost certainly be announced before Thursday that Tonda has a ban.

[Ted Bates Statue]

6 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Wasn't there a Northern Saint on here who mentioned at the time he'd even walked his dog close to the Boro training ground before, please please do it in a Saints tracksuit top a few days before we are due to play them 

 

To do it properly, you'd need at least a dozen people to achieve the full comedic effect along with a Benny Hill soundtrack.

Fun and games, until Gibson has another sense of humour failure and unleashes the hounds at them

[CB Fry]

I have heard that he has been banned and the club are contesting it

[Polaroid Saint]

I heard he has formed a band and entered a contest with it.

[badgerx16]

41 minutes ago, saintant said:

It has to be today surely especially if it's a lengthy ban. The FA must give us at least the whole of this week to appoint a replacement whether that is a temporary replacement from within the club or a permanent new manager. The way this whole saga has been handled so far I'll not be holding my breath.

Why ? We are the biggest cheats in global sporting history, and winding up the club, demolishing St Mary's, and pouring salt onto the pitch would hardly come close to an appropriate punishment.

[Miltonaggro]

20 hours ago, Badger said:

Christ all fucking mighty... talk about milking it.

Wonder if Kieran Scott and Kim needed therapy and counselling for the trauma they've suffered. I'm sure it'll be available as part of a victim support package.

Liverpool have a rival for the Biggest Victims 2026 at this years awards.

Middlesbrough have been out of the Premier League for a decade, and before that have only played four seasons in the top flight in the last twenty years. They knew that last season was their best chance, and after bottling the autos fucked up the playoffs twice.  In corporate psychology terms this is a classic case of projection and the scapegoating the threat of a more competent rival, probably allied to the fact that deep down they know that their level is a middling football league club in a post industrial hellscape.  'Spygate' (ffs) has got them some attention and indulgence mainly fuelled by the slurry king cunt of a Chairman calling in favours, it will pass.  

[Pamplemousse]

They also had quite the windfall this summer in terms of transfers - the sell on for Morgan Rogers alone was a record. So if they don't go up this year, that will cement their status as the country's number 1 bottle jobs.