revolution saint Posted yesterday at 10:44 Posted yesterday at 10:44 11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Another right back. Could provide much needed cover for Bree. Roerslev and Sugawara. Fingers crossed 🤞 22
revolution saint Posted yesterday at 10:52 Posted yesterday at 10:52 1 hour ago, James said: His goal record in general is pretty poor. No goals at Watford, 6 at Preston (although someone on here said his xG was good so either he’s not getting in positions to score or Preston don’t create any chances). I mentioned his xG recently and wouldn’t say it’s great but at Preston he scored roughly equivalent to what was expected which isn’t too bad in a side that didn’t actually create much. I was only making the point when comparing him against Azon though who is the complete opposite and scores roughly half the amount of goals he should be getting and last season missed more big chances than anyone else in the division. I can’t see us going big on someone like Vipotnik so I think whoever we do sign is going to be a big gamble.
kjurwi Posted yesterday at 11:07 Posted yesterday at 11:07 I was so fudging angry after the ending of last season, so i had to calm down a bit. Starting to come back now. Is Dobbins the only new player this summer? Not counting players on loan last season.
beatlesaint Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 12 minutes ago, kjurwi said: I was so fudging angry after the ending of last season, so i had to calm down a bit. Starting to come back now. Is Dobbins the only new player this summer? Not counting players on loan last season. So far yes but then of the regular team last season only Stewart and soon to be Charles have left. 1
James Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 37 minutes ago, revolution saint said: I mentioned his xG recently and wouldn’t say it’s great but at Preston he scored roughly equivalent to what was expected which isn’t too bad in a side that didn’t actually create much. I was only making the point when comparing him against Azon though who is the complete opposite and scores roughly half the amount of goals he should be getting and last season missed more big chances than anyone else in the division. I can’t see us going big on someone like Vipotnik so I think whoever we do sign is going to be a big gamble. Fair. I was just thinking that if six goals is “par” for Jebbison last season then either Preston created a ridiculously low number of chances for him or he wasn’t in positions to score. Azon, by contrast, seems to have had plenty of chances but was a poor finisher. Now, clearly Ipswich were a better side than Preston, so maybe that’s to be expected but I thought I’d read somewhere that Ipswich fans thought his movement and positioning were great but that his finishing needed improvement. That’s why I was more excited by Azon than I am by Jebbison. Agree every striker that we could get is a gamble but, if we are going for Autos, I’d be surprised if the best we can do is a striker like Jebbison who, whilst still very young, has quite a poor record of scoring goals at this level.
Pilchards Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 27 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: So far yes but then of the regular team last season only Stewart and soon to be Charles have left. Which in my opinion makes us weaker. With West Ham and Wolves in our league then I feel we should be pushing with more quality Dobbin type signings. Im praying our new striker is the new bees knees otherwise it’s back to the likes of Adams, Armstrong, Downs, Mara, BBD and the lanky shit player that went to Turkey. 1
Lighthouse Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Pilchards said: Which in my opinion makes us weaker. With West Ham and Wolves in our league then I feel we should be pushing with more quality Dobbin type signings. Im praying our new striker is the new bees knees otherwise it’s back to the likes of Adams, Armstrong, Downs, Mara, BBD and the lanky shit player that went to Turkey. We got promoted three years ago with 5'10" Che Adams leading the line and Sekou Mara as backup. In the worst case scenario Larin as a focal point with BBD as backup is at least equal, I would say better. Especially with goals to be expected from Azaz, Dobbin and Scienza. This squad is comfortably good enough for automatic promotion, our only problem would be if someone like Leo or THB was sold, or both Charles and Jander. 1
gio1saints Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Complacency. Saints were not good enough for automatic last year and start on minus four this year with much stronger new competitor opponents in wolves and West Ham especially. My expectation is another tough long season in which we struggle but make play offs. Then we should be favourites. The sense of injustice that we hope may inspire the players every match is going to be useful but most of all at the end of the season in crunch matches. Inbetween I reckon many teams will use the result v us as a benchmark - and raise their game - they know we could have been in EPL instead of Hull. Not one easy game this year starting with Colchester. 5
SNSUN Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 7 minutes ago, gio1saints said: Complacency. Saints were not good enough for automatic last year and start on minus four this year with much stronger new competitor opponents in wolves and West Ham especially. My expectation is another tough long season in which we struggle but make play offs. Then we should be favourites. The sense of injustice that we hope may inspire the players every match is going to be useful but most of all at the end of the season in crunch matches. Inbetween I reckon many teams will use the result v us as a benchmark - and raise their game - they know we could have been in EPL instead of Hull. Not one easy game this year starting with Colchester. We weren't in the first half of last season, we were in the second half with Bree back and Larin and Peretz brought in. We have the same team that finished last season currently. Ergo we are good enough for autos. Any sales from here on out may alter that, and yes the League is stronger, but we're still in good shape. Currently.
James Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 24 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: We got promoted three years ago with 5'10" Che Adams leading the line and Sekou Mara as backup. In the worst case scenario Larin as a focal point with BBD as backup is at least equal, I would say better. Especially with goals to be expected from Azaz, Dobbin and Scienza. This squad is comfortably good enough for automatic promotion, our only problem would be if someone like Leo or THB was sold, or both Charles and Jander. I think you’re underestimating the quality of the teams that came down. Leeds and Leicester were decent but West Ham with Bowen and £100m of transfer fees to strengthen and Wolves with Jiminez who was causing high class opposition problems at the WC is a different gravy. If we really expect to keep up with them, when we are already 4 points behind, with Larin as a starter and BBD backing him up then we are going to be disappointed. My view is we need a starting quality striker to rotate with Larin to have a realistic shot of dislodging either WH or Wolves. 14
MarkSFC Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 13 minutes ago, gio1saints said: Complacency. Saints were not good enough for automatic last year and start on minus four this year with much stronger new competitor opponents in wolves and West Ham especially. My expectation is another tough long season in which we struggle but make play offs. Then we should be favourites. The sense of injustice that we hope may inspire the players every match is going to be useful but most of all at the end of the season in crunch matches. Inbetween I reckon many teams will use the result v us as a benchmark - and raise their game - they know we could have been in EPL instead of Hull. Not one easy game this year starting with Colchester. Selective noise. For the last 25 games we won the league, 1 point more than Cov I belive (67-66). This clearly indicates the potential to win this league. As always players in/players out will have a major say. So far, we are winning in my opinion, although a striker is necessary. Charles going and being replaced is needed but not as key as Bragg is a better player. As it stands we will certainly be top 4. With a decent striker we may well win the league regardless of the relegated teams persona.
Baird of the land Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 9 minutes ago, James said: I think you’re underestimating the quality of the teams that came down. Leeds and Leicester were decent but West Ham with Bowen and £100m of transfer fees to strengthen and Wolves with Jiminez who was causing high class opposition problems at the WC is a different gravy. If we really expect to keep up with them, when we are already 4 points behind, with Larin as a starter and BBD backing him up then we are going to be disappointed. My view is we need a starting quality striker to rotate with Larin to have a realistic shot of dislodging either WH or Wolves. We're also going to have a massive hole in midfield when Charles leaves that needs filling to hope to compete. 4
iansums Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said: I think 'whoosh' is the only suitable word for this post. Edit : Verbal was fastest off the line. I think you could go round and round for ages and he still wouldn’t get it. 1
Toussaint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 44 minutes ago, SNSUN said: We weren't in the first half of last season, we were in the second half with Bree back and Larin and Peretz brought in. We have the same team that finished last season currently. Ergo we are good enough for autos. Any sales from here on out may alter that, and yes the League is stronger, but we're still in good shape. Currently. I think you are underestimating the contributions of Ross and Shea 4 1
revolution saint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, James said: Fair. I was just thinking that if six goals is “par” for Jebbison last season then either Preston created a ridiculously low number of chances for him or he wasn’t in positions to score. Azon, by contrast, seems to have had plenty of chances but was a poor finisher. Now, clearly Ipswich were a better side than Preston, so maybe that’s to be expected but I thought I’d read somewhere that Ipswich fans thought his movement and positioning were great but that his finishing needed improvement. That’s why I was more excited by Azon than I am by Jebbison. Agree every striker that we could get is a gamble but, if we are going for Autos, I’d be surprised if the best we can do is a striker like Jebbison who, whilst still very young, has quite a poor record of scoring goals at this level. Last season Preston created the third fewest chances in the championship and Ipswich the third highest. Jebbison had played slightly more minutes but not by much and scored one more goal than Azon. So if you’re worried about goals then Azon isn’t your man. By all accounts he’s a pest, can press, link up play and that kind of thing so if you’re looking for a Che Adams type but with less goal output then Azon may well float your boat, Not saying Jebbison is amazing or will be a success but probably more likely to get goals than Azon. Edited 21 hours ago by revolution saint 3
James Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Toussaint said: I think you are underestimating the contributions of Ross and Shea Yep. Ross was our first choice striker in my view. He started most of the key games in the run in. 3
Swaythling Saint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Still hoping for Salech as I think would link well with Dobbin/Azaz and play off Larin, but realistically think Jebbison on loan with an option.
BARCELONASAINT Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago I have no doubt we will be bringing in another striker to rotate with Larin and imho it is imperative we get the signing 100% correct, there really is no room for error here. Larin exceeded all expectations and i love the guy but can we expect him to have the same impact this season? I certainly hope so but he will need help. Apart from Larin i cannot say any of our current crop of strikers makes me feel confident that we will find the goals to compete with Wolves, West Ham and Borough who i thought looked decent last night and their new striker looked like he will score goals for them this season. 1
goodymatt Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago We should have pushed the boat out for Lankshear, add ons make the deal look expensive but the initial fee was reasonable. If Boro end up paying those add ons then they will be a PL team. Like with Delap, one we tracked and tried to do but didn’t get over the line. Our links to Azon and Jebbison are underwhelming and you’d be left hoping for a Larin style exceeding expectation. 2
James Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 12 minutes ago, goodymatt said: We should have pushed the boat out for Lankshear, add ons make the deal look expensive but the initial fee was reasonable. If Boro end up paying those add ons then they will be a PL team. Like with Delap, one we tracked and tried to do but didn’t get over the line. Our links to Azon and Jebbison are underwhelming and you’d be left hoping for a Larin style exceeding expectation. Pretty much summarises my feelings too. 1 1
jamesfp1 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Any solid rumours? Been keeping away from X and Insta.
Saint_lambden Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Malick Yalcouye at Brighton. Was on loan at Swansea last season, central midfielder. HCDAJFU as a Charles replacement.
Katalinic Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said: Malick Yalcouye at Brighton. Was on loan at Swansea last season, central midfielder. HCDAJFU as a Charles replacement. Was very good against us when he came on for Swansea in the away game last season. 1
beatlesaint Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: We. Need. A. Striker. #justsaying 😊 They. Know. #justsaying 😀 1
stknowle Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 3 hours ago, James said: I think you’re underestimating the quality of the teams that came down. Leeds and Leicester were decent but West Ham with Bowen and £100m of transfer fees to strengthen and Wolves with Jiminez who was causing high class opposition problems at the WC is a different gravy. If we really expect to keep up with them, when we are already 4 points behind, with Larin as a starter and BBD backing him up then we are going to be disappointed. My view is we need a starting quality striker to rotate with Larin to have a realistic shot of dislodging either WH or Wolves. Indeed. Any suggestion that Larin + BBD will be fine for promotion is hugely complacent. I’ll be surprised if we don’t get another striker in but if that player is good as a fit Stewart our scouts will have done very well. 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 22 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: They. Know. #justsaying 😀 I was being slightly tongue in cheek - hopefully the lack of info means we’re about to be pleasantly surprised! 1
Lighthouse Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 3 hours ago, James said: I think you’re underestimating the quality of the teams that came down. Leeds and Leicester were decent but West Ham with Bowen and £100m of transfer fees to strengthen and Wolves with Jiminez who was causing high class opposition problems at the WC is a different gravy. If we really expect to keep up with them, when we are already 4 points behind, with Larin as a starter and BBD backing him up then we are going to be disappointed. My view is we need a starting quality striker to rotate with Larin to have a realistic shot of dislodging either WH or Wolves. This squad is comfortably capable of 100 points. Even with the -4 and competing against relegated teams, we should have enough to make the autos. I'd like to sign another decent striker but it's not critical to our season. 4 2
John B Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: This squad is comfortably capable of 100 points. Even with the -4 and competing against relegated teams, we should have enough to make the autos. I'd like to sign another decent striker but it's not critical to our season. Time will tell but football is a funny old game I will wait until January to make any predictions I admire your confidence 1
trousers Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago Signing another decent striker is critical to our season 21
Willo of Whiteley Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago A striker without fail. A winger with pace who runs at defenders and doesn’t piss about passing backwards and doing pointless stepovers. A STRIKER WITHOUT FAIL, to emphasise the point. 2
manji Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 6 hours ago, kjurwi said: I was so fudging angry after the ending of last season, so i had to calm down a bit. Starting to come back now. Is Dobbins the only new player this summer? Not counting players on loan last season. Good god the moaning has started already. I remember when we disposed of AA it was supposed to be a disaster a sign of the boards lack of interest. I blame football PC games everything is so easy. what about our promotion season ? The team we started out with was quite different a few matches later.
manji Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said: A striker without fail. A winger with pace who runs at defenders and doesn’t piss about passing backwards and doing pointless stepovers. A STRIKER WITHOUT FAIL, to emphasise the point. I’m confident we have a couple planned as in if we don’t get one the other in the bag.
manji Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Oh no we are going cheap and relying on Larin all season ….
Saint86 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 5 hours ago, gio1saints said: Complacency. Saints were not good enough for automatic last year and start on minus four this year with much stronger new competitor opponents in wolves and West Ham especially. My expectation is another tough long season in which we struggle but make play offs. Then we should be favourites. The sense of injustice that we hope may inspire the players every match is going to be useful but most of all at the end of the season in crunch matches. Inbetween I reckon many teams will use the result v us as a benchmark - and raise their game - they know we could have been in EPL instead of Hull. Not one easy game this year starting with Colchester. What?! The actual are you smoking? 😆 From the moment we switched to a back 4, Peretz in goal, and had a target man up front, we averaged enough for 113points over a 46game season... Plus beat the English champions at home in the cup quarter final 😅. Edited 16 hours ago by Saint86 7
Saint86 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago (edited) Deleted - wrong thread! Edited 16 hours ago by Saint86
lambtiss Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 3 hours ago, Lighthouse said: This squad is comfortably capable of 100 points. Even with the -4 and competing against relegated teams, we should have enough to make the autos. I'd like to sign another decent striker but it's not critical to our season. Signing another striker is critical to our season 5
VectisSaint Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 22 minutes ago, lambtiss said: Signing another striker is critical to our season I think BBD's performance today demonstrates that need completely. What an absolute waste of space. 15 1
Gloucester Saint Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, manji said: Oh no we are going cheap and relying on Larin all season …. BBD definitely gave a David Speedie-type ‘I don’t want to be here’ display today. He’s off surely. One permanent striker and one loan, possibly one or both contingent on either Archer going to WBA or someone, somewhere thinking Damian Downs could do a job for them (banger racing driver?). Cameron looked lively and keen when he came on so I’m guessing its Downs they want to shift plus BBD if Eustace still wants him, or unless he’s waiting for Derby’s Saudi investment to go for better. 2
SNSUN Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 4 hours ago, trousers said: Signing another decent striker is critical to our season Yep. Even if we kept Archer I'd only want him as the third choice he was last season. We need Larin competition. Not a "second" striker behind Larin, someone as good or better than Larin. Make them work for the spot. I don't know who'd be 3rd choice if Archer left though, unless Downs doesn't have any suitors. We need 3 strikers over a 46 game season plus cups (not including the youth). 7
Pilchards Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago So after watching the game yesterday. Matsuki & Fellows are our right wing options. (Could do with an upgrade like a better Edozie type) Need a striker 100% to share the duties with Larin, BBD to be sold ASAP, Bragg should be first off the bench replacing either Downes or Jander. Manning, Bree, Peretz, THB are 100% starters. Need right back cover if the other two are not even on the bench. (Sugar & Rossy) Replace Charles? Think we might need a squad midfielder especially as Robinson has moved on. And finally AZAZ is to start every game as he creates so much plus once he gets tired Dobbin is perfect in all the extra space with tired legs. 6
Convict Colony Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 17 hours ago, jamesfp1 said: Any solid rumours? Been keeping away from X and Insta. we call that getting banned, what did you do 😁 2
revolution saint Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 20 minutes ago, Pilchards said: So after watching the game yesterday. Matsuki & Fellows are our right wing options. (Could do with an upgrade like a better Edozie type) Need a striker 100% to share the duties with Larin, BBD to be sold ASAP, Bragg should be first off the bench replacing either Downes or Jander. Manning, Bree, Peretz, THB are 100% starters. Need right back cover if the other two are not even on the bench. (Sugar & Rossy) Replace Charles? Think we might need a squad midfielder especially as Robinson has moved on. And finally AZAZ is to start every game as he creates so much plus once he gets tired Dobbin is perfect in all the extra space with tired legs. You could argue that Tonda got Azaz on at exactly the right time yesterday. They were tiring and just gone a goal down so the space was starting to open up a bit. That space wasn’t there in the first half had he been on then Azaz might not have looked quite as good as he did. That said, I would probably be starting him as well. 1
IFHP Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 19 hours ago, gio1saints said: Complacency. Saints were not good enough for automatic last year and start on minus four this year with much stronger new competitor opponents in wolves and West Ham especially. My expectation is another tough long season in which we struggle but make play offs. Then we should be favourites. The sense of injustice that we hope may inspire the players every match is going to be useful but most of all at the end of the season in crunch matches. Inbetween I reckon many teams will use the result v us as a benchmark - and raise their game - they know we could have been in EPL instead of Hull. Not one easy game this year starting with Colchester. This is my take, I think we will make the playoffs but talk of automatic promotion is bit too far. Could even be down to those -4 points why we miss out going to tough to make those up on the top teams. I’d fancy us in the payoffs though
Cuddles Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 8 minutes ago, IFHP said: This is my take, I think we will make the playoffs but talk of automatic promotion is bit too far. Could even be down to those -4 points why we miss out going to tough to make those up on the top teams. I’d fancy us in the payoffs though Disagree. A non-competitive pre-season has left us looking rusty, but we have a great squad. West Ham, Wolves and Burnley will have a different looking squad by September. 1
Fabrice29 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 18 hours ago, revolution saint said: Last season Preston created the third fewest chances in the championship and Ipswich the third highest. Jebbison had played slightly more minutes but not by much and scored one more goal than Azon. So if you’re worried about goals then Azon isn’t your man. By all accounts he’s a pest, can press, link up play and that kind of thing so if you’re looking for a Che Adams type but with less goal output then Azon may well float your boat, Not saying Jebbison is amazing or will be a success but probably more likely to get goals than Azon. There’s an interview on YouTube that the Brentford owner did last season in which he discussed this kind of topic. In it he states that Brentford look for strikers who get lots of chances even if they miss them over ones who are clinical with the little efforts they get. That is the skill they look for.
Matthew Le God Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Cuddles said: Disagree. A non-competitive pre-season has left us looking rusty, but we have a great squad. West Ham, Wolves and Burnley will have a different looking squad by September. Pre-season is about building fitness. A high quality opponent isn't required. Most pre seasons we only play one or two top league European teams and we did that this summer when we played a Bundesliga team. 1
revolution saint Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: There’s an interview on YouTube that the Brentford owner did last season in which he discussed this kind of topic. In it he states that Brentford look for strikers who get lots of chances even if they miss them over ones who are clinical with the little efforts they get. That is the skill they look for. Surprised they haven't been in for Downs or BBD then.
Cuddles Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Pre-season is about building fitness. A high quality opponent isn't required. Most pre seasons we only play one or two top league European teams and we did that this summer when we played a Bundesliga team. So based on yesterday, in your opinion, is our squad not good enough for the top spots? Because to me it looked like we didn't look fit or mentally alert enough.
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