Should Saints sack Tonda?

[revolution saint]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

The players losing any respect they had for him is an issue. As would be the media circus that would follow him around for every press conference and interview.

He'll be banned, sacked for gross misconduct and Saints can move on with a new manager who hasn't tarnished his and the club's reputation. 

He probably will be banned, I agree.  The rest of your argument is supposition.  The media circus moves on, people get rehabilitated all the time and as fans we forgive anything if we're winning.

[BarberSaint]

11 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

He probably will be banned, I agree.  The rest of your argument is supposition.  The media circus moves on, people get rehabilitated all the time and as fans we forgive anything if we're winning.

Given that he seems to have agreed he can be the fall guy, I expect him to fall on his sword as that may mean he gets something from us as a goodwill gesture, we get to make up some pony about morals and depending on how his 'punishment' pans out, he'll be back in a job elsewhere after a while which I expect him to make a success of. As it'll be abroad and I don't see him coming back to England, he can investigate other teams as much as he wants and no-one will even notice.

As long as he takes Salt along with him who, I have no doubt, played the victim card (he could have gone to Parsons and said he can't break the rules) then good riddance.

We can take Will Still back.

Looking forward to see what he can do now Armstrong has gone.

 

[qwertyell]

Obviously he's got to go, and everyone that was part of the conspiracy. 

Couldn't really give two shits about the "morality" of it all - it's the breathtaking incompetence. Rule number one of being a sneaky little fucker: don't get caught. 

And if you do get caught, have a better defence lined up than "what is rules? I no understand English."

He and his circus of Keystone Cops have torpedoed the entire season - with perhaps further damage to carry on into the next one.

That degree of mismanagement shouldn't require any debate: get gone and stay gone.

There's no moving forwards otherwise. 

[Hawkswood]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Absolutely this. 

PR can be spun.  Not by this rabble obviously but......oh yeah......fair enough

[scumbag]

Nah. Double down, stick with, and wind up the puritans. Siege mentality. Maybe a couple of 73 hr 'observations' next season just for the lols. Sing about being evil cheats etc. and embrace it.

[Harry_SFC]

1 hour ago, BarberSaint said:

Given that he seems to have agreed he can be the fall guy, I expect him to fall on his sword as that may mean he gets something from us as a goodwill gesture, we get to make up some pony about morals and depending on how his 'punishment' pans out, he'll be back in a job elsewhere after a while which I expect him to make a success of. As it'll be abroad and I don't see him coming back to England, he can investigate other teams as much as he wants and no-one will even notice.

As long as he takes Salt along with him who, I have no doubt, played the victim card (he could have gone to Parsons and said he can't break the rules) then good riddance.

We can take Will Still back.

Looking forward to see what he can do now Armstrong has gone.

 

Yep. Tonda won't have any issues getting a job in Germany. 

[SaintsLoyal]

I dont see how this is a poll ! clearly his job is totally untenable and he wont be involved in football for longtime if ever again.

[Crab Lungs]

5 minutes ago, scumbag said:

Nah. Double down, stick with, and wind up the puritans. Siege mentality. Maybe a couple of 73 hr 'observations' next season just for the lols. Sing about being evil cheats etc. and embrace it.

I actually don’t mind that, purely for the pantomime villain thing. Love it. Especially considering how righteous and precious oppo fans are.

the spying was a step too far but I do like shithousery. 

[sockeye]

I don't think he will survive the scandal, and if he did, I think the squad would be deeply unhappy.

[wild-saint]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

The sponsors, who prop up our 'Financial Fair Play' status, probably do...

Who P&O ? Like they have a great employment rights reputation. Fucking worse than ours right now 😂😂😂

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Who P&O ? Like they have a great employment rights reputation. Fucking worse than ours right now 😂😂😂

I think you're mixing up P&O Ferries (employee sacking fiasco) and P&O Cruises (Southampton FC sponsor)...?

[Saint Fen]

Who is the most likely manager to get us out of this league. If Tonda he shouldn’t be sacked. 
If the player still accept him then for me he stays. If not he has to go.

I’m on the fence. Originally for me he has to be sacked but take emotion out of it then I’m not sure.

Same with Spors, recruitment with the exception of Downs has been amazing. 

I haven’t voted as it depends on the players. Win a few games at the start and fans are on side. Loose and they’re want him sacked like every other manager. Fans are more fickle then ever these days.

Edited 15 minutes ago by Saint Fen

[Guan 2.0]

No, and for the same reasons I gave in the "Tonda Eckert" forum Discussion. I do worry that the FA will take the decision out of our hands, though: 
 

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Tonda being named in the report was baked into the price when this debate first arose, at least from my personal perspective. 

Will Sacking Tonda make us any more palatable to the Media? No. We will have this hanging over us for the next year, whichever course we decide. 

Will Sacking Tonda Leave us better off in terms of Achieving Promotion next year? Also no. It will make it infinitely harder. Our rivals are probably desperately hoping we make such a move and finish outside the top 8, wasting another year of Parachute Payments. 

Will Sacking Tonda Reinstate us in this year's Play-off Final? No. Nothing can change that at this point, so it's abscence is not a factor. 

And will Sacking Tonda make it more likely that critical Player identification and acquisition will improve? Seeing as Bree returned, Peretz and Larin were regained or loaned in important positions under his watch, again, no.  

For all the hand-wringing moralising in the report, this isn't a Land Baron employing children to work in coal mines. 

Did Tonda try to gain us Maximum Sporting Advantage? Of Course. But so do 1000 teams who break a million rules related to fair play every day. Teams that dive, go down with fake injuries, or (allegedly) financially dope. 

Some people might claim that Tonda has to go, and "It's the Right thing". Be the honest club. 

This approach has never helped us. 

It didn't help when Gabbiadini wasn't offside.

It didn't help when Newcastle exploited Covid rules.

And it didn't help trying to compete in a league containing teams that (allegedly) work outside the agreed Financial structure.  

For the next few days, this is news. Then the World Cup hype begins. Interest in us goes away. 

As long as Tonda is not banned, we quietly get on with the business of retaining as much of the squad as possible, and recruiting where we need to. 

We realise that the chants from away fans are there anyway, get on with it, and aim for the top 8. 

Unless anyone knows of a Top Manager that will come to us in these circumstances? 

 

[Cuddles]

Like a cheating, but very hot, ex...I want him back to get us up.

The performances and general shithousery were on a different level.

In the words of David Guetta:

Too cold for you to keep her, too hot for you to leave her

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

The players losing any respect they had for him is an issue. As would be the media circus that would follow him around for every press conference and interview.

He'll be banned, sacked for gross misconduct and Saints can move on with a new manager who hasn't tarnished his and the club's reputation. 

The players can't really be that angry with him in truth. Not if they engage their brains. Before he came in they were staring at relegation... So they can't really blame him for fluffing up a promotion chance they wouldn't have had without him 🤷 . In summary, they were shit without him, incredible with him, and then he shit the bed and we went full circle... They make a fitting group I'd say.

Edited 3 minutes ago by Saint86