Saints 8 (Eight) Sunderland 0 - Match and Reactions

It was a foul by forster. We would all be seething had a ref not given that to us

Exactly. Anyone with a basic understanding of football and having had the opportunity of seeing the replay would call it as a Penalty. It clearly was.

We were right in line with it and thought at the time that it should have been a penalty but not a sending off. Had that been the case it most probably wouldn't have made much difference to the result because they would still have been playing with the same terrible defence who had no clue how to deal with our attack.

It was a foul by forster. We would all be seething had a ref not given that to us

As was the foul on Long, earlier. But I'm not seething about that.

8-0 helps, of course.

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As was the foul on Long, earlier. But I'm not seething about that.

 

8-0 helps, of course.

Strong shouts for a handball by Sunderland when they won the ball in the build up to that penalty claim. Haven't seen a close enough replay to give a definitive view but swings and roundabouts etc. On another day it could have been a penalty or a Saints free kick on halfway.

A totally brilliant match, that's two games with 8 goals I have seen the other was at The Dell 8-2 vs Coventry.

Well ... I did a lot of gloating today at work!

Just watched the MOTD highlights again. (I've told the wife never to delete it from the Sky Planner.) Pearce says our last biggest win in the Premier League "was against the grey shirts of Man Utd". Is it just me that bothers?

It isn't as if Graham Poll was always correct in every decision he made and that he had an uncontroversial reputation. And it is easy for him to ruminate about the decision from the comfort of his armchair having watched slow-mo video replays. There doesn't appear to be much consideration given to what Marriner would have seen and the speed of the event in real time which determined his decision.

Graham Poll doesn't address the match referee in that article, he addresses Jonathan Pearce, the match commentator over his poor grasp of the laws of the game.

It's equally "easy to ruminate" over articles you don't seem to have actually read.

And secondly, you expect consideration for Mariner because of the "speed of the event in real time" but castigate Graham Poll because he wasn't "correct in every decision he made" even though though the decisions would have also been made at similarly high speed "real time" situations. Right you are then.

It clearly should have been a pen, we got lucky. And we would have still won anyway.

Yeah, Man United were wearing blue and white when we beat them 6-3. Pearce got it wrong.

Graham Poll doesn't address the match referee in that article, he addresses Jonathan Pearce, the match commentator over his poor grasp of the laws of the game.

 

It's equally "easy to ruminate" over articles you don't seem to have actually read.

 

And secondly, you expect consideration for Mariner because of the "speed of the event in real time" but castigate Graham Poll because he wasn't "correct in every decision he made" even though though the decisions would have also been made at similarly high speed "real time" situations. Right you are then.

 

It clearly should have been a pen, we got lucky. And we would have still won anyway.

It obviously wasn't clearly a penalty. The referee had a clear view of it and decided on the basis of what he had seen. From Sunderland's point of view, it is a shame that you weren't refereeing the match, as you are almost certainly better qualified than him

It obviously wasn't clearly a penalty. The referee had a clear view of it and decided on the basis of what he had seen. From Sunderland's point of view, it is a shame that you weren't refereeing the match, as you are almost certainly better qualified than him

Do you honestly not think it was a penalty?

My initial gut instinct was that it was a penalty but I wasn't 100% sure. Which I think is the point Wes is making. If you're not 100% sure then its not "clear cut" IMO. Semantics I guess.

Does a referee have to be 100% sure before giving penalty decisions or do 'the rules' give him leeway to award a penalty based on a percentage certainty?

It doesn't really matter how "clear cut" a penalty is upon fine tooth comb scrutiny. Its how "clear cut" it was to the referee in real time.

We win 8 (eight) - 0 and we're arguing about a decision that went in our favour. Love it!

For those without SKY or those who missed it like me (first video) from 18:20 onwards:

http://www.footballorgin.com/2014/10/premier-league-2014-2015-skysportss.html

My initial gut instinct was that it was a penalty but I wasn't 100% sure. Which I think is the point Wes is making. If you're not 100% sure then its not "clear cut" IMO. Semantics I guess.

 

Does a referee have to be 100% sure before giving penalty decisions or do 'the rules' give him leeway to award a penalty based on a percentage certainty?

 

It doesn't really matter how "clear cut" a penalty is upon fine tooth comb scrutiny. Its how "clear cut" it was to the referee in real time.

The Ref made a mistake

Back to semantics but I guess, but that depends on whether "not being 100% sure" = "a mistake".

Unless the referee comes out and explains why he didn't give it then we'll never know for sure whether he (a) saw clearly what happened, and thus applied the rules incorrectly, or (b) whether he couldn't see clearly what happened and therefore was duty bound to give the benefit of his doubt to the keeper. That said, if the answer is "(b)", I guess one could argue that his "mistake" was not being in the right position to have a more clear cut view of the incident.

Anyway....about time we got back to gloating about the 8-0 win. My grin is still as wide as it was on Saturday!

The Ref made a mistake, it should have been a Pen, we got lucky on this one.

It certainly wasn't a mistake. He just had a different opinion to you. There was nothing eccentric about his decision, it was just one of those occasions where it could have gone either way. There have been far more dubious penalty awards over this weekend. In my opinion, of course.

The Ref made a mistake, it should have been a Pen, we got lucky on this one.

You hardly ever get a penalty for those. The player got his shot away before the challenge, the goalkeeper was making himself big and his momentum took him into the player when the ball was gone. It's one of those strange areas of football where the rules are not enforced to the letter. It happens all the time; a player gets a shot away and is wiped out by someone trying to make a block, but because he almost scored with the shot it isn't considered as a possible penalty. If Fletcher had a chance of getting to the ball it would have been 100% a red card and penalty, but because it was a shot referees don't allow you a 'double chance' by giving a penalty. I'd have been surprised if it had been given.

This has got 0-0 written all over it

:-)

Not sure if this has already been posted...

http://www.footballorgin.com/2014/10/premier-league-2014-2015-southampton-v.html

:-)

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It shouldn't have gone either way

It was a penalty all day long

You are wrong.

Of course could have gone either way, as wasn't given by ref, nor picked up by the linesman, nor particularly surprised players.

It happened very close to where I sit. I had a different view on the day to the motd angle (view in both meanings).

I fully understand the rules, what makes a foul, and the impact of where the ball is etc.

From a side on, close view, pretty level with the incident my view on the day was that it wasn't a penalty. I didn't have that instant worry, looking for the ref thinking it would, or even likely to be given.

It seemed Forster came out assertively, forward ran in, losing control of the ball and they collided. As someone said , in realtime , from the side view, my memory was there was more of forward into Forster / 50:50. I also felt ball was racing out of play.

When seeing the TV angle which IMHO distorts slightly the collision, but does allow you to see ball on play still I can see a much stronger argument that a penalty could have been given.

Even if it was given, it would not have been a sending off. It wasn't a clear obvious goalscoring opportunity. Poll has described it as almost certainly would have scored..he would have scored so no sending off.

Also, I appreciate Poll's comments about ball still in play but there will be some interpretation. Of course ref thinks about where ball is, what's happening, effect of action on the play. The slow motion replay shows ball was in play, could easily have been ref felt collision after player lost control and attack was over.

Having seen TV I would not been surprised or moaned if was given. But fact is, as records show, it wasn't a penalty.

Even if given would still have stuffed them!

Superb video showing how the victory was built

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^^^^Haha...that should be trending very soon (whatever that means).

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Oh ffs Trousers I'm sorry

Oh ffs Trousers I'm sorry

No worries dude.

Seems an odd decision. No one questioned it on the day.

No worries dude.

 

Seems an odd decision. No one questioned it on the day.

What a crock of ****. It clearly took a deflection given the spin on the ball but how can anyone say the shot wasn't going in prior to the deflection as the deflection occurred a split second after the shot was struck. Peculiar.

Very odd decision. I've watched the goals a fair few times now and that didn't cross my mind once.

Just watched it again on the MOTD highlights (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04mm14d/match-of-the-day-20142015-18102014 ). They showed 4 or 5 different angles and it does look like the defender changed the direction of the ball on one of the angles. The keeper also dives the opposite way to the ball which I didn't notice at the time, which is a bit of a giveaway I suppose. Still harsh to deny Mane though IMO.

http://wall.saintsfc.co.uk/Article/843666-GOALS-Southampton-8-0-Sunderland

The behind the goal view makes it look like the correct decision from the Premier League.

Mane's sliced it. Didn't notice that.

What a crock of ****. It clearly took a deflection given the spin on the ball but how can anyone say the shot wasn't going in prior to the deflection as the deflection occurred a split second after the shot was struck. Peculiar.

When I saw the replay of that goal I immediately said to my nipper that I thought it looked more like an own goal

Well, someone better change his Wikipedia page back then

Superb video showing how the victory was built

 

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Great fun, thanks. Is there a better quality version? Mine was very jerky all the way through

shame, still, is three own goals in a game a record?

Just watched it again on the MOTD highlights (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04mm14d/match-of-the-day-20142015-18102014 ). They showed 4 or 5 different angles and it does look like the defender changed the direction of the ball on one of the angles. The keeper also dives the opposite way to the ball which I didn't notice at the time, which is a bit of a giveaway I suppose. Still harsh to deny Mane though IMO.

Absolutely ridiculous decision. I said earlier that Mané was aiming for the other side of the goal but there's no way that was an own goal. His shot was on target and it deflected off the defender's attempted block. Somebody needs to teach these idiots how football works. Does this now mean that every time a shot gets a nick off a defender it's going to be classed as an own goal? Pillocks.

Another example of the anti Saints agenda. Attempting to take the gloss off our win by making it seem that 3 of them were own goals. Rather than this game being played out everytime We play Sunderland like our 7-0 thumping by Leeds in the 70's this game will forever be remembered as the day Sunderland lost by 8 due to a goalkeeper not being sent off, a stonewall pen that never was and 3 own goals instead of the mauling that is was. They really do hate us dont they.

If that is an OG then Cork's was a Keeper OG for certain.

I thought it looked a bit odd when watching the replay on MOTD. Think he opened his body to put it in the right-hand corner and the defender has steered it in the opposite side. Shame. Hopefully he'll bang in his first vs. Stoke.

Another example of the anti Saints agenda. Attempting to take the gloss off our win by making it seem that 3 of them were own goals. Rather than this game being played out everytime We play Sunderland like our 7-0 thumping by Leeds in the 70's this game will forever be remembered as the day Sunderland lost by 8 due to a goalkeeper not being sent off, a stonewall pen that never was and 3 own goals instead of the mauling that is was. They really do hate us dont they.

Strangely the Leeds match that sticks in my mind was the 3-1 win up there where we won with 2 own goals and a penalty...I still remember it but you cannot imagine the immensity of the cluck I still don't give all these years later. Horrible team, loved it! :-)

Strangely the Leeds match that sticks in my mind was the 3-1 win up there where we won with 2 own goals and a penalty...I still remember it but you cannot imagine the immensity of the cluck I still don't give all these years later. Horrible team, loved it! :-)

And in doing so, we stopped them winning the league. Handing it to Everton, who were stuffing Chelsea at the time. The locals were less than friendly after the game when the scores came out.

shame, still, is three own goals in a game a record?

No Sunderland did it against Charlton at home in the early 2000s.

So this was a year ago. What a mental game that was. The first couple of pages of this thread, "we're not really playing well."

Superb video showing how the victory was built

 

[video=youtube;ktDD-JhbT30]

Worth the bump for this alone

So this was a year ago. What a mental game that was. The first couple of pages of this thread, "we're not really playing well."

I'm not even sure we were that great in this game, Sunderland were just pathetically bad.

I'm not even sure we were that great in this game, Sunderland were just pathetically bad.

Sunderland were well on top first half. We got some lucky breaks. 2nd half was very different. Recall Ronald being very unhappy with our first half display.

Still pis sed off with the "Dubious Goals Panel". Harry Kane got several that were really OG's.

This has got 0-0 written all over it

As we moan on about our lack of goals, I thought I'd remind us all that we used to score them. And that Tadic overwhelmingly topped the poll.

1. Now THAT is a defence. Amazing to think we had that back four just three years ago.

2. Mayuka played!