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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Who do you suggest. From what I've seen we do not have a 'speed merchant'. We don't seem to have anyone who can run quite fast.
    Are you forgetting about Shane 'Forrest Gump' Long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    I can actually back this up for once. Have it on very good authority she's trying to take legal action against him.

    My contact has added that Kat is trying to get him out and the club back does that line up with what you have been told LGTL ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    My contact has added that Kat is trying to get him out and the club back does that line up with what you have been told LGTL ?
    So she's going to give him the 200 odd million back then ? Or just take back control for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    My contact has added that Kat is trying to get him out and the club back does that line up with what you have been told LGTL ?
    Tbh don’t think things were any better under her anyway.. all the ambition left with Cortese.. koeman done a amazing job and we carried on nicely for a couple of seasons after that the lack of ambition caught up with us.. don’t think gao is doing anything worse then her..

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    It's all very well Kat potentially buying back in, which seems unlikely, but will the calm and positivity of her return instantly shore up a leaky defence?
    I think Ralph perhaps needs to prioritise what happens on the pitch rather than being sad and distracted by boardroom issues.

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    he'll probably snatch her arm off if she gave him back his 200m what with his current financial state. but what difference would it make to the club if she is going to have her hands tied with the club's previous cunning decisions which have left us in a seemingly untenable financial cesspit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by way down south View Post
    he'll probably snatch her arm off if she gave him back his 200m what with his current financial state. but what difference would it make to the club if she is going to have her hands tied with the club's previous cunning decisions which have left us in a seemingly untenable financial cesspit?
    maybe she has a better buyer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzhugh Fella View Post
    ‪Saints tactics, fanny around with the ball in midfield, pass back to Gunn who hoofs it to Chelsea player on half way line, slick 1-2 then ball in net.....and repeat.‬
    Yeah that's pretty much it. So much sideways passing yesterday hoping for an opening which never came, constant passing back and re-building until the crowd start to jeer, then they lose it and Chelsea cut through us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheaf Saint View Post
    Are you forgetting about Shane 'Forrest Gump' Long?
    No, not forgetting Longy at all. His speed is a bit like the JWP myth, you know the one about him being the greatest set piece taker since, oh I don't know, since JWP. A myth. Suppose Michael O'Bafemi is the nearest we have and yet I think his muscle bulk has diminished his speed somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way down south View Post
    he'll probably snatch her arm off if she gave him back his 200m what with his current financial state. but what difference would it make to the club if she is going to have her hands tied with the club's previous cunning decisions which have left us in a seemingly untenable financial cesspit?
    And those cunning decisions were taken under Kat - you can find fault with Goa for a lot of things; but rocking the boat isn’t one of them. The club’s structures, philosophy and direction of travel are basically the same. If anything, Goa deserves praise for calling time on Bunsen and Beaker.

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    Back in July the Guardian suggested that the option/obligation to buy KL's 20% was about to kick in. Surely the timing is not a coincidence if rumours of strife between them have only emerged since then.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football...room-reshuffle

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    My contact has added that Kat is trying to get him out and the club back does that line up with what you have been told LGTL ?
    I can’t even begin to hope this is true for fear of more disappointment
    But please let it be true !

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    Quote Originally Posted by LGTL View Post
    I can actually back this up for once. Have it on very good authority she's trying to take legal action against him.
    So Kat is surprised that a Chinese bloke who has been linked to an execution, had to take out a state loan to buy her property and they had to change the rules so someone like him could never buy a football club again broke his promise to her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turkish View Post
    So Kat is surprised that a Chinese bloke who has been linked to an execution, had to take out a state loan to buy her property and they had to change the rules so someone like him could never buy a football club again broke his promise to her?
    At least she got on well with his daughter.

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    Ralph should have listened to the fans when things weren't going well and got everyone to just kick the ball as high and as far as possible.
    That is often my favourite bit when we're not playing well, the vocal spectators who favour the Wimbledon 1980s approach.
    Hoofball - the answer to every footballing crisis.

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    Keep the purse strings tied tight we bob about in trouble, flirting with the bottom of the league and the dangers of dropping out of the money spa, making the 20% left to buy cheaper as the value is under threat. Even with a couple of Billion in your pocket the principle over the last few Millions owed matters as Billionaires normally like to keep score. The money is insignificant its the numbers they like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beatlesaint View Post
    I can’t even begin to hope this is true for fear of more disappointment
    But please let it be true !
    Fecking hope it's not true, it was Kat that got us into this mess in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VectisSaint View Post
    Fecking hope it's not true, it was Kat that got us into this mess in the first place.
    you want us to carry on with this **** in charge ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    My contact has added that Kat is trying to get him out and the club back does that line up with what you have been told LGTL ?
    By far and away the most likely scenario here is that Kat is trying to buy the club back from GAO because he has failed to take us to the next level like what he said he would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stknowle View Post
    By far and away the most likely scenario here is that Kat is trying to buy the club back from GAO because he has failed to take us to the next level like what he said he would.


    Can i have whatever you’re on pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    maybe she has a better buyer
    So why canít the buyer buy direct from Gao? Think we all are putting 2+2 and hoping otherwise


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    Quote Originally Posted by Forester View Post
    International break has come at good time as our season needs a major reboot. Looking at our fixtures if we don’t change approach radically we will be in bottom three by end of November, which is when easier set of fixtures arrive. Suggests following:

    - replace Gunn with McCarthy. Needs to regain confidence, Alex is keeping clean sheets in cup and Gunn’s distribution and leadership qualities have dipped.
    - stick with three centre backs, would try Danso alongside today’s two.
    - drop JWP. Not delivering and needs to be taken out for a while.
    - drop Redmond. Not same player since injury.
    - play Boufal behind Ings and Adams and let front two build a partnership.

    And hope Moussa gets fit quickly.
    We are effectively in the bottom 3 now let alone the end of November!

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    Didn't these Kat/Goa rumors start on Cabbage faces Twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post


    Can i have whatever you’re on pal.
    Yes pal!

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    Why would Kat want to buy is back?
    It was clear for some time she wanted shot of the club.

    The state of the ownership cannot be a surprised given the mess of Gao when he finally bought the club and the average fan on here could see he was bad news from the off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingeletiss View Post
    Guess you should do your homework on Southgate and Ward-Prowse, he knows James quite well.
    "They" = plural, used after a semi-colon. Refers to the fans of other teams who rate him. I'd stopped after 'muppet' when talking about Southgate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    Yesterday was a disgrace. JWP is a ****ing myth. there is no substance to the lad. What summed him up for me was defending in the left back position he got a knockdown and played a three yard sideways tap to the nearest red shirt already closed down by opponents. He is a ****ing idiot in football terms. Backwards, sideways, defends like Steven Davis, waves his arms, good at that, otherwise the only doubt yesterday was how high up the Chapel his mythical delivery was going to be. I havent even mentioned his lack of strength and pace.

    PEH seems to have lost his way. As somebody said previously he was standing around in space in the second half. Early in the first half we were attacking well down the left in the last third when he received the ball and played a forty yard ball back to a centre back. The midfield is dire. Romeu does his job well but the other two are a liability. If Hojbjerg played as a pair with Romeu it might work but in my opinion JWP is a waste of space. Time to give Armstrong a go as an alternative.

    Danso allegedly has pace, sooner or later we are going to have to give him a go. Maybe in place of PEH, (unlikely as he is the Captain) Ings is good at what he does but again is not the quickest so needs to be combined with a centre forward with pace. Boufal has looked lively but his end product is still lacking. Maybe
    4-4-2 (we've tried everything and everybody else) With Armstrong/Boufal- Hojbjerg/Danso/ possibly give Slattery a go- Romeu -Redmond as a midfield and try Djenepo/Adams and Ings 10/9

    We have to do something about the lack of pace from midfield together with the obsession within the defence and midfield playing multiple passes sideways and backwards eventually dropping the goalkeeper in it forcing a hurried clearance. Yoshida is one of the biggest culprits. We need to be much more proactive attack wise. Yesterday halftime 3-1 down we needed to take off JWP and put possibly Boufal on then on the hour if we weren't back in the game stck another attacker on or even two and go for it. We didn't made the safe like for like changes, took the wrong players off and lost 4-1 (that worked)

    I don't buy the JWP hype, or the PEH is a midfield playmaker. JWP gave the ball away in the Chelsea half for the first goal. Failed to get close, stood off, Mason Mount for the second and Stood off Mount again before the chip to Alonso for the third. PEH was nowhere for any of the goals except for deflecting the third past Gunn.

    Ralph needs to get a grip and do some radical thinking. More of the same isn't good enough or playing square pegs in round holes, Djenepo at left back. Bertrand is our best left back. I suspect his present problem is in front of him and isn't being sorted. Ralph needs to get it right and chuck his ego down the pan. Even if players faces don't fit if them playing gives us a proper blend then do it.

    We have no blend, that is obvious. The most important thing in any team game is that the sum of the parts provides a real team not a collection of individuals playing their own game.
    I agree. I've said before he's well-coached, but he's not a natural footballer i.e. he doesn't 'get the game' so he's not really a player in my eyes. I do think he's reached his ceiling now and I hope he has a good season so we can sell him (please).

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    I was told there is a boardroom battle going on currently between Kat and Gao .......Kat not happy he hasnt done what he promised with investment , Gao not happy with a woman meddling .

    Very Good source .
    That's a lot of help. Think back to how unsettled the club was before Gao took over. Sounds like it'll be like that, but worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouth View Post
    I agree. I've said before he's well-coached, but he's not a natural footballer i.e. he doesn't 'get the game' so he's not really a player in my eyes. I do think he's reached his ceiling now and I hope he has a good season so we can sell him (please).
    Utter nonsense. Get a grip.

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    I have seen serveral games with RH as a coach in the German Bundesliga over the last years. His first credo was always that his teams run, run, run; against the ball, with the ball, without the ball. Close to the man. It was not always beautiful, but effective and forceful. Not giving up, strong defense. It was difficult to make goals against his teams. And most of his teams were medium in quality, except Leipzig.

    I couldn't see this in the last games, especially yesterday. What is going on?

    But I know RH is hungry for success, he wont give up, let's see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouth View Post
    I agree. I've said before he's well-coached, but he's not a natural footballer i.e. he doesn't 'get the game' so he's not really a player in my eyes. I do think he's reached his ceiling now and I hope he has a good season so we can sell him (please).
    No chance, give it a couple more years and Ward-Prowse will qualify for a testimonial,, hopefully a joint one with Yoshida , two legends of this Premier league era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRM View Post
    No chance, give it a couple more years and Ward-Prowse will qualify for a testimonial,, hopefully a joint one with Yoshida , two legends of this Premier league era.
    If we stay in the Prem for the next few seasons they will have deserved one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stknowle View Post
    By far and away the most likely scenario here is that Kat is trying to buy the club back from GAO because he has failed to take us to the next level like what he said he would.
    No, the most likely scenario is he's trying to get out of his obligation to buy the remaining 20% as agreed and she's taking legal action to force him to pay up.

    Possibly he thought he'd have some mates buzzing to put money in by this point, but none of them do as we look like the team that's playing the worst/slowest football in the Premier League.

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    Playing out from the back is a waste of time with this team. We need to stick with 3 at the back and be very direct and quick with the ball which we can do! Sunday was a complete contrast to that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint_clark View Post
    No, the most likely scenario is he's trying to get out of his obligation to buy the remaining 20% as agreed and she's taking legal action to force him to pay up.

    Possibly he thought he'd have some mates buzzing to put money in by this point, but none of them do as we look like the team that's playing the worst/slowest football in the Premier League.
    This. Sounds like Gao is late/reneging on paying the final 20%.

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    my biggest fear is we won't get to the summer transfer window without being relegated as the january window is too much of a complicated window to use it to plug the gaping holes in the squad. as it is i reckon we'd need a minimum of 3 starting XI players in to be relatively competent. as stupid as player prices currently are it'll only be far worse in january.

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    in my view, we sign a mobile and tenacious cm in jan for whatever and play him alongside rom or hoj or both and play danso alongside maya or bednarek or both and pray that gets us over 18th come the end of the season, and sign whoever else we need in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way down south View Post
    in my view, we sign a mobile and tenacious cm in jan for whatever and play him alongside rom or hoj or both and play danso alongside maya or bednarek or both and pray that gets us over 18th come the end of the season, and sign whoever else we need in the summer.
    We should not have loaned out Harrison Reed , have you seen his performances this season exactly what we need currently

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    We should not have loaned out Harrison Reed , have you seen his performances this season exactly what we need currently
    Yes but he again is too sideways backwards for the way we try and play. Doing well in Championship but doesnít always start


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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    We should not have loaned out Harrison Reed , have you seen his performances this season exactly what we need currently
    yes i saw a few of his games this and last season. thing about him is he certainly gets about the field and makes tackles and interceptions, but one thing he lacks IMO is ability to drive with the ball also as mentioned by one of his previous coaches he lacks positional decipline to be effective in the middle of the park in other words kind of a headless chicken who doesn't know where to be so runs around everywhere. if they can coach that into him at fulham then great as his engine is something special. now lemina had all the tools we are currently desperate for but if the attitude ain't there what can you do? was hoping slattery was the answer but he seems more of a static playmaker which isn't what we need as of now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way down south View Post
    in my view, we sign a mobile and tenacious cm in jan for whatever and play him alongside rom or hoj or both and play danso alongside maya or bednarek or both and pray that gets us over 18th come the end of the season, and sign whoever else we need in the summer.
    Too bad we can't get Lemina to knuckle down and play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaSaint View Post
    Too bad we can't get Lemina to knuckle down and play.
    Indeed. And it's not like the big boys were knocking at our door for him.

    Shame he couldn't have this attitude: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49966966

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    I would be much more tolerant of our sideways backwards ball recycling midfield if every now and then it resulted in a good through ball, a change of pace and the creation of a chance. We go through 90 minutes of this turgidity week in week out and it rarely happens. Ralph needs to sort out what we are trying to do, who is supposed to be transitioning the play - and every now and then we should mix it up either by going long, or actually taking someone on. Boufal is really good at it, and should be in the side ahead of JWP or PEH every week. With Romeu, JWP and PEH we are so plodding and predictable and easy to defend against. The JWP dead ball specialism is a complete myth. Give me the number of free kicks he has and I will find the top corner with one in four. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. And his corners - arm up, ball straight into first defender or ballooned long or to the keeper. Hopeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsbridge Saint View Post
    I would be much more tolerant of our sideways backwards ball recycling midfield if every now and then it resulted in a good through ball, a change of pace and the creation of a chance. We go through 90 minutes of this turgidity week in week out and it rarely happens. Ralph needs to sort out what we are trying to do, who is supposed to be transitioning the play - and every now and then we should mix it up either by going long, or actually taking someone on. Boufal is really good at it, and should be in the side ahead of JWP or PEH every week. With Romeu, JWP and PEH we are so plodding and predictable and easy to defend against. The JWP dead ball specialism is a complete myth. Give me the number of free kicks he has and I will find the top corner with one in four. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. And his corners - arm up, ball straight into first defender or ballooned long or to the keeper. Hopeless.
    I agree with most of this especially the inability of PEH and JWP to run with the ball, even beat an opponent, make runs beyond the strikers, and shoot hard on target, either side of the goal not straight at the goalkeeper, and certainly not into the back of the stand. Along with the back four the three midfielders have been brain washed into aimless short passing going nowhere as a first and only thought. Well they have been found out and opponents are closing down and pinching the ball regularly and it will get worse unless we change tack.

    Against Chelsea without really attempting any astute passes JWP had a 76% accuracy rate. that means he gave away one in four passes attempted. WTF is he doing in the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    I was told there is a boardroom battle going on currently between Kat and Gao .......Kat not happy he hasnt done what he promised with investment , Gao not happy with a woman meddling .

    Very Good source .
    Cabbage face said this to me about 2 weeks ago when I saw him ... funny he got a load of sh1t on here for his itk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crab Lungs View Post
    Cabbage face said this to me about 2 weeks ago when I saw him ... funny he got a load of sh1t on here for his itk
    There might be strife between the two of them, but it's much more likely to be to do with the obligation to buy KL's 20% that has apparently just kicked in.

    If Gao made some contractually mandated commitment to invest funds at the time of the purchase (which it would have to be for KL to try and enforce it) a) why wasn't any mention of this made at the time to mollify fans worried about the new owner, and b) why did club mouthpieces like Krueger immediately start talking about no change in strategy and being self-sustaining at the fans forum and in interviews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemiller View Post
    We should not have loaned out Harrison Reed , have you seen his performances this season exactly what we need currently
    I said that at the time. He might not be a top PL player but he's competition in an area of the squad which is criminally weak. And saying as we got **** all money for Lemina we should have told him to buck his ideas up or rot for a season as well. He's not van Dijk level and we shouldn't have let him bend us over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    I said that at the time. He might not be a top PL player but he's competition in an area of the squad which is criminally weak. And saying as we got **** all money for Lemina we should have told him to buck his ideas up or rot for a season as well. He's not van Dijk level and we shouldn't have let him bend us over.
    Yep, the Lemina situation is ludicrous. We hold most of the cards. Should have been buck your ideas up and play as good as you think you are and you'll get your move. Sulk and you sit out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derry View Post
    I agree with most of this especially the inability of PEH and JWP to run with the ball, even beat an opponent, make runs beyond the strikers, and shoot hard on target, either side of the goal not straight at the goalkeeper, and certainly not into the back of the stand. Along with the back four the three midfielders have been brain washed into aimless short passing going nowhere as a first and only thought. Well they have been found out and opponents are closing down and pinching the ball regularly and it will get worse unless we change tack.

    Against Chelsea without really attempting any astute passes JWP had a 76% accuracy rate. that means he gave away one in four passes attempted. WTF is he doing in the team.

    Redders, val, long, bertand got less than 60%, Hoj was 91.9%.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    I said that at the time. He might not be a top PL player but he's competition in an area of the squad which is criminally weak. And saying as we got **** all money for Lemina we should have told him to buck his ideas up or rot for a season as well. He's not van Dijk level and we shouldn't have let him bend us over.
    Trouble is if he ended up rotting on full pay, and had a negative attitude, you then have a stink about the place and a rotten apple rolling about too!
    He said himself he didn't want to be here.

    I know Man United are no great shakes this season - but the Longstaff boys for the Toon suddenly gave their midfield a bit more solidity. Harrison Reed being the tenacious player he is might have kept Romeu. PEH, and JWP on their toes right now their is very little to worry their names on the team sheet.
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