hasper57saint Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 I see that Dave Jones has just been given the boot by Cardiff. Will Reading now sack their Manager too? Had a lot of respect for Dave. Sorry to hear of his departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 I see that Dave Jones has just been given the boot by Cardiff. Will Reading now sack their Manager too? Had a lot of respect for Dave. Sorry to hear of his departure. why would reading sack their manager..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 I thought he'd get the boot the minute they failed to make the playoff final. Not sure they'll do any better without him but I guess he's failed at the final hurdle twice now and as a result the board want a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 why would reading sack their manager..? Well they lost in the play-offs. Just shows that they must have had an awful season if they can't even win one game. Sack the manager. Only joking of course, but thats 2 managers of play-off teams departed today, Jones and Buckle, says a lot about the current state of English football that coming in the top 6 or 7 dos not constitute success in everyone's eyes. Quite why Buckle left Torquay for The Gas is beyond me. Swapping one small team who have a had a good season for an almost equally small team who have had a mare and are now in the same division. Quite honestly by hanging on I supect Buckle could have done better, he is quite well respected and could probably have found a bigger team in a higher division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Don't fancy Cardiff and Reading as rivals next year, managers or no managers. Could all our nightmares be Blue? Those two plus Brum, Brighton and Pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Well they lost in the play-offs. Just shows that they must have had an awful season if they can't even win one game. Sack the manager. Only joking of course, but thats 2 managers of play-off teams departed today, Jones and Buckle, says a lot about the current state of English football that coming in the top 6 or 7 dos not constitute success in everyone's eyes. Quite why Buckle left Torquay for The Gas is beyond me. Swapping one small team who have a had a good season for an almost equally small team who have had a mare and are now in the same division. Quite honestly by hanging on I supect Buckle could have done better, he is quite well respected and could probably have found a bigger team in a higher division. jones was sacked..he has had a fair crack and has not got cardiff up..depsite have an excellent team....buckle left to join bristol rovers...a bigger club than torquay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Well they lost in the play-offs. Just shows that they must have had an awful season if they can't even win one game. Sack the manager. Only joking of course, but thats 2 managers of play-off teams departed today, Jones and Buckle, says a lot about the current state of English football that coming in the top 6 or 7 dos not constitute success in everyone's eyes. Quite why Buckle left Torquay for The Gas is beyond me. Swapping one small team who have a had a good season for an almost equally small team who have had a mare and are now in the same division. Quite honestly by hanging on I supect Buckle could have done better, he is quite well respected and could probably have found a bigger team in a higher division. Bristol Rovers are a much bigger club than Torquay and have far more potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a Fan Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. I've got a disabled kid and find what he said fairly obnoxious. Glad he never came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 It seems more than coincidence that Cardiff have choked at the end of the season for the past 3 years, Wolves did the same when Jones was there and as has been said by Hoddle's love child we would have gone down that season Lowe put him on "leave" to fight his ridiculous charges. I think Jones is an ok manager, no more than that. He never inspires much confidence when interviewed and you just wonder if thats the case in the dressing room too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 I've got a disabled kid and find what he said fairly obnoxious. Glad he never came back. +1. I do a fair bit of work with Mencap, and was very offended by hoddles comments. Good manager yes, great player yes, c*nt yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. 100% correct..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ben Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 dave jones was the first saints first team manager i had when i was at the club. and when i was on trial at cardiff in 06' absolute gent and hopes he finds something soon. i am sure he will be at west ham shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. Agree with the part in bold. The rest is a different issue and has been done to death before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Dalek you wum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 The rest is a different issue and has been done to death before. I've never heard it. Are you actually saying that the poster has anything to back up his claim that Hoddle would have saved us? I'm all ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Bristol Rovers are a much bigger club than Torquay and have far more potential. Absolutely. Torquay is a very small club and will never have the resources to be a bigger club than it is. Bristol Rovers are developing a new ground and can at the very least aim for the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Had we got to the play offs and failed, wonder what would have happened to our manager? Really don't think that DJ is a bottler or bad manager, the margins are fine when it comes to the business end of any season. Personally I think that it's been handled pretty well - gives all parties a chance to plan for next season. Have seen DJ linked with the likes of WHU already, so I would think that it is highly likely that he wont be out of work for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. What is it you want exactly? A signed picture of him for all your hard work promoting his name on this forum? I'm sure if you go on eBay you can find a cheap 'Diamond Lights' EP. Either way, lay it to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. What's scary is that you actually believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Dalek you wum yep. probably second only to alpine on the wum leaderboard is dalek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 yep. probably second only to alpine on the wum leaderboard is dalek. You do know that 'dalek' is a croatian word meaning 'alien', or 'strange'? I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones got sacked for getting Cardiff close to promotion but not winning the play-offs, so logically, whoever Cardiff appoint as manager should expect to be sacked next year if the team does not win promotion. All or nothing, so how attractive does that make the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyin Posted 30 May, 2011 Share Posted 30 May, 2011 Jones to Reading...stands to reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Jones got sacked for getting Cardiff close to promotion but not winning the play-offs, so logically, whoever Cardiff appoint as manager should expect to be sacked next year if the team does not win promotion. All or nothing, so how attractive does that make the job? Absolutely, except of course you have used the word 'logically' with a football related issue - are you mad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Jones to Reading...stands to reason Well as Reading won't be sacking their manager any time soon...it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Agree with the part in bold. The rest is a different issue and has been done to death before. This. I was about to bold exactly the same part and make a similar comment! What is it that they say about great minds.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Great news for the other 23 clubs. Cardiff won't be as strong as they are know. Stupid fans wanted him gone, and now they will get what they deserve - failure, and more managers getting fired in quick succession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 I suppose it could be claimed that its gone stale at Cardiff with DJ and that a change is best for both. It does annoy me how people on here claim things, like relegation under DJ, with such certainty. All I remember is that DJ had lost a few and the fans were not too bothered that he was suspended/sacked, however we don't know how the season would have turn out. Good luck to DJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 How does that compare? Reading had a great run and the manager impressed. Cardiff spent a lot and had Bellamy, bothroyd and chopra in the championship, they should have gone up. Jones has been there a long time and not got them up. He's done well in spells there, but not surprised they want a change now. Yes agree completely the Reading manager did a really good job in getting his team to Wembley whilst Dave Jones failed yet again with Cardiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 I happened to be at a wedding at the resort where the Cardiff City training ground is on the weekend, and took this very appropriate pic of one of the empty spaces : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 +1. I do a fair bit of work with Mencap, and was very offended by hoddles comments. Good manager yes, great player yes, c*nt yes. Yes to this Don't agree that we'd have gone down with Dave Jones though - whilst he hasn't set the world on fire with titles and cups won his teams have always been competitive often under strained financial resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Yes I thought about West Ham too. Shame more people can't wish him well without harping on about something that happened eons ago. We really need to be looking forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 He's been there for six seasons and has made progress, but ultimately despite having good resources for the division has failed to get promotion. He's not been sacked because of failure this year, it's more that he has taken the club as far as he can. No way of knowing if they will be stronger for taking this decision, probably depends on personnel changes over the summer as much as the new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 I think given all the flak DJ got during his fight against child abuse charges that he is anything but a bottler. If others see him as a bottler, good luck to you. Having lived in Cardiff for ages, I know how much of a bitter blow this season has turned out to be, not least with Swansea getting promoted. That is the ultimate kick in the teeth for Bluebirds fans. I think what has probably done for him this time is not so much the failure to get promoted, but rather the manner in which they failed to get promoted. They actually started the season on fire, but once again this year they fell away when it mattered most. In that respect you could argue they failed to learn the lessons from previous years, although it is by no means a travesty to finish 4th again this year. Overall though I think he has done a good job there when you look at where they have come over the past six years, it's just a shame that he couldn't get them promoted. As a result it's probably best for all parties that he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertsrightleg Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Dalek was having a laugh, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizzie Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Ditto, My AS lad loves going to SMS. He has no idea what the point of it all is but loves the socialising and atmosphere. 3 season tickets would have ceased had Hoddle returned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Hoddle was excellent for us, probably best we have had in a generation. He was probably also the biggest **** Stuart Gray seemed very nice chap. Know which I would prefer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 I think given all the flak DJ got during his fight against child abuse charges that he is anything but a bottler. If others see him as a bottler, good luck to you. Having lived in Cardiff for ages, I know how much of a bitter blow this season has turned out to be, not least with Swansea getting promoted. That is the ultimate kick in the teeth for Bluebirds fans. I think what has probably done for him this time is not so much the failure to get promoted, but rather the manner in which they failed to get promoted. They actually started the season on fire, but once again this year they fell away when it mattered most. In that respect you could argue they failed to learn the lessons from previous years, although it is by no means a travesty to finish 4th again this year. Overall though I think he has done a good job there when you look at where they have come over the past six years, it's just a shame that he couldn't get them promoted. As a result it's probably best for all parties that he left. If DJ had left Cardiff of his own accord or even been allowed to negotiate a 'mutual consent' parting, I could have agreed with the best all round idea, but to inflict the indignity of sacking him is, IMHO, disgusting behaviour. Super_Uwe may well have put his finger on it when he says that Cardiff may have been influenced by Swansea being promoted. The only shame about Dave's time at SFC is how badly he, and Mrs Jones, took the decision by the club to put him on leave when he was having to fight the unfounded accusations that the police were pursuing. It did need all his energy and attention, and must have affected his ability to concentrate on the job, but SFC did not sack him, they gave him leave on full pay, and if he had accepted the decision with better grace he could well have returned. Since then Dave has done well to rebuild his career and I hope he does very well somewhere else so that in due course he can make the appropriate gesture to the Cardiff board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 The odd side to all of this is that he Cardiff fans are now calling for Bellamy to be given the managers job, relegation o'clock anyone? Pity for Jones he has IMO over achieved with Cardiff and this in the end has been his own undoing! Good luck in the future DJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. Wise words! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 The odd side to all of this is that he Cardiff fans are now calling for Bellamy to be given the managers job, relegation o'clock anyone? Pity for Jones he has IMO over achieved with Cardiff and this in the end has been his own undoing! Good luck in the future DJ! any team with Bellamy, Bothroyd and Chopra in the championship should expect promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Jazzbo Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 To be honest I think he'll come out of this ok. He'll get another job in the NPC, and Cardiff are probably at the limit of investment they can make in order to get promoted, players will leave and they could struggle next year. All their fans will be then blaming the Board for sacking him. Of course, I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Don't fancy Cardiff and Reading as rivals next year, managers or no managers. Could all our nightmares be Blue? Those two plus Brum, Brighton and Pompey I can understand Cardiff, Reading and Brum being difficult matches, because they are teams that were in the play-offs, or just relegated from the Premiership. But why are Brighton or the Skates "nightmare" matches for us? Brighton were on a level with us this season, we having taken 4 points playing against them and you might as well have included the Posh as a blue team, who are also promoted with us and Brighton. But Brum are a blue nightmare, having been in the Premiership, but West Ham and Blackpool don't register because they don't wear blue. But the Skates? Why would we fear them? I suspect that many of them will fear playing us far more than the other way about. I'm looking forward to 6 points off them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Jones is a bottler. We would have gone down under his managership. Saints were only saved because of the appointment of Hoddle, who could have saved us again in 2004. However, the vocal minority knew better and sacrificed our premiership status to satisfy their own egos. Wise words! We are talking about the Hoddle who was sacked by England because he wanted to make use of the supernatural as a management tool, the Hoddle who dumped Saints despite them rescuing his career and who came back to the club to take away their best player (although ironically for Hoddle and sadly for Dean Richards, it didn't work out). I recall being on a Red Funnell ferry soon after on a windy day when a pal of mine wasn't feeling too well and asked me to pass the Hoddle Bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 Jones got sacked for getting Cardiff close to promotion but not winning the play-offs, so logically, whoever Cardiff appoint as manager should expect to be sacked next year if the team does not win promotion. All or nothing, so how attractive does that make the job? Very. It's perfectly possible. All three of the promoted teams from the Championship this season were managers in their first full season at their clubs. All three of the promoted teams from the Championship last season were manager in their first full season at their clubs. All three of the promoted teams from League One this season were managers in their first season at their clubs, with Adkins and Ferguson not even full-season appointments. One day people will realise that this idea that "stability" and sticking with a manager to let them bed in and all that guff is just patent rubbish. Swansea have got through four managers in five years, similar turnover to West Ham who were the latest example of the "oh isn't it terrible chop and changing no stability I remember Lawrie Mac got relegated in his first blah blah Sir Alex blah blah". People like to pretend that "there is no such thing as instant success" and that success only comes from letting managers "bed in" and have season after season of failure before they magic into Sir Alex in season five. It's utter, utter garbage. Managers can and do deliver success within a season. Over and over again, at clubs up and down the country. Instant success. By the form of recent seasons, a new man at Cardiff in season one is far more likely to take them up than poor old Dave Jones in season seven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 The only shame about Dave's time at SFC is how badly he, and Mrs Jones, took the decision by the club to put him on leave when he was having to fight the unfounded accusations that the police were pursuing. It did need all his energy and attention, and must have affected his ability to concentrate on the job, but SFC did not sack him, they gave him leave on full pay, and if he had accepted the decision with better grace he could well have returned. What utter boll#cks you trot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 What utter boll#cks you trot out. Not necessarily, I agree with the prof. I don't think that the club had any other choice at that time, but I believe that Dave Jones himself has always said he had no problems with the way that the club treated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 31 May, 2011 Share Posted 31 May, 2011 What is it you want exactly? A signed picture of him for all your hard work promoting his name on this forum? I'm sure if you go on eBay you can find a cheap 'Diamond Lights' EP. Either way, lay it to rest. 1. The fans that protested against Hoddle in 2004 to admit to what they did. 2. To explain why they put the club in jeopardy. 3. To explain why they could not admit to their mistake earlier and to admit they would like to airbrush the whole episode away. Unitl this happens I will continue to hold high the torch of truth for all Saints fans in the future. The reasons for the sad decline of our club must be remembered so that we never make a similar mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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