Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Bench (7 from 10): Gazza, Caulker, Yoshida, Martina, JWP, Davis, Reed, Juanmi, Long, Tadic/JRod* (*can't choose between these two) Add Matthew Targett to make it a choice from 11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Add Matthew Targett to make it a choice from 11? Good spot sir. Knew I'd miss at least one 1st team squad regular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 (edited) Good spot sir. Knew I'd miss at least one 1st team squad regular That second XI of subs wouldn't be a bad team. Gazzaniga; Martina, Caulker, Yoshida, Targett; Ward-Prowse, Reed; Juanmi, S.Davis, Long; Rodriguez I think we now have the best depth we've ever had in the Premier League. Edited 12 August, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Fee of £4 mil? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3195167/Chelsea-midfielder-Oriol-Romeu-set-Southampton-medical-Wednesday-clubs-agree-4m-fee-Spanish-star.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterif true... in Romeu £4.0 mil Juanmi £4.0 mil Cedric £4.7 mil Martina £1.0 mil Clasie £8.0 mil Stek LOAN Caulker LOAN TOTAL £22.7 mil out Clyne £12.5 mil Schneiderlin £25.0 mil Alderweireld TOTAL £37.5 mil ---- REMAINING KITTY : £14.8 mil Seems like a good amount left for Van Dijk. Then, Les Reed can go on a well deserved Holiday with by all accounts a stronger squad (IMO) and no money spent to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 That second XI of subs wouldn't be a bad team. Indeed. I'm starting to get a little tingle of excitement in my loins* again (*too much information?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Assuming that Caulker is going to get regular football and the fact that this guy can play at CB if required, I'm not sure we'll go for VvD. As things stand there's a few clubs interested in Virgil and Celtic will hold out for the highest bidder. I could see a price war between Sunderland, Newcastle, Everton and ourselves and we've never been a club to get involved in that nonsense. We'll have a figure that we're prepared to go to but will walk away if it all starts to get out of hand. I reckon light bends around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbendy Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 This is a good video. Shows him advancing forwards a bit more. Something about the way that he runs and the way that he passes (plus his bald head) reminds me of Zidane... Yes, I know I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Could be possible that its 2 from 3 of Clasie, Romeu and Wanyama rather than all of them playing. Still room for a player like Davis if played in front of a more solid base. Given that Clasie has a 5 year deal and of all the signings we've made, he's the most likely to need a season to adjust and spend time doing what he needs to do to face up to the physicality of the league. I wouldn't be surprised to see him below Romeu, Wanyama and Davis for the season ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Ha! One of the most misunderstood Shakespeare quotes. In the context, 'wherefore?' actually roughly translates as 'why?'. (Juliet is musing about why she had to fall in love with Romeo as opposed to someone more 'suitable'. She is not, as many would believe, leaning over the balcony and asking where he is). I teach some Shakespeare to my Norwegian students and when we get to that phrase, I point out to them that they are more likely to understand it than the average English student, as the Norwegian word for why is still "hvorfor", which translates directly as wherefore. They automatically see it as why". I'm still trying to figure out how A Midsummer Night's Dream qualifies as a comedy. It's because, like all Shakespearean comedies, it has a happy ending. In Shakespeare plays this is almost always a wedding, like in A Midsummer Night's Dream. The alternative is a tragedy, in which the title character always dies, which is a bit of a spoiler for Hamlet, Macbeth, Romeo and Juliet etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Was thinking the same. Something like this as our strongest starting 11...? ----------- Steklenberg --------------- Cedric - Fonte - VvD (stc) - Bertrand ----- Romeu -------- Wanyama ------ -------------- Clasie ------------------- -- Mane -----------------Jrod/Tadic* -- -------------- Pelle --------------------- Bench (7 from 10): Gazza, Caulker, Yoshida, Martina, JWP, Davis, Reed, Juanmi, Long, Tadic/JRod* (*can't choose between these two) Salivating. Clasie running the show, distributing Romeu and Wanyma ruling the MF Fonte and VvD strong last line of defense Cedric and Bertrand bombing down the wings Mane, Pelle and JRod/Tadic doing what they do bench 2 - offensive super sub options galore (choose from : Long, Juanmi, Tadic/Jrod) 1 - backup GK (choose from : Gazza, Forster) 2 - DF (choose from: Caulker, Yoshida, Targett, Martina) 2 - MF ( choose from: Davis, JWProwse, Reed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowder67 Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Good signing for you guys I think. Always thought he was quite good when I saw him play for Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbendy Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Another good vid here. Looks quality - strong, physical, seems to read the game well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 It's funny, I had a feeling last night that a signing might be announced today. This looks like a good bit of business and further more, it demonstrates how the club conduct their business behind the scenes and out of the eyes of the press. Log onto the Sky website and you'll see pretty much every club in the Premiership linked with different players on a daily basis, but Saints are the one club that you don't tend to hear too many rumours about. This is another fine example of this. I don't think we've been linked with Romeu in any press articles? The first we've heard of this is on the day that he's having a medical and is set to sign. This also demonstrates how we shouldn't get all panicky when every other club is being linked with players and we're not. Just because we're not on the back pages being linked with players doesn't mean that we're not working behind the scenes to bring people in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 That second XI of subs wouldn't be a bad team. I think we now have the best depth we've ever had in the Premier League. In history I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Just because we're not on the back pages being linked with players doesn't mean that we're not working behind the scenes to bring people in. Think I'm going to cut that phrase so pasting it will save me some typing next pre-season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Hope he sorts out his hair before he plays for us As in grows some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 (edited) Given that Clasie has a 5 year deal and of all the signings we've made, he's the most likely to need a season to adjust and spend time doing what he needs to do to face up to the physicality of the league. I wouldn't be surprised to see him below Romeu, Wanyama and Davis for the season ahead. Guess you're right. Besides that, playing with 3 DM's and 4 defenders is a bit over the top. I know Koeman likes to think from a defensive point of view but this would get really boring to look at. Romeu will do a good job for the Saints but personally I would prefer a more creative midfielder in order to support the attackers in a better way. Edited 12 August, 2015 by van Hanegem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Good player, he was played quite a bit under Vias-Boas iirc, but then he had that nasty knee injury and never really came back to Chelsea's first team. I don't think he was too bad for them when he played, he became a constant. Always seemed to put in a good shift. He came to chelsea with a huge reputation and has had a very successful loan spell in Germany. This is a good value deal and adds immense depth to the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 if true... in Romeu £4.0 mil Juanmi £4.0 mil Cedric £4.7 mil Martina £1.0 mil Clasie £8.0 mil Stek LOAN Caulker LOAN TOTAL £22.7 mil out Clyne £12.5 mil Schneiderlin £25.0 mil Alderweireld TOTAL £37.5 mil ---- REMAINING KITTY : £14.8 mil Seems like a good amount left for Van Dijk. Then, Les Reed can go on a well deserved Holiday with by all accounts a stronger squad (IMO) and no money spent to get it. You have omitted the 2m we got from Madrid for Toby's buy back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 He also omitted Saints paid Palace a % of the Clyne deal. Its a simplistic way of looking at transfers as it doesn't take into account for example signing on fees, agent fees, other extras and that fees are rarely paid all upfront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 It's funny, I had a feeling last night that a signing might be announced today. This looks like a good bit of business and further more, it demonstrates how the club conduct their business behind the scenes and out of the eyes of the press. Log onto the Sky website and you'll see pretty much every club in the Premiership linked with different players on a daily basis, but Saints are the one club that you don't tend to hear too many rumours about. This is another fine example of this. I don't think we've been linked with Romeu in any press articles? The first we've heard of this is on the day that he's having a medical and is set to sign. This also demonstrates how we shouldn't get all panicky when every other club is being linked with players and we're not. Just because we're not on the back pages being linked with players doesn't mean that we're not working behind the scenes to bring people in. We've been linked with a massive amount of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 if true... in Romeu £4.0 mil Juanmi £4.0 mil Cedric £4.7 mil Martina £1.0 mil Clasie £8.0 mil Stek LOAN Caulker LOAN TOTAL £22.7 mil out Clyne £12.5 mil Schneiderlin £25.0 mil Alderweireld TOTAL £37.5 mil ---- REMAINING KITTY : £14.8 mil Seems like a good amount left for Van Dijk. Then, Les Reed can go on a well deserved Holiday with by all accounts a stronger squad (IMO) and no money spent to get it. Don't forget the Cork money and the fact that money for a CB would have probably been budgeted from last season's transfer activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Good move from Saints to get Wanyama's replacement in so early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le Tissier Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 He is decent. Very similar to Morgan, great signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 if true... in Romeu £4.0 mil Juanmi £4.0 mil Cedric £4.7 mil Martina £1.0 mil Clasie £8.0 mil Stek LOAN Caulker LOAN TOTAL £22.7 mil out Clyne £12.5 mil Schneiderlin £25.0 mil Alderweireld TOTAL £37.5 mil ---- REMAINING KITTY : £14.8 mil Seems like a good amount left for Van Dijk. Then, Les Reed can go on a well deserved Holiday with by all accounts a stronger squad (IMO) and no money spent to get it. That is a decent window by all accounts on paper, just remains to be seen how our Schneiderlin-less team performs in the long term! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Net transfer spend is one of my pet hates. It's nonsense. We spent 30m on a training ground, that didn't come from nowhere. We are quite possibly over provisioned on wages and making some of that up with yearly transfer profit. We just don't know so to suggest you take the out's, then minus the ins and the rest of the money is just sat waiting to be spent is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 (edited) We've been linked with a massive amount of players. Have we? Who? I don't think we have. Nobody had linked us with Romeu. I check Sky sports and the BBC websites on a daily basis and we're one of the least mentioned teams on there. Sure, if you look at transfer rumour websites then I'm sure we're mentioned on a regular basis but those sites are a load of ********. I'm sure they simply create rumours in the hope that a percentage of them will come good. Clubs like Stoke, Villa, Palace, Newcastle seemed to be mentioned on the SKY site every day and with every player that's available. Even if you look at the regional papers round-up on the SKY sports page there is rarely anything about Saints in there. There's often more from the likes of Reading, Bolton and Derby than Saints. Edited 12 August, 2015 by Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 I'm convinced they time these relatively obscure announcements just before a player signing announcement just to keep us on our toes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Guess you're right. Besides that, playing with 3 DM's and 4 defenders is a bit over the top. I know Koeman likes to think from a defensive point of view but this would get really boring to look at. Romeu will do a good job for the Saints but personally I would prefer a more creative midfielder in order to support the attackers in a better way. It's not that much different from how we set up with Schneiderlin and Wanyama. How did RK do things with Feyenoord? The question is whether the two DMs -and from what I've seen of Romeu, he's even more defensive than Wanyama- allows us to roll the dice a bit more with the third CM, whether we have to go with Davis and JWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 18, but your point still stands. With 2 long term injuries, its only 5 not in match day squad each week, injuries and suspensions will take care of most of that. We do technically still have "Sick-note" Ramirez as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 (edited) He is decent. Very similar to Morgan, great signing His mobility and to some extent range of passing are nothing like Morgan's -and there'sno reason they should be. Edited 12 August, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Have we? Who? I don't think we have. Nobody had linked us with Romeu. I check Sky sports and the BBC websites on a daily basis and we're one of the least mentioned teams on there. Other clubs like Stoke, Villa, Palace, Newcastle seemed to be mentioned every day and with every player that's available. We've been linked with a lot of players, but it's telling that most of our deals have come completely out of nowhere. Cedric, Juanmi, Martina and Romeu. None of them really linked with us until they were having medicals. It's pretty clear the majority of links are fuelled by agents getting their clients' names in the press, rather than there being genuine interest from our end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 £5m according to BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 BBC are saying a fee of £5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Have we? Who? I don't think we have. Nobody had linked us with Romeu. I check Sky sports and the BBC websites on a daily basis and we're one of the least mentioned teams on there. Other clubs like Stoke, Villa, Palace, Newcastle seemed to be mentioned every day and with every player that's available. Well masses this summer but off the top of my head: song, vilhena, that bloke from Barcelona that villa just signed, Austin, krychowiak, chambers, Elia, praet, imbula, gueye, vlarr, benassi. That's only the ones I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 (edited) Was thinking the same. Something like this as our strongest starting 11...? ----------- Steklenberg --------------- GK Cedric - Fonte - VvD (stc) - Bertrand DEF ----- Romeu -------- Wanyama ------ DM -------------- Clasie ------------------- CM -- Mane -----------------Jrod/Tadic* -- AM -------------- Pelle --------------------- STR Bench (7 from 10): Gazza, Caulker, Yoshida, Martina, JWP, Davis, Reed, Juanmi, Long, Tadic/JRod* (*can't choose between these two) Like this. Now a christmas tree formation (4-2-1-2-1). Agree your personnel, and also recognise the dilemma over J-Rod/Tadic. J-Rod needs to get in the box more to play his own game, and Tadic needs to get more involved. The rest of the team picks itself. Edited 12 August, 2015 by the saint in winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 His range of passing is nothing like Morgan's -and there'sno reason it should be. saw the obligatory video on him and he seems very accomplished and assured on the ball should fit in well i hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 I prefer these 'all touches' type videos. It gives you a better sense of what the player is about then a few cherry-picked highlights: If he can reproduce the stuff shown in the video, then he really does look a very good DM, and very much in the mould of Morgan. Comfortable with the ball, likes to bring the ball out of defence, available to help team-mates and to start off attacks, even some Morgan-esque passes. Apart from having a little less style than Morgan (that certain je ne c'est quoi) and an apparent lack of attacking play, he really looks like what I imagine he is meant to be, the replacement for Morgan. I like the look of Clasie, but I don't think he is meant to be Morgan's replacement, more of an alternative in the more advanced role in MF currently occupied by Davis and JWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Given that Clasie has a 5 year deal and of all the signings we've made, he's the most likely to need a season to adjust and spend time doing what he needs to do to face up to the physicality of the league. I wouldn't be surprised to see him below Romeu, Wanyama and Davis for the season ahead. Having seen his ability to ping quick passes through the midfield lines against Feyenoord, and the way he was bullied by teenage Chelsea Hair Bear Bunch wannabes against Vitesse, I think a more advanced role where he picks passes isn't entirely out of the question, with the opportunity for him to sit deeper in his previous role when necessary. Then again we might just have 3 DMs rotating into the 2 DM slots and use Mane and one other somewhere across the midfield behind Pelle, at which point I can start another argument about us not using 4-3-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 It's not that much different from how we set up with Schneiderlin and Wanyama. How did RK do things with Feyenoord? The question is whether the two DMs -and from what I've seen of Romeu, he's even more defensive than Wanyama- allows us to roll the dice a bit more with the third CM, whether we have to go with Davis and JWP. Koeman's tactics at Feyenoord were simple: all balls to Pelle... As we got some problems with defending at the end of Koeman's stay at Feyenoord, he played a system with 5 (!) defenders: De Vrij, Martins Indi, Janmaat, Kongolo and Mathijssen. It was unheard of in the Eredivisie, later on van Gaal copied this system for the WC 2014 where Holland made it to the semi final. As you know it wasn't worth watching... JWP or Davis are not the creative players I had in mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 I think if this is Morgan's replacement and Clasie is being seen as more of an upgrade/replacement for Davis then I'm pretty happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 (edited) if true... REMAINING KITTY : £14.8 mil Seems like a good amount left for Van Dijk. Didn't we also get some money from AM for Toby ? *Noticed that Fitzhugh mentioned the same. Edited 12 August, 2015 by VectisSaint * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Didn't we also get some money from AM for Toby ? Yeah, and the net profit from last years dealings...although that might have bee used for Osvaldo payoff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewanyamasfcs Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Well masses this summer but off the top of my head: song, vilhena, that bloke from Barcelona that villa just signed, Austin, krychowiak, chambers, Elia, praet, imbula, gueye, vlarr, benassi. That's only the ones I remember. I think he meant in the past week or so. It's been very quiet in the papers. Quite obvious that we were working on something and not just sat on our arse, like some people suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 I think he meant in the past week or so. It's been very quiet in the papers. Quite obvious that we were working on something and not just sat on our arse, like some people suggested. Why would he just be referring to the past week? It's not what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Having seen his ability to ping quick passes through the midfield lines against Feyenoord, and the way he was bullied by teenage Chelsea Hair Bear Bunch wannabes against Vitesse, I think a more advanced role where he picks passes isn't entirely out of the question, with the opportunity for him to sit deeper in his previous role when necessary. Then again we might just have 3 DMs rotating into the 2 DM slots and use Mane and one other somewhere across the midfield behind Pelle, at which point I can start another argument about us not using 4-3-3. I was assuming that we would still have the 2 DM's (Wanyama and Romeu) with Davis/Clasie or JWP being the more advanced CM as part of the 3 behind Pelle. Based on where Clasie is at the moment, I would suggest that he could spend some time at least behind Davis as he is far fitter and more mobile at the moment and can slot into one of the 2 DM positions much easier. JWP, I still don't really have a clue about position wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbendy Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Watch this move at 8:53 If he does that for us I'd be chuffed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbendy Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Try again: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 12 August, 2015 Share Posted 12 August, 2015 Why does any signing have to be labelled as the 'ex-player replacement'? I really couldn't give a **** which of Clasie or Romeu are the "Morgan replacement". How about we just let players get on being themselves as opposed to attaching them with labels from the very outset of their career at the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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