ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 He's only our best defender if he plays to, or close to, his full capacity. I don't think he's been bad since returning, but he's hardly been the colossus we've seen in the past. I don't think we should sell him at a cut price, or to Liverpool at any price, but I'm doubtful how big an asset van Dijk is going to be if we are in a relegation scrap. Is he going to put his body on the line for the team at a crucial moment in a crucial match? It seems to me that he could be one of the reasons that we may be in a relegation battle as he is just going through the motions and not trying. I watched him closely during the Leicester match on TV and it seemed pretty obvious, especially with his "shot" on goal! If you can find a rerun of the game check him out. It seem to me that people see something in their imagination and to suit their current mood re the team, personally i see no difference to anyone other player in that things are not right with the team at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 It seem to me that people see something in their imagination and to suit their current mood re the team, personally i see no difference to anyone other player in that things are not right with the team at present.I'm now in the weird situation of having to agree with always- it makes a change when he actually discusses the team rather than bashing people for having a different opinion. Vvd came back from a serious injury and I haven't seen anything from him on the pitch that suggests he isn't really bothering. Like all players they have good abd bad patches of form. I expect the team being weaker than when he was last in it has been a bit demoralising bit as far as on pitch performance I think he's been professional. I'd still sell him in January and use the money to reinforce other areas where we clearly need some extra help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 Personally think VVD is looking worse as the tactics have taken away his ability to stride forward out of defence with the ball. He will now often just play a pass to either wing back. Basically he has become a little less eye catching he hasn't become a worse player. I do however feel sometimes he looks a bit languid which doesn't help the perception of him being a lazy so n so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 I'm now in the weird situation of having to agree with always- it makes a change when he actually discusses the team rather than bashing people for having a different opinion. Vvd came back from a serious injury and I haven't seen anything from him on the pitch that suggests he isn't really bothering. Like all players they have good abd bad patches of form. I expect the team being weaker than when he was last in it has been a bit demoralising bit as far as on pitch performance I think he's been professional. I'd still sell him in January and use the money to reinforce other areas where we clearly need some extra help. Bit rich hypo when you spend lots of time in the "lets hound Sadoldgit posse" but i think that`s more about you wanting to be popular with some posters and that group in particular. Anyway back to vvd, we need to reinforce our squad not weaken it further and by selling him we would do just that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 Bit rich hypo when you spend lots of time in the "lets hound Sadoldgit posse" but i think that`s more about you wanting to be popular with some posters and that group in particular. Anyway back to vvd, we need to reinforce our squad not weaken it further and by selling him we would do just that.. That's a laughable opinion regarding soggy. It's easy to see how he has followed me around the forum for years, mentioning me in posts when I haven't spoken about him at all. Clearly it's something he gets off on but this is going off topic. We have an adequate defence without vvd, certainly more than enough to keep us up. If selling him allows us to bring in some more attacking quality that we clearly lack then I'd be more than happy to do so, particularly because he will be leaving in the summer anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 That's a laughable opinion regarding soggy. It's easy to see how he has followed me around the forum for years, mentioning me in posts when I haven't spoken about him at all. Clearly it's something he gets off on but this is going off topic. We have an adequate defence without vvd, certainly more than enough to keep us up. If selling him allows us to bring in some more attacking quality that we clearly lack then I'd be more than happy to do so, particularly because he will be leaving in the summer anyway. No sale until the summer for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 It would not surprise me if the club sells VVD in January, especially with Pellegrino equivocating in the media when he’s asked about it. The club sold Fonte during the last January window. We’ll see how he performs on Saturday assuming he’s picked. Against Chelsea I thought that we missed his leadership defensively. He’s good at organizing the defenders around him, and there were times that it looked a little panicky. As to whether or not he can be arsed to put an effort in, there were some implications in the media that he was dropped for lack of effort but I think Pellegrino also said he was being rested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 Bit rich hypo when you spend lots of time in the "lets hound Sadoldgit posse" but i think that`s more about you wanting to be popular with some posters and that group in particular. Anyway back to vvd, we need to reinforce our squad not weaken it further and by selling him we would do just that..Highly unlikely we will spend without selling first . Although I wouldn't blame Gao for pocketing the money anyway after Les and Kat screwed him on the Saints sale . Our value must be dropping like a stone right now . Sent from my SM-G925I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 As to whether or not he can be arsed to put an effort in, there were some implications in the media that he was dropped for lack of effort but I think Pellegrino also said he was being rested. Do centre backs need to be rested? keeper apart, they do the least amount of running. Aside from that, he's hardly played. Sounds like bull**** to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 It seem to me that people see something in their imagination and to suit their current mood re the team, personally i see no difference to anyone other player in that things are not right with the team at present. Thanks for lumping our opinions together. Do you think van Dijk has been our best player since he's been back? I don't. There may be reasons for it - i.e. recovering from injury, whole team playing poorly, tactics etc, but he isn't currently playing like our best player. That was the only point I was making really, though I should have added, as Hypo says, that it's only worth considering selling if we invest in other important areas. No point spending the second half of the season admiring our bank account. I don't think the questions I am asking are unreasonable, and certainly not the same as saying "van Dijk is going through the motions and is the reason we are in a relegation battle"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 Thanks for lumping our opinions together. Do you think van Dijk has been our best player since he's been back? I don't. There may be reasons for it - i.e. recovering from injury, whole team playing poorly, tactics etc, but he isn't currently playing like our best player. That was the only point I was making really, though I should have added, as Hypo says, that it's only worth considering selling if we invest in other important areas. No point spending the second half of the season admiring our bank account. I don't think the questions I am asking are unreasonable, and certainly not the same as saying "van Dijk is going through the motions and is the reason we are in a relegation battle"! No offence meant sorry and regarding VVD, no i don`t but also dont think he has been as bad a some make out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 No offence meant sorry and regarding VVD, no i don`t but also dont think he has been as bad a some make out I tend to agree with that. I thought he was excellent against Newcastle (I was at the game) but most people slated him. But is he any better than our other defenders at the moment? And therefore, if Man City offered £50m for Yoshida in January would you take it? Essentially that's my point - you might say no even to that, because we need all the 'good' players we can get, or maybe you think the scenario is different in that it's only a matter of time before van Dijk starts playing brilliantly again. On the other hand, there is an argument that Yoshida/Hoedt/Stephens can do equally well as a 90%-effort VVD and therefore better to use the money somewhere else in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 No sale until the summer for me..It's a cost benefit analysis. We won't be making any significant signings in my opinion as we aren't flush with cash so I'd rather we sold vvd which would enable us to strengthen. We have a fair amount of depth at cb compared to other positions and I'd rather play the likes of Stephens as he seemed good last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 Put it this way. Presuming we don't have some sort of injury crisis, I doubt very much that keeping vvd for another six months will be the difference between relegation or survival. I think a much bigger bearing on that outcome will be what attacking players we get in and if selling vvd will allow us to bring in a better calibre of attacking player- as I believe it would do- then for me it is well worth selling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 Mnf with Carra and Jt doing their best to get Vvds price down I saw ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 Mnf with Carra and Jt doing their best to get Vvds price down I saw ! That analysis was interesting and got at gnawing sense we all have that he's not quite 100%. Not sure about their choice of clips, though: everyone was crap against Leicester and the City goal came after 94 minutes of expert defending led by Van Dijk. Put it this way. Presuming we don't have some sort of injury crisis, I doubt very much that keeping vvd for another six months will be the difference between relegation or survival. I think a much bigger bearing on that outcome will be what attacking players we get in and if selling vvd will allow us to bring in a better calibre of attacking player- as I believe it would do- then for me it is well worth selling him. Agreed. We've got the squad to cope without him, even if we play three at the back more regularly. The only concern I'd have is team spirit, mentality etc. We're lacking in that department at the moment and he's our only genuine winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 December, 2017 Share Posted 19 December, 2017 Rumour of David Luiz to Arsenal could clear way for VVD to Chelsea imho Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 20 December, 2017 Share Posted 20 December, 2017 Mnf with Carra and Jt doing their best to get Vvds price down I saw ! Has done that himself recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 December, 2017 Share Posted 20 December, 2017 Yoshida thinks he's improved if that's any kind of indorsement! http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/11178764/virgil-van-dijk-has-regained-confidence-at-southampton-says-maya-yoshida Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 20 December, 2017 Share Posted 20 December, 2017 Rumour of David Luiz to Arsenal could clear way for VVD to Chelsea imho Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Perhaps it's already a done deal which meant that he had to sit out the recent game against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 21 December, 2017 Share Posted 21 December, 2017 This article from the BBC claims Man City have opened talks with us over VVD: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42439000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 21 December, 2017 Share Posted 21 December, 2017 If we need to generate funds to finance the needed areas to strengthen, then VVD would be the one to release. We also have other options for CB so it wouldn't weaken it particularly. (yeah yeah, no one else is as good as VVD and all that ..) Only if we don't need to sell would I want to keep him. But even then, there is a bad apple in the barrel question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 21 December, 2017 Share Posted 21 December, 2017 If we need to generate funds to finance the needed areas to strengthen, then VVD would be the one to release. We also have other options for CB so it wouldn't weaken it particularly. (yeah yeah, no one else is as good as VVD and all that ..) Only if we don't need to sell would I want to keep him. But even then, there is a bad apple in the barrel question. A fit and charging VVD I agree but the one we have seen this season? Take the money and buy more needed areas but would we trust this manager with any of it? Back 3 of Hoedt,Yoshida, Stephens with Cedric/Bertand/McQueen is ok with Hojberg, Romeu and Lemina protecting. Goalkeeper, advanced midfielder that can shoot and pass plus another scoring mobile forward and we should be ok. Improve on Redmond, Tadic, Davis and Ward-Prowse is vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 21 December, 2017 Share Posted 21 December, 2017 a massive bagful of money AND a couple of good players and its a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 21 December, 2017 Share Posted 21 December, 2017 a massive bagful of money AND a couple of good players and its a deal. Recon Pep will throw in Foden on loan as part of the deal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 21 December, 2017 Share Posted 21 December, 2017 Recon Pep will throw in Foden on loan as part of the deal ? Why on Earth would we want in untested youth team player on loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 21 December, 2017 Share Posted 21 December, 2017 Every time Wijaldham tweets ...Virgil likes it. Personally think he’s off to City for big bucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 December, 2017 Share Posted 21 December, 2017 This article from the BBC claims Man City have opened talks with us over VVD: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42439000 In the context of the article I think it means Guardiola's spoken to City executives, rather than them to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 This article from the BBC claims Man City have opened talks with us over VVD: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42439000 If thats the case his I would force City to pay around £70m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 City will now go for Evans whose just said he wants to go in Jan. They only need back up till Stones is fit, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 Just hurry up and get rid get the funds in and strengthen across the team preferably a mane type player and some more potency up front..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 City will now go for Evans whose just said he wants to go in Jan. They only need back up till Stones is fit, They’re not interested in him now apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 City will now go for Evans whose just said he wants to go in Jan. They only need back up till Stones is fit, They need much more than back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 City will now go for Evans whose just said he wants to go in Jan. They only need back up till Stones is fit, Not true. They want a long term replacement for Kompany, Virgil fits the bill perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 City will now go for Evans whose just said he wants to go in Jan. They only need back up till Stones is fit, Van Dijk would suit City very well imo and then once Stones is fit, he'd be VvD's back-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 Should he? yes. Has he been? yes. he'll soon get his dream move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 Should he? yes. Has he been? yes. he'll soon get his dream move.Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 Should he? yes. Has he been? yes. he'll soon get his dream move.Barnsley? Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 Should he? yes. Has he been? yes. he'll soon get his dream move. Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 Should he? yes. Has he been? yes. he'll soon get his dream move. Any news on whether the Chinese Will reinvest the funds or use it to pay off some of the debt they took on in buying the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 Liverpool just gave up 3 goals in 5 minutes to Arsenal, and the commentators rightly pointed out that they need a CB. They will be all over VVD in 2 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 Liverpool? They are desperate for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 They are desperate for him. Should sell him to City, anyone but Liverpool unless they are £15/20m above the asking price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 22 December, 2017 Share Posted 22 December, 2017 I think that we will retain until the summer, unless there has been a big hissy fit behind the scenes which we wouldn’t know about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 December, 2017 Share Posted 23 December, 2017 Liverpool just gave up 3 goals in 5 minutes to Arsenal, and the commentators rightly pointed out that they need a CB. They will be all over VVD in 2 weeks. Just my opinion, but from what I've seen of Liverpool this season (and we get every game shown multiple times here in Oz), if they had signed VVD in the summer, the would be up there with City. If they had played fair with us, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted 23 December, 2017 Share Posted 23 December, 2017 Just my opinion, but from what I've seen of Liverpool this season (and we get every game shown multiple times here in Oz), if they had signed VVD in the summer, the would be up there with City. If they had played fair with us, that is. I don't think so. Their forward line is up there with City's, but their midfield lacks defensive solidity and although good creatively they're not a patch on de Bruyne and Silva. If you take away Clyne their fullbacks aren't that good and their keeper sucks. They have a massively unbalanced squad with too many quality forwards to keep happy and a lack of options everywhere else on the pitch. Signing VVD would probably have got them another five or six points but they'd still be miles behind City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 December, 2017 Share Posted 23 December, 2017 We all thought the same when Liverpool signed Lovren. He turned out to be poor. Personally, I don't think VVD is world class. He won't make a massive difference to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 23 December, 2017 Share Posted 23 December, 2017 We all thought the same when Liverpool signed Lovren. He turned out to be poor. Personally, I don't think VVD is world class. He won't make a massive difference to them. I think at his best he’s one of the world’s finest defenders. He will make a massive difference to Liverpool and I really hope he goes anywhere but there Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 23 December, 2017 Share Posted 23 December, 2017 Yes, get rid as soon as....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 December, 2017 Share Posted 23 December, 2017 Every VVD story I read seems to be an attempt to convince Saints that they will need to lower their asking price. Call me naive, but my impression was that we weren't looking for a buyer or provided an asking price. If someone wants him they will have to make an offer too good to refuse. In todays market that is a **** load of money. If the likes of LFC cant afford him and City are unwilling to make such an offer that is not our problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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