SuperSAINT Posted 23 January, 2019 Share Posted 23 January, 2019 Hope Cedders goes for a fair whack then Yeah, that's come from out of nowhere (a bit like the Hoedt deal). I'd assume it'll be a loan. But lets see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 23 January, 2019 Share Posted 23 January, 2019 Yeah, that's come from out of nowhere (a bit like the Hoedt deal). I'd assume it'll be a loan. But lets see what happens.Don't see why Saints would be very keen on a loan: 1. Cedric would need replacing (whereas Hoedt doesn't) and from all the "long term, young player" chat we would have to pay a fee 2. His contract is up in 18 months so value diminishing. Now the optimal time to sell even if for a reduced price. 3. He is a long term signing for someone I think, rather than a short term punt and unlike Darmian would be on affordable wages for a side like Inter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 January, 2019 Share Posted 23 January, 2019 Don't see why Saints would be very keen on a loan: 1. Cedric would need replacing (whereas Hoedt doesn't) and from all the "long term, young player" chat we would have to pay a fee 2. His contract is up in 18 months so value diminishing. Now the optimal time to sell even if for a reduced price. 3. He is a long term signing for someone I think, rather than a short term punt and unlike Darmian would be on affordable wages for a side like Inter. Certainly hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 January, 2019 Share Posted 23 January, 2019 As usual we seem to be sorting out the departure before we lock down the arrival. We always seem so efficient on that side of the transaction. Let's hope we don't get caught short yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 January, 2019 Share Posted 23 January, 2019 As usual we seem to be sorting out the departure before we lock down the arrival. We always seem so efficient on that side of the transaction. Let's hope we don't get caught short yet again.Good point. You would hope that with Les out of the way we may find acquisitions easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 23 January, 2019 Share Posted 23 January, 2019 As usual we seem to be sorting out the departure before we lock down the arrival. We always seem so efficient on that side of the transaction. Let's hope we don't get caught short yet again. You say that but these Maehle links have been pretty strong. Could easily be a case of him being ready for the second Cedric goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 23 January, 2019 Share Posted 23 January, 2019 As usual we seem to be sorting out the departure before we lock down the arrival. We always seem so efficient on that side of the transaction. Let's hope we don't get caught short yet again. This would be my worry too. I don’t really have a problem with selling Cedric in the circumstances, but only if we have a player ready for first team definitely coming in at right back. It’s an issue with this “sell before you buy policy” that we operate that if the replacement is not sewn up already, the prospective selling club will be in a good position to demand more from us and potentially play us off against other buyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 January, 2019 Share Posted 23 January, 2019 You say that but these Maehle links have been pretty strong. Could easily be a case of him being ready for the second Cedric goes.Yes but if you remember there were similarly strong links with Walcott last January and then a load of cbs the yeat before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 As usual we seem to be sorting out the departure before we lock down the arrival. We always seem so efficient on that side of the transaction. Let's hope we don't get caught short yet again. That's true, CB, but it's not necessarily the fault of the people at the sharp end, doing the deals. They are probably under strict instructions from the owners that they can only buy players after they have secured the amount they need from player sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefScummer Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 The wage bill must be huge 25 man squad averaging £40k p/w Then all the other management /staff etc Our wage bill is 52% of our total income. 9th highest in the league. So not too bad. Smaller clubs than us get by with higher wages and still spend more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Smaller clubs than us get by with higher wages and still spend more. Can you give some examples with evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 As usual we seem to be sorting out the departure before we lock down the arrival. We always seem so efficient on that side of the transaction. Let's hope we don't get caught short yet again. Otherwise we end up with the likes of Forster not in the squad but earning crazy money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Our wage bill is 52% of our total income. 9th highest in the league. So not too bad. Smaller clubs than us get by with higher wages and still spend more. I thought it was 62% https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-03-23/st-marys-football-group-limited-201617-financial-results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 We've already been managed without Cedric. He's been back up or left back for whatever reason. Valery has done ok. Targett played there pre season. It would be a weak spot but Cedric wasn't playing well there anyway. Yoshida and Stephens have also played there. Not ideal if he's sold and not replaced but it's not the end of the world either. It would be nice to think it was funding a replacement though... Will we get moustache compensation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 It would be nice to think it was funding a replacement though... Will we get moustache compensation? That's an add on to any fee I'd have thought, along with the royalties for his song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 That's an add on to any fee I'd have thought, along with the royalties for his song. It certainly LOOKS like an add-on. Perhaps something from a joke shop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 As usual we seem to be sorting out the departure before we lock down the arrival. We always seem so efficient on that side of the transaction. Let's hope we don't get caught short yet again. Again? The last time we go caught short it buying Gunn before shifting Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Have to say I'm quite relaxed about this transfer window, other than getting a RB in should Cedric leave I don't think we need anyone else in at this stage. I think it will be a different story in the Summer when Ralph will be looking to shape the squad more to his liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Again? The last time we go caught short it buying Gunn before shifting Forster. Exactly. We buy before we sell “**** sake Saints, now we can’t shift Player X as team know we are desperate to get rid, done it the wrong way round!!” We sell before we buy “**** sake Saints, now we can’t get a replacement in for Player X as team know we are desperate to buy, done it the wrong way round!!” [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 (edited) We'll be alright. Eden Hazard is out of favour at Chelsea! Only joking! Edited 24 January, 2019 by hasper57saint Additional text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 News on a couple of players from Transfer windows past.... - Jordan Lukaku to join Newcastle on loan from Lazio - Victor Moses having medical at #Fenerbahce ahead of loan from #Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Have to say I'm quite relaxed about this transfer window, other than getting a RB in should Cedric leave I don't think we need anyone else in at this stage. I think it will be a different story in the Summer when Ralph will be looking to shape the squad more to his liking. I think we need to get as many in as possible before Ralph buggers off to Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 I'm relatively relaxed but I still can't help think we do need another attacker with pace. Without Ings/Redmond we would be significantly weaker going forward; we're incredibly reliant on those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 News on a couple of players from Transfer windows past.... - Jordan Lukaku to join Newcastle on loan from Lazio - Victor Moses having medical at #Fenerbahce ahead of loan from #Chelsea Didnt realise that Fenerbache, one of the top Turkish clubs, are candidates for relegation this year. Presume they still have money though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Never totally understood the Cedric hate. He was one of our stand out players in 16/17. He hasn't hit that level of performance since, but when you look at our defence player by player (pre-Ralph), who has? His perceived drop off in form wasn't singular to him, it was a squad-wide issue, so it baffles me the way in which he is singled out. Even on his return to the team, I think he has been decent - still can't cross though. I'm happy seeing Valery progress and for me, Bertrand is still our best full back, but Cedric is the third best option. I'd much rather see him there than Yoshida or Stephens. CB's playing as FB's is generally horrible and has been for us - little attacking instinct, completely different angles vs wide players etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Never totally understood the Cedric hate. He was one of our stand out players in 16/17. He hasn't hit that level of performance since, but when you look at our defence player by player (pre-Ralph), who has? His perceived drop off in form wasn't singular to him, it was a squad-wide issue, so it baffles me the way in which he is singled out. Even on his return to the team, I think he has been decent - still can't cross though. I'm happy seeing Valery progress and for me, Bertrand is still our best full back, but Cedric is the third best option. I'd much rather see him there than Yoshida or Stephens. CB's playing as FB's is generally horrible and has been for us - little attacking instinct, completely different angles vs wide players etc etc. I've just seen Alex Crook saying that we might be getting £17M for him. If that's the case, then I take it all back haha. Good player but take the money for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Cedric being reported on italian site its loan with 'redemption' to buy. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Didnt realise that Fenerbache, one of the top Turkish clubs, are candidates for relegation this year. Presume they still have money though Fenerbache are struggling because FFP is working, in fact their owners have basically said that they're going to ignore FFP and take the European ban so they can buy who they want and win the league next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 We seem to be loaning out too many players. I know that Boufal and Carillo were mentioned as having a possible recall. But are we likely to get Hoedt back? I understand Davis. But we should insist on selling the likes of Cedric, not loaning with an option to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltashSaint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Looks like the Cedric deal will be completed tomorrow with Inter paying £14 million (16 million Euros). I can't tell if that is a transfer straightaway or a loan with a commitment to buy him in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 We seem to be loaning out too many players. I know that Boufal and Carillo were mentioned as having a possible recall. But are we likely to get Hoedt back? I understand Davis. But we should insist on selling the likes of Cedric, not loaning with an option to buy. Loans seem quicker to sort out. I'm sure we get a hefty loan fee & Inter big enough to pay all of wages. I assumed it would be a loan as their current right back is on loan, not to mention they wanted Darmian on loan with option to buy as well. With that said, lets not forget the Gabbi deal was supposed to be a loan too, but that seemed to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Looks like the Cedric deal will be completed tomorrow with Inter paying £14 million (16 million Euros). I can't tell if that is a transfer straightaway or a loan with a commitment to buy him in the summer.that's good as they have a good wide pitch and so his crosses can be stopped from going for throw ins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Loan with no obligation to buy and we're not even replacing him? Can't see any benefit to doing this when we're in the position we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 (edited) Loan with no obligation to buy and we're not even replacing him? Can't see any benefit to doing this when we're in the position we're in.Why do you think not replaced? ah didnt see this .. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Edited 24 January, 2019 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Loans seem quicker to sort out. I'm sure we get a hefty loan fee & Inter big enough to pay all of wages. I assumed it would be a loan as their current right back is on loan, not to mention they wanted Darmian on loan with option to buy as well. With that said, lets not forget the Gabbi deal was supposed to be a loan too, but that seemed to change. Inter are struggling FFP-wise somewhat, so are looking at loans for this month. Hopefully it'll be an obligation to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 We seem to be loaning out too many players. I know that Boufal and Carillo were mentioned as having a possible recall. But are we likely to get Hoedt back? I understand Davis. But we should insist on selling the likes of Cedric, not loaning with an option to buy. We can't "insist" on any club being prepared to buy any player, and/or any player being prepared to move to a particular club. If the best available deal which shifts a players wages (or a proportion) is a loan then that's what we have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 We seem to be loaning out too many players. I know that Boufal and Carillo were mentioned as having a possible recall. But are we likely to get Hoedt back? I understand Davis. But we should insist on selling the likes of Cedric, not loaning with an option to buy. Good luck trying to do that. How can you insist on selling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 If we loan or sell cedric and then bring in no one then that's just bizarre. we have had terrible January's for ages now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 If we loan or sell cedric and then bring in no one then that's just bizarre. we have had terrible January's for ages now. Assuming Targett isn't badly injured, we will have Valery/Ramsay & Bertrand/Targett competing for the wing-back roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Good luck trying to do that. How can you insist on selling? If they don't buy, then you keep him. Simple really. I suspect, but happy to be told otherwise, that they are keener on getting him, than we are in selling him and replacing with some other over priced player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Assuming Targett isn't badly injured, we will have Valery/Ramsay & Bertrand/Targett competing for the wing-back roles.Yep that isn't good enough imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 If they don't buy, then you keep him. Simple really. I suspect, but happy to be told otherwise, that they are keener on getting him, than we are in selling him and replacing with some other over priced player.how does that fit trying to reduce the squad and wage bill? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 how does that fit trying to reduce the squad and wage bill? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk So we get rid of him on loan. You happy with what we have remaining there? If reports are to be believed, we may or may not be interested in that fella from Genk. How does that fit in with reducing the squad size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 Good luck trying to do that. How can you insist on selling? If they want him, they have to buy him....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 So we get rid of him on loan. You happy with what we have remaining there? If reports are to be believed, we may or may not be interested in that fella from Genk. How does that fit in with reducing the squad size?Nope not happy at all I think we are weak in wing backs. Targett made of glass. Bertrand not fit, Cedric had to fill in last week and looks as though wants out. Need better attacking options down right imo. But we are paying price for sh1te recruitment....all we are doing is shifting everything to summer hope Ralph doesnt get poached away! Loans are all we can do with clubs not spending and wages we pay for likes of Hoedt, Carillo, Boufal, Forster we have to accept what offers we get at the moment. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 I'd also be pretty concerned if we let Cedric go without having someone lined up to come in immediately. As Give It To Ron said, Targett seems to pick up a few knocks and Bertrand hasnt played yet since a long lay off. On the right we've got Valery who has done pretty well but looks like may pick up a few more bookings, and then Ramsey who might be a good prospect but realistically is probably not ready to be playing premier league football. Dont want to get back to the days of Yoshida playing full back...!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 wasn't the Ralph Krueger masterplan/excuse for selling big names a couple of years ago that we needed a bigger roster so sell some big names and use cash to get bigger squad.. now here we are giving away players on loan, and not really looking at buying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 I'd also be pretty concerned if we let Cedric go without having someone lined up to come in immediately. As Give It To Ron said, Targett seems to pick up a few knocks and Bertrand hasnt played yet since a long lay off. On the right we've got Valery who has done pretty well but looks like may pick up a few more bookings, and then Ramsey who might be a good prospect but realistically is probably not ready to be playing premier league football. Dont want to get back to the days of Yoshida playing full back...!! Stephens is ok as a RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 I get the impression that the club think we are safe from relegation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 24 January, 2019 Share Posted 24 January, 2019 I will be disappointed if we didn’t replace him, and bring in a striker/winger. We still have a lot of work to do to stay up, waiting until the summer would be a dangerous game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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