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1 hour ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

https://the72.co.uk/2023/08/21/pl-names-on-radar-and-more-southampton-linked-with-11-potential-signings-so-far-this-month/
 

A good round up of our current links - a couple I hadn’t seen before

They're all rumours but a lot of them seem legit.

Harwood-Bellis would be great, on loan or even better permanent. He knows how to win this league. But plenty of others circling - if he doesn't come here I hope he doesn't go to Leicester. Forest and others also interested.

Patrick Roberts would make sense if Tella goes to Germany, and Djed Spence would make sense if someone comes in for KWP.  Duk would be great because of the song potential.  

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25 minutes ago, iansums said:

And of course many on here didn't want Winks anyway calling him sh*t, how you can say that about an established PL player with a few England caps I don't know.

Because Ive seen him play… he’s miles away from an established prem player or england player now anyway, Spurs tried to get rid of him for 2 years and its why he is in the championship 

TBH he isn’t, for me, making much more of an impact than Smallbone does, and plays a similar position

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8 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Because Ive seen him play… he’s miles away from an established prem player or england player now anyway, Spurs tried to get rid of him for 2 years and its why he is in the championship 

TBH he isn’t, for me, making much more of an impact than Smallbone does, and plays a similar position

Winks is great at recycling possession in a winning team but when they’re not, you see him for what he is… just a sideways/backwards man. Some forward passing, some expansive stuff but certainly not a tackler or likely to get you goals from midfield. Very ‘meh’.

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Have we finished arguing about whether or not we’re richer than the other 23 teams yet ? Its only taken 5 pages ?

FWIW I think we probably are in a better financial position, atleast as far as FFP is concerned then 90% of the football league now BUT, if we were to be offered 15m+ for Che it does put us in a position I suppose

- Last year of contract

- Do we have realistic replacements ‘lined up’

- What convos have we had with him ? Is he likely to down tools if we deny a move ?

Utlimately I would rather keep him unless the fee is either towards 20m OR we get a player in the other direction.. (Holgate ? Godfrey ?) there is of course a risk that we gamble on keeping Che and we dont get promoted, because as we’ve seen with QPR and their FFP struggles, you get caught eventually

I still don’t think the squad needs any huge overhauls now… try to rid the deadwood and (on current make up) bring in 2 x CMs and probably 1 or 2 CBs.. outside of that it’s maintaining what we have

Im hopeful that we can now sit down and say to players they aren’t leaving unless we get stupid offers for them.. in terms of KWP or Tella I do think they are significantly easier to replace than Che will be though, we’ve seen there is a huge shortage of decent strikers available this year… hence why Everton/Palace are after Che

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3 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Winks is great at recycling possession in a winning team but when they’re not, you see him for what he is… just a sideways/backwards man. Some forward passing, some expansive stuff but certainly not a tackler or likely to get you goals from midfield. Very ‘meh’.

Exactly that

Shea, as much as he was a gamble and still is, is atleast a 6, a position we needed to fill.

Winks can’t play there and is probably on decent wages

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5 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Is Roberts that good? Stats aren't exactly amazing and from what I can see, he wasn't even their best winger last season. 

I like him, very effective close dribbler, good eye for a pass, his xA last year was pretty high, he’s young hungry, guaranteed to improve AND ex City academy so fits the Wilcox black box criterion 

He clearly doesn’t like headers though

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3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Does not alter the fact that Manning gifted a goal to Norwich, slipped for the Plymouth goal and stood off the Plymouth player as he hit the post.

2023/2024 Danny Fox.  Fine by me, but he will get slaughtered in the premier league

Then your ire should be directed at the manager surely?

If the player isn’t good enough then it’s the managers problem.  Especially if he has the option to pick someone else and he keeps picking a weak link?

As long as the player is giving their all then we can’t complain

 Imagine if you were put up front for the Saints   I’m sure you’d try but will probably be out of your depth   The crowd should hold the manager to account for your lack of talent - not you!

 

 

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I an ideal world we keep Tella and KWP and some variation of this would be our team:

Bazunu 

KWP Stephens new cb Manning 

Charles/smallbone Downes 

Tella Alcaraz Ameyew/Edozie/Armstrong

New striker 

We should do really well with that. 

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I an ideal world we keep Tella and KWP and this would be our team:

Bazunu 

KWP Stephens new cb Manning 

Charles/smallbone Downes 

Tella Alcaraz Ameyew/Edozie 

Armstrong 

New striker 

We should do really well with that. 

Yeah if we play with 14 and everyone else 11 then Im more than comfortable with the idea we’ll be promoted 

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56 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Exactly that

Shea, as much as he was a gamble and still is, is atleast a 6, a position we needed to fill.

Winks can’t play there and is probably on decent wages

Yep 100%
 

Specialises in a role. Has already defined what type of midfielder is. Winks still hasn’t ever really defined himself any more other than a tidy looking extra body in midfield.

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12 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

He would undoubtably be brilliant and fun to watch......

Personally, I think all professional sports teams should have to select a guy from the crowd to play. By doing so it can reveal just how much bigger, faster, fitter and skillful these guys are than the man on the street. When all the players are pros and similar, they tend to cancel each other out and you sometimes take for granted just how good they are.  Get an Alex Law or whoever in and you can once again really appreciate what you are watching in regards to the other guys.

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30 minutes ago, Green Army 75 said:

Then your ire should be directed at the manager surely?

If the player isn’t good enough then it’s the managers problem.  Especially if he has the option to pick someone else and he keeps picking a weak link?

As long as the player is giving their all then we can’t complain

 Imagine if you were put up front for the Saints   I’m sure you’d try but will probably be out of your depth   The crowd should hold the manager to account for your lack of talent - not you!

 

 

Have you decided to stick around for our transfer window saints web meltdown? It's quite a sight to behold. 

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16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I an ideal world we keep Tella and KWP and some variation of this would be our team:

Bazunu 

KWP Stephens new cb Manning 

Charles/smallbone Downes 

Tella Alcaraz Ameyew/Edozie/Armstrong

New striker 

We should do really well with that. 

So I’ve read that we want more than 21m for Tella - would you let him go for that?

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I notice McCarthy wasn't on the bench on Saturday. Was he injured, or is that a definitive sign that a deal with Palace or whoever is close? I noticed Palace were linked to Henderson at the weekend, which assumably would end any interest in McCarthy.

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2 minutes ago, Chez said:

I notice McCarthy wasn't on the bench on Saturday. Was he injured, or is that a definitive sign that a deal with Palace or whoever is close? I noticed Palace were linked to Henderson at the weekend, which assumably would end any interest in McCarthy.

Interesting, hadn’t noticed that.

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3 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

So I’ve read that we want more than 21m for Tella - would you let him go for that?

not sure. Do we have someone decent lined up to replace him? 

How much would you want to let him go? 

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4 minutes ago, Chez said:

I notice McCarthy wasn't on the bench on Saturday. Was he injured, or is that a definitive sign that a deal with Palace or whoever is close? I noticed Palace were linked to Henderson at the weekend, which assumably would end any interest in McCarthy.

I think Martin said he had picked up a knock before the Plymouth game.

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Put yourself in Tella's boots. You've left Arsenal to join Saints in the PL but not fitted in. Then you go out on loan. Destroy the Championship for Burnley and fully expect to get signed by them to play in the PL. In your head you have earned the right to be a PL player. 

It's going to be tough for him to man up and play for Saints for the full season. He was all smiles in pre-season, but seems a little less cheery in the last few games. 

It will be tricky trying to keep him. Wilcox and Martin seem to have good communication skills so I haven't given up hope, but it will be tough.

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4 minutes ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

Put yourself in Tella's boots. You've left Arsenal to join Saints in the PL but not fitted in. Then you go out on loan. Destroy the Championship for Burnley and fully expect to get signed by them to play in the PL. In your head you have earned the right to be a PL player. 

It's going to be tough for him to man up and play for Saints for the full season. He was all smiles in pre-season, but seems a little less cheery in the last few games. 

It will be tricky trying to keep him. Wilcox and Martin seem to have good communication skills so I haven't given up hope, but it will be tough.

Money talks pay rise and a nice big bonus on gaining promotion.

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24 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

So I’ve read that we want more than 21m for Tella - would you let him go for that?

It really depends on who you bring in to replace him doesn’t it? Pointless selling a player who is still under a contract with more than a year left and then not improving the 1st team as a result.

For me the ‘ideal World’ transfer policy is to first bring in a player who improves the position concerned and only then sell a player on, preferably a player from the same position to ensure the squad does not become bloated. The incoming player could of course come from the B team or Academy, but the key thing is that this player becomes the first choice starter rather than the current incumbent.  We are currently a long way from this ideal, hence the re-boot.

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22 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

So I’ve read that we want more than 21m for Tella - would you let him go for that?

Yes. Very easily replaceable for that sum - I've not been massively impressed with him to date, all be it other than 1 (2) tidy goals with his left foot. SAA will be starting on that wing come the end of the season anyway.

Tella isn't a PL player and never will be imo, his value is at its highest now, feels like a sensible time to move on and replace based on the sums being branded about. 

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50 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd like to keep Adams but understand with his contract situation why we may not be able to. With the others though, I'd go so far as to say that if we strengthen properly and we manage to keep kwp and tella for a season then we will go up. 

This is where I stand as well.

The "it's better to get promoted than get the £15m" logic isn't totally flawed, but I don't think a team who've just got relegated will/can afford to pass on the Che money as opposed to letting him leave for free in a year. I also imagine SR/Wilcox are pretty confident in their own abilities to get a similar output from a replacement, which my current guess will be Duk from Aberdeen.

As for Tella/KWP, there really is absolutely no reason to sell either or to have a realistic "price in mind" this window. We've made enough money, risks have to be taken to get promoted and holding onto both of these players in the hope they get us up, or instead taking a reduced fee next Summer with 1 year left on their deals is absolutely one we should make.

Obviously there's price points for everybody, but at this point of the window they should be extremely inflated and not where they were weeks ago. 

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25 minutes ago, Dman said:

Yes. Very easily replaceable for that sum - I've not been massively impressed with him to date, all be it other than 1 (2) tidy goals with his left foot. SAA will be starting on that wing come the end of the season anyway.

Tella isn't a PL player and never will be imo, his value is at its highest now, feels like a sensible time to move on and replace based on the sums being branded about. 

Well i completely disagree. I've been very impressed by him and wingers who score double figures in the championship aren't going to be easy to come by and if they are available and willing to come will be at massive fees. I also feel he's got more than enough ability to cut in the prem if used right. SAA is in no way a starter at the moment.

 

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2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I wonder what will happen with Justin. He has been rated very highly in recent seasons.

He's had two absolutely devastating injuries in two years: ruptured ACL, followed by a ruptured Achilles tendon. 

He'll be lucky if he's still a fraction of the player he was before, when he gets back playing regularly.

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15 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Quite happy to be proven wrong- fuck off

Whereas you can only really hope to cease being an obnoxious cunt at some point in your life.

My posts have received both positive and negative responses,some of the negative ones were quite blunt but the comments were backed up with evidence that the poster believed would support their side of the argument. No problem with this,fine just what these platforms are all about.

Not you though,no as soon as I saw that you had responded,it was obvious that your comment would be an infantile,abusive and pathetically intimidating rant.

I was once part of a research study into people such as yourself with personality / behavioural flaws, in most cases this was down to an unpleasant event occurring in their earlier life. Why do you bring upon yourself further stress and hurt into your life by going out of your way creating arguments and making enemies on a football forum ?

I have no intention of either reading or replying to the inevitable , twisted response that you will send out in reply to this. As such I will grant you the honour of having the last word,which people such as yourself crave as being most precious, and if denied would result in loss of sleep.

 

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