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2 hours ago, goodymatt said:

I’d like to think we won’t consider a sale, his price will only go up with another good season and he will be a key player for us. 

Over my dead body

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Posted
3 hours ago, goodymatt said:

If he wanted out, we might end up having to sell. Hopefully not the case, feels like we are the right level for him at this moment in time.

Charles not really impacting the team after spending £10m on him seemed like an unnecessary risk but this time around he appears to be the player we hoped he would be. Get him straight into the starting 11 and let his asset value continue to grow. 

That's a good point. He has joined us in a relatively big money move, then hardly got in the side (rightly IMO) and then farmed out on loan once we got promotion. Not sure he's going to feel any loyalty to Saints and if a Prem move is available, to be big club like Leeds, then you'd have to imagine he'd been keen for that move.  However, my guess is that Leeds will be thinking a 'mid teens millions bid might be enough' rather than planning on spending £25-30m.

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3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Ramsdale 😅

Isn't he on north of £100k a week. Rangers can't afford that.

they do need a keeper, but even if they were to paid him what we will pay him in the championship after a relegation reduction (let's say £60k a week for arguments sake), that would still be out of their reach. Maybe if his starting wage was £70k a week instead of £100k, that would bring it into the realms of possibility, assuming the new owners will be upping the wage bill a fair amount, but the £25m fee is still going to be beyond them.

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20 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

What a transfer window that was. £22m on Sulemana, £18m on Onuachu and £8m on Orsic, to fit the style of Nathan Jones who we sacked eight weeks later.

£48 million pounds. 

Then Ankersen sat across from us at the Fans Forum and (straight-faced) told us they'd given Jones the "weapons" and "tools" he needed to deliver.

There was at least one weapon and/or tool in the room...

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Posted
1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

Impressive number of senior appearances for a 21 year old.

Interesting to read what Gary Rowett said about him:

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/24880221.gary-rowett-responds-rumoured-interest-tyler-goodrham/

Their fans don’t think Rowett’s formation has got quite as much out of him, forcing him to cut in rather than being central, although came good again towards the end of the season. 

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13 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Their fans don’t think Rowett’s formation has got quite as much out of him, forcing him to cut in rather than being central, although came good again towards the end of the season. 

This is true, but he’s still playing him — and they stayed up.  Not the worst thing for his development.

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Posted
19 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Cant see any reason we would sell Downes for £10m. Not a chance.

Well we dont owe Rangers / Martin any favours. He'd love to have his mate with him I'm sure, but we'd be looking to get at least as much as we paid for him, which is far beyond Rangers' reach. Rumours of Ramsdale are surely even more far fetched in terms of fee!

Posted
1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

Cant see any reason we would sell Downes for £10m. Not a chance.

Why not he is unlikely ever be a decent PL player if we are to progress back to the PL we need better than him

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Posted
8 minutes ago, John B said:

Why not he is unlikely ever be a decent PL player if we are to progress back to the PL we need better than him

🙄

Yes but "when"we get back, he is good for what we need now 

Posted
1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

Cant see any reason we would sell Downes for £10m. Not a chance.

 

30 minutes ago, John B said:

Why not he is unlikely ever be a decent PL player if we are to progress back to the PL we need better than him

Because he is good enough to help get us promoted and there is little incentive to sell a player we signed for £18m under a year ago for £10m. Might as well keep him for a season and see if we go up again.

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Posted (edited)
46 minutes ago, John B said:

Why not he is unlikely ever be a decent PL player if we are to progress back to the PL we need better than him

You can't make a 50% loss on one year though, wouldn't make any sense. I imagine we'd take £15-16m if it was offered today, but £9-10m is just too low.

Downes was my biggest disappointment last year, the drop off from him was enormous. I still don't think Martin's team, at the highest level, provided him the best level of protection though. He has too many limitations in his game to be an all rounder in the top flight, but I still think he could be a tidy midfielder at that level if he had the right support around him.

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22 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

You can't make a 50% loss on one year though, wouldn't make any sense. I imagine we'd take £15-16m if it was offered today, but £9-10m is just too low.

Downes was my biggest disappointment last year, the drop off from him was enormous. I still don't think Martin's team, at the highest level, provided him the best level of protection though. He has too many limitations in his game to be an all rounder in the top flight, but I still think he could be a tidy midfielder at that level if he had the right support around him.

Very much this and @Matthew Le God above this, taking as low as £10-13m doesn’t make sense on so many levels. I think he could still do a job in the PL without the kamikaze tactics and the right partnership, and IIRC he’s just started a family so moving to Glasgow might not be top of list for him however much he likes Russell Martin. Having paid £18m, Saints will want at least around that back, and isn’t Rangers record fee £12m?

He’s under contract for a while too. Ipswich is the one team that could challenge that, but with McKenna favourite to replace Frank at Brentford, all bets might be off there. 

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Posted

Scotland's a goalkeeper's retirement home - Hart, Butland and Schmeichel the recent ones. A 27 year old Aaron Ramsdale isn't going there. Might as well stay in the Championship with us if that was his only offer, which it won't be.

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Posted

Rangers after Ramsdale and Downes must be a mix-up. Martin probably asked Rangers to make an enquiry for Saints finest goalkeeper and midfielder, clearly meaning Baz and Smallbone…

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Posted
2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

You can't make a 50% loss on one year though, wouldn't make any sense. I imagine we'd take £15-16m if it was offered today, but £9-10m is just too low.

Downes was my biggest disappointment last year, the drop off from him was enormous. I still don't think Martin's team, at the highest level, provided him the best level of protection though. He has too many limitations in his game to be an all rounder in the top flight, but I still think he could be a tidy midfielder at that level if he had the right support around him.

In 1976 I saw us win the FA Cup with this team Ian Turner Peter Rodrigues David Peach Nick Holmes Mel Blyth Jim Steele Paul Gilchrist Mick Channon Peter Osgood Jim McCalliog Bobby Stokes and almost two years later at the Dell against Spurs we returned to Div 1 with this team Peter Wells Manny Andruszewski David Peach  Steve Williams Chris Nicholl Malcolm Waldron Alan Ball Phil Boyer Ted MacDougall Nick Holmes Tony Funnell 

After winning the Cup Lawrie Mac dismantled the team got in a few proven older players and with a few home grown players got us promoted 

I know we are in a different age and players like Ball Boyer MacDougal are unlikely to come to St Mary's so I feel we should rebuild by getting rid of players who are not going to shine in the PL and transfer in players who may do.

Of course we need some new younger players who are likely to perform well in the PL from the academy if possible.

I know we have bought lots of young players recently, mostly it seemed to sell on, not to enhance our team for the length of their contract. 

We need a team that has the potential to stay in the PL like we did in 1978 and with Adkins team not so long ago I just do not feel that Flynn is PL player especially as his position in midfield is so key. 

It maybe wishful thinking of an old git but I am sure most of us do not wish to experience this seasons fiasco again.

 

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Posted

I'm not against reshaping the squad, but it's hard enough for us to attract and recruit players good enough to compete in the PL when we are in the PL. Trying to bring in that quality of player when in the championship is asking a lot.

Lots of players out of contract next summer. If we get promoted we can take another stab at signing players that can keep us up.

 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, John B said:

In 1976 I saw us win the FA Cup with this team Ian Turner Peter Rodrigues David Peach Nick Holmes Mel Blyth Jim Steele Paul Gilchrist Mick Channon Peter Osgood Jim McCalliog Bobby Stokes and almost two years later at the Dell against Spurs we returned to Div 1 with this team Peter Wells Manny Andruszewski David Peach  Steve Williams Chris Nicholl Malcolm Waldron Alan Ball Phil Boyer Ted MacDougall Nick Holmes Tony Funnell 

After winning the Cup Lawrie Mac dismantled the team got in a few proven older players and with a few home grown players got us promoted 

I know we are in a different age and players like Ball Boyer MacDougal are unlikely to come to St Mary's so I feel we should rebuild by getting rid of players who are not going to shine in the PL and transfer in players who may do.

Of course we need some new younger players who are likely to perform well in the PL from the academy if possible.

I know we have bought lots of young players recently, mostly it seemed to sell on, not to enhance our team for the length of their contract. 

We need a team that has the potential to stay in the PL like we did in 1978 and with Adkins team not so long ago I just do not feel that Flynn is PL player especially as his position in midfield is so key. 

It maybe wishful thinking of an old git but I am sure most of us do not wish to experience this seasons fiasco again.

 

I don't think anyone is against selling or reshaping the squad, you're absolutely right in that we don't want to experience what we had to ever again.

But it comes down to valuations, Downes has a really long contract and is just a year into it. We paid £18m. There's no benefit to us right tow to ship him off for half that, it would be a pretty shocking business decision. 

We know he's done it at this level, ditto Adam Armstrong, so in my eyes unless the fees are good (i.e. near what we paid for them), then there's absolutely no point in selling them today. It would immediately weaken us at the level we're now at, without the required income from those sales to reinvest and replace.

Football has changed so much though since 1976, I mean even in just the last 10 years. The gaps between levels are huge, and the wages players want are beyond most clubs bar the really rich ones. Whilst we're all keen on a rebuild, I think it will probably take a good few years to cycle this squad out in entirety. 

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Posted

If Will Still can get any sort of tune out of Flynn Downes we’d be mad to get rid of him. He was by far our most influential player in our promotion season. Getting rid of him for £10m because ……..  “reasons”, is mad.

It’s gonna be a long old summer of who goes, and when. Downes would be towards the bottom of the list to move on, unless he’s intent on having another season long sulk.  Not sure if I see that happening, he was obviously wedded to Martin and then fell out with Juric who likely waded in with a few home truths. Still can hopefully give him a Ted talk and get his chest all puffed out again.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Paulwantsapint81 said:

The keeper who rescued RM promotion could be prised from saints AMC would do well for Rangers

 

2 hours ago, Danbert said:

He's welcome to Bazunu 

Buy one get one free???

Posted
23 hours ago, Chez said:

Trabzonspor'dan bunu alabileceğimizden emin değilim. Geçen yaz bunu harcamak istemediler. Anlaşmasında sadece bir yılı kaldı ve Banza onlar için 19 gol attı, bu yüzden onlar için çok iyi bir seçenek.

They want around 15 million euros for Banza.

Posted
48 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

If I ran out of bog roll and the only paper in the house was a copy of the Sun, I'd go to the garage and get some sandpaper.

This isn’t the bdsm forum. How embarrassing. 

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Posted

Resigned to losing Ramsdale, Dibling and THB, but not overly bothered because we need the money. Hopefully we can also move on the likes of Sugawara, Bednarek, Sulemana, Aribo, Fraser and Onuachu for some additional pennies.

However, as long as Will Still wants them, it is crucial that we keep the likes of Edwards, Downes, Charles and Fernandes (I would just be firm and say hes not for sale). Build a new team around them.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Makes us better 

 

If we’re anywhere near this I’m hoping it’s Ankerson / SR doing the dealing. If our recruitment team are getting tied up with this kind of bonkers trading then it’s clear lessons have not been learnt and Dragan/Spors don’t deserve our support.

Posted
12 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

You can't make a 50% loss on one year though, wouldn't make any sense. I imagine we'd take £15-16m if it was offered today, but £9-10m is just too low.

Downes was my biggest disappointment last year, the drop off from him was enormous. I still don't think Martin's team, at the highest level, provided him the best level of protection though. He has too many limitations in his game to be an all rounder in the top flight, but I still think he could be a tidy midfielder at that level if he had the right support around him.

I don't think Downes was ever anything above a tidy midfielder in the championship which is why I was vehemently against us signing him last summer, especially for the amount we did, and got shouted down for it. 

I know he had a 93% success pass rate but consider the style of play under Martin and that isn't that impressive. The two centrebacks for us were the same, the side was literally set up to allow Martin to wank over most of his backline having 90%+ passing stats. 

 

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