New Manager Debate

[Baird of the land]

1 hour ago, macca155 said:

Problem is there is no perfect choice for Saints. The players are absolutely shot to pieces, even the new ones.

It isn't as simple as bringing in a football maestro. No matter how genius their tactics are, the players aren't in a place to implement them. Panic sets in as soon as the opposition put together a decent attack.

Neither is a sergeant major, old school 4 4 2 type going to solve the problem either. It would bring some resilience, but modern tems easily find a way round traditional tactics.

You could reincarnated Cloughie and even he would struggle.

Someone like Southgate (I wish) would put a decent rebuilding plan in place. He would have the gravitas to keep players and fans from wobbling.

Robins or Carsley would fit, maybe Viera, but whoever gets it they have one hell of a job. 

Southgate would be appalling. Fortunately he's got no interest in management anymore.

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That's the same manager though. I was asking who these 'every managers' are that senior players are causing issues with.

I know I was just agreeing with your point about still not having a clie 

[benjii]

46 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Beautiful. 

Next time my kids have to do a poetry competition at school I'll just get them to copy and paste that 

Strange take on The Great War.

[Saint86]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Did he ever finish his Southampton playbook?

Yeah, and funnily enough we'd some very good years out of the u18s in the years since 🤔

[benjii]

4 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Southgate would be appalling. Fortunately he's got no interest in management anymore.

Southgate would be an honour but there's no way we are good enough.

[Saint86]

6 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Southgate would be appalling.

This in abundance.

Edited 8 hours ago by Saint86

[hypochondriac]

Where is this Ralph rumour coming from? I've seen nothing to suggest it's likely other than the fact he was at one of our games.

[RedArmy]

5 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

Romeu left after Ralph? Romeu played a couple of games under Martin, didn't he?

Romeu left deadline day Summer 22 and Ralph left in November 22. 
 

Played under Martin is a wild one. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Saint86 said:

This in abundance.

I'd rather have Martin back than Southgate. That's how little I think of Sir Gareth.

[Saint86]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I'd rather have Martin back than Southgate. That's how little I think of Sir Gareth.

Pretty accurate take though 😄

[franniesTache]

21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Did he ever finish his Southampton playbook?

No playbook.

No five pledges.

No wonder we're going to shit.

It would appear that the Southampton DNA is being unable to finish no matter what part of the club it is.

[santolijador]

49 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

It’ll be Ralph. 

 

47 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

No it wont.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by santolijador

[Saint_clark]

35 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

It’s going to be Ralph. 

No it won't.

[Willo of Whiteley]

The names that are being touted are as appealing as Will Still 🤣

[SaintTex]

5 managers in 36 months. is that bad?

• Nathan Jones 14 matches (win % - 35%)
• Ruben Selles 17 matches  (win % - 11%)
• Russell Martin 73 matches (win % - 45%)
• IvanJuric 16 matches (win % - 12.5%)
• Will Still 16 matches (win % - 25%)

 

[skintsaint]

2 minutes ago, SaintTex said:

5 managers in 36 months. is that bad?

• Nathan Jones 14 matches (win % - 35%)
• Ruben Selles 17 matches  (win % - 11%)
• Russell Martin 73 matches (win % - 45%)
• IvanJuric 16 matches (win % - 12.5%)
• Will Still 16 matches (win % - 25%)

 

Well, it will be 6 managers in 36 months unless we take an age to get the next one.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, RedArmy said:

Ignoring the football on the pitch, I really fucking hate being a saints fan sometimes. 
 

We really are run by a complete and utter bunch of divs.

Corrected that for you.

[sotonjoe]

7 hours ago, chivvy said:

 

Carrick hasn't actually failed anywhere he just didn't succeed either . 

Are you Michael Owen in disguise?

[sambosa75]

4 hours ago, CamberwellSaint said:

Lord preserve us. 

I think there's a reason he's never been a manager. The last thing we need is to be very public proof he shouldn't.

Maybe so but it’s surprising he’s not been given a crack by anybody.  

Are you telling me the likes of Jack Stephens and Harwood-Bellis wouldn’t sit up and take notice when he tries showing them a thing or two?

By all accounts he was a popular figure at Villa as assistant under Smith.  
 

[hypochondriac]

52 minutes ago, santolijador said:

 

 

 

Fair play this actually made me burst out laughing.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

I wouldn't be too upset if Carrick came to Saints. He'd definitely sort the midfield and he's worked with both Archer and Azaz, who both showed good form under his management. 

With us not currently having a manager, I wonder whose idea it was to sign Romeu? This must have been decided before WS departed?
Maybe there's someone already lined up who said they wanted him onboard? Ralph watched us a couple of weeks ago. We're the board sounding him out? Could he have influenced this move? 

[southamptonfc]

I assume we're trying to get Pep since he is the only manager I know that can win games without any f'cking strikers.

[Miltonaggro]

Carrick with Woodgate as assistant and Romeu as skipper! Maybe first day they bring their CVs in for the approval of our superstars…

[Saint Neil]

Ralph right now at the thought of having to be manager again.

[Patches O Houlihan]

14 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I wouldn't be too upset if Carrick came to Saints. He'd definitely sort the midfield and he's worked with both Archer and Azaz, who both showed good form under his management. 

With us not currently having a manager, I wonder whose idea it was to sign Romeu? This must have been decided before WS departed?
Maybe there's someone already lined up who said they wanted him onboard? Ralph watched us a couple of weeks ago. We're the board sounding him out? Could he have influenced this move? 

Suggestions that Romeu was seen at Staplewood before the pre-season training camp in Spain where he was pictured with the squad. Maybe he would have joined if Aribo and Edozie were sold but management felt the squad would have been too big. Now they feel it is worth it to try to raise standards in the squad and morale amongst the fans.

Edited 7 hours ago by Patches O Houlihan

[macca155]

1 hour ago, Baird of the land said:

Southgate would be appalling. Fortunately he's got no interest in management anymore.

Err why? 

Managed at the very highest level, regular semi final and final appearances when such things were unheard of.

Not a chance he would lower himself to Saints but to say he would be appalling is ridiculous.

Carsley is a possibility it would seem. Not the worst choice.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Err why? 

Managed at the very highest level, regular semi final and final appearances when such things were unheard of.

Not a chance he would lower himself to Saints but to say he would be appalling is ridiculous.

Carsley is a possibility it would seem. Not the worst choice.

He beat teams like Ukraine, Panama and Denmark with one of the most talented England squads we’ve ever had, then bottled the semis and finals when we came up against decent teams. I wouldn’t want him here either, his only experience of club management was taking Middlesbrough from European contention to relegation in about three years.

[RedArmy]

15 minutes ago, Saint Neil said:

Ralph right now at the thought of having to be manager again.

People actually want this flannel back. Pathetic. 

[Midfield_General]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I haven't seen that before, but some personal highlights:

They did all of that to Ralph, causing us relegation then.
Now they've gone and done it to you, sending us spiralling down once again!

No one will save us this time, as you are no longer here.

Once again, the loudest people have won.
We are sorry that minority let you down.
If our real fans could have had their own way, it would be them we would boot out of town!

What a pair of idiots.

Still, at least @Fabrice29 and @notnowcato look happy in the picture

[Harry_SFC]

It just won't happen but I would probably take Ralph back (at least we know he can manage in the prem if we ever get back there) but Martin is a huge no. 

[saintant]

Has the data led tombola come up with a name yet?

[Chez]

39 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Carrick with Woodgate as assistant and Romeu as skipper! Maybe first day they bring their CVs in for the approval of our superstars…

whenever I see the "superstars" mentioned, it just makes me think of KK falling off his bike. Kind of sums our side up really - an accident waiting to happen. Shame we don't have a `messiah' like him to turn us around.

 

 

[SaintsfanSwindon]

It seems to be our best managers have been the ones who were top footballers when they were playing - Bally, Strachan, Hoddle, Koeman, Poch so I wonder if Viera, Carrick or Gerrard would be a good shout and could work. 

[Miltonaggro]

4 minutes ago, Chez said:

whenever I see the "superstars" mentioned, it just makes me think of KK falling off his bike. Kind of sums our side up really - an accident waiting to happen. Shame we don't have a `messiah' like him to turn us around.

 

 

Absolutely. Would need promotion and stabilisation first, however! Get brian jacks  and his satsumas in as fitness coach 😊

[Convict Colony]

25 minutes ago, Chez said:

whenever I see the "superstars" mentioned, it just makes me think of KK falling off his bike. Kind of sums our side up really - an accident waiting to happen. Shame we don't have a `messiah' like him to turn us around.

 

 

brian jacks eating oranges and being the king of dips

[Osvaldorama]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd rather have Martin back than Southgate. That's how little I think of Sir Gareth.

Id rather have no manager than Martin back. 
That’s how little I think of Martin 

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, SaintsfanSwindon said:

It seems to be our best managers have been the ones who were top footballers when they were playing - Bally, Strachan, Hoddle, Koeman, Poch so I wonder if Viera, Carrick or Gerrard would be a good shout and could work. 

Wouldn’t want Viera but would be more than happy with Gerrard or Carrick.

[Wade Garrett]

46 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

brian jacks eating oranges and being the king of dips

 Always thought his dips technique was bordering on cheating.  Similar to Vyvyan’s press-ups in The Young Ones.

Edited 5 hours ago by Wade Garrett

[Saint Fan CaM]

Nothing wrong with Martin. His football is as boring as shit however. No, no and thrice no. Thanks.

[Mboto Gorge]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

He beat teams like Ukraine, Panama and Denmark with one of the most talented England squads we’ve ever had, then bottled the semis and finals when we came up against decent teams. I wouldn’t want him here either, his only experience of club management was taking Middlesbrough from European contention to relegation in about three years.

Agreed. Fucking dreadful and even duller than Still which is some achievement. 

[SuperSAINT]

 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Hmm, I'd feel iffy with that one. The former 'skate' element skews it massively for me, he'll always have that on his back and he'd have very little leeway if/when things started going wrong.

It would be similar to when Leicester appointed Steve Cooper, given their rivalry with Forest. He was up against it from day 1 and it never worked out.

[SaintN14]

It’s only 2nd Nov but I’ve been singing this all afternoon…

 

 

[WinglessWonder]

20 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Sky Sports News have just flashed this up as "breaking news", I can only assume my stream is lagging a bit.... 🤣

[Willo of Whiteley]

18 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Hmm, I'd feel iffy with that one. The former 'skate' element skews it massively for me, he'll always have that on his back and he'd have very little leeway if/when things started going wrong.

It would be similar to when Leicester appointed Steve Cooper, given their rivalry with Forest. He was up against it from day 1 and it never worked out.

As mentioned on TSP last night, if he comes to Saints there is no honeymoon period. No time to get fans onside.

One goal down or one defeat and he’s lost the fans immediately.

[Badger]

22 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Hmm, I'd feel iffy with that one. The former 'skate' element skews it massively for me, he'll always have that on his back and he'd have very little leeway if/when things started going wrong.

It would be similar to when Leicester appointed Steve Cooper, given their rivalry with Forest. He was up against it from day 1 and it never worked out.

Would the feeling be the same if for example we lured Mousinho here ?

I’m not advocating that we do, and wouldn’t be keen on it, but can’t help feel the reaction to O’Neil is also due to him being considered crap. 

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Wouldn’t want Viera but would be more than happy with Gerrard or Carrick.

Regarding Viera -

On Solent just now the chap from TSP pointed out that Spors hired Viera for Genoa, and that he also worked alongside Eckert there, so there are some strong connections already in place. Factor in that he is available, has a lot of experience of English football (including some as a manager) and that they may want a 'name' to bring some authority, and that could have some legs. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Midfield_General

[Badger]

Just now, Midfield_General said:

Regarding Viera -

On Solent just now the chap from TSP pointed out that Spors hired Viera for Genoa, and that he also worked alongside Eckert there, so there are some strong connections already in place. Factor in that he is available and that they may want a 'name' to bring some authority, and that could have some legs. 

Wasn’t he shit at Genoa ? Bottom of the league, so sacked.
 

Perhaps Mr Spors doesn’t  seem to have got the knack or had much luck making managerial selections, but a bit concerning.  

[OttawaSaint]

Our misery will continue won't it?

It'll be Rene from 'allo 'allo.

Blackmore: What is this? Three CBs?

Rene: Youuuuuu stupid woman! Shoehorn Stephens and THB are pretending to be CBs to trick the Naz...I mean opposition!

Blackmore: Ohhh Rene! A Southampton hero, I knew to not doubt your infinite wisdom!

 

Edited 4 hours ago by OttawaSaint

[Midfield_General]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Wasn’t he shit at Genoa ? Bottom of the league, so sacked.
 

Perhaps Mr Spors doesn’t  seem to have got the knack or had much luck making managerial selections, but a bit concerning.  

Yep, did alright last season (finished 13th in Serie A), then sacked 2 days ago with the club bottom and without a win from first nine games of this season (six defeats, three draws).