New Manager Debate

[CB Fry]

I like the idea of Patrick Viera very much but he isn't coming to us a few days after being sacked.

[Toussaint]

4 hours ago, SaintTex said:

5 managers in 36 months. is that bad?

• Nathan Jones 14 matches (win % - 35%)
• Ruben Selles 17 matches  (win % - 11%)
• Russell Martin 73 matches (win % - 45%)
• IvanJuric 16 matches (win % - 12.5%)
• Will Still 16 matches (win % - 25%)

 

Ralph was within this 36 month period, so if we appoint one soon it could be 7. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Toussaint

[Chez]

Personally, I like the idea of taking a pretty popular skate and turning him into a Saint...obviously so long as they oversee lots of wins.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Vierra would top my list followed shortly by Carrick, although that’s based purely on gravitas and not on much knowledge of how he approaches tactics. What I want to see is evidence of the exorcism of Russball/SR-ball or whatever it is. I also want to see the acid influence of players like Jack Stephens wiped out - I think certain players have much to do with the demise of the culture at the club.

[Saint86]

Just appoint Ralph already, then swap sick note for JWP and we're sorted.

[saints-til-i-die]

Not keen on Viera personally. Definitely DO NOT want Russell Martin. No way.

No to Gerrard too.

 

 

[saints-til-i-die]

Spors supposedly likes a high tempo/pressing style rather than possession.

If he picks another manager with a different style than that, he has no credit at all. We need to stop flip flopping and stick to something. You can’t keep buy players for one style and then changing a manager to a different style.

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, saints-til-i-die said:

Not keen on Viera personally. Definitely DO NOT want Russell Martin. No way.

No to Gerrard too.

 

 

Looks like  Carrick is the last man standing then

[ErwinK1961]

37 minutes ago, Badger said:

Would the feeling be the same if for example we lured Mousinho here ?

I’m not advocating that we do, and wouldn’t be keen on it, but can’t help feel the reaction to O’Neil is also due to him being considered crap. 

I thought there was talk of Mousinho getting sacked by Pompey?

[ErwinK1961]

Wouldn’t Carrick appointment essentially be going back to the same style of football that Martin had? And he’s had one fourth place finish and a couple of mediocre mid table finishes… a big meh from me.

[The Realist]

I'm a bit meh about the next manager.  All have some credentials, yes even, RM. All have also failed at some point.

Out of the ex-Saints managers, Ralph would be best but who would his coach be?  Rohl helped him so much in the early days and things started unravelling when Rohl left.

I suspect Carrick or Gerrard will be chosen and either would be an upgrade on WS.  Perhaps the players started to lose faith in his ability to turn things around.

We have good players but no structure. We are equally bad without the ball as with it.  Someone who knows what they are doing should get these (half) decent players playing.

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

I thought there was talk of Mousinho getting sacked by Pompey?

Hadn’t heard that, but don’t really follow what’s happening down there, too much of our own misery to focus on.

[Harry_SFC]

1 minute ago, The Realist said:

I'm a bit meh about the next manager.  All have some credentials, yes even, RM. All have also failed at some point.

Out of the ex-Saints managers, Ralph would be best but who would his coach be?  Rohl helped him so much in the early days and things started unravelling when Rohl left.

I suspect Carrick or Gerrard will be chosen and either would be an upgrade on WS.  Perhaps the players started to lose faith in his ability to turn things around.

We have good players but no structure. We are equally bad without the ball as with it.  Someone who knows what they are doing should get these (half) decent players playing.

I'm not convinced about Gerrard tbh but at least he'd command instant respect from our group of losers. 

[trousers]

6 hours ago, SaintsRoyalty said:

Marco Rose would be the one. 4 at the back, fast/direct football, would be respected having managed big teams and has worked with Spoors. 

*** interesting first post klaxon ***

#itkwatch

 

[saintwbu]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

*** interesting first post klaxon ***

#itkwatch

 

SR initials 👀

[Secret Site Agent]

Some would like Frank Lampard, others Brendan Rogers or those that would like even Michael Carrick........So Sports Republic will employ Liam Rosenior as our next manager.

[CB Fry]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

*** interesting first post klaxon ***

#itkwatch

 

The guy has finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the Bundesliga, managed in the Champions League etc etc etc.

He's not coming to the Championship.

[Tamesaint]

I wonfer if Oriel is Interested in becoming a manager. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Tamesaint

[UpweySaint]

Perhaps a slight tangent and any answer is entirely subjective but how attractive do people think our job is/isn't?

If we’re being generous we have a squad with quality but one or two obvious holes. We have parachute payments this year and next. The league feels pretty open and a Steve Cooper at Forest style play off charge is possible (albeit not likely) though from our current position the measure for success bar is low this season. We seem financially stable and have an ambitious owner - yes, he has got some big calls wrong but he has put his money where his mouth is. For many managers the premier league is the panacea and getting a job with an existing team in there isn’t easy - okay Wolves can’t be too picky at the moment - so taking a team up from the championship is a potential route in. The academy is still well respected and we have some age group internationals which suggest potential in the pipeline.

There are counter arguments aplenty but if you’re an elite level coach (or aspiring to be) I expect many would back themselves overcome the issues and make a decent fist of things.

Somebody mentioned Rose. While it would clearly be a big step down could someone of his ilk see us as one step backward to hopefully take two forwards if they can get us back up this year or next?

 

[woodsaint1]

1 hour ago, saints-til-i-die said:

Not keen on Viera personally. Definitely DO NOT want Russell Martin. No way.

No to Gerrard too.

 

 

Anybody you do like? 😂

[SaintsLoyal]

Please tell me the club arent going to try and appoint a new manager and say you need to use these two assistants Trollope and lallana 

[Forester]

4 hours ago, Saint Neil said:

Ralph right now at the thought of having to be manager again.

This caption had me in tears of laughter!

[Oh no Mick Mills]

Jimmy Ball is doing a great job at AFC Totton. 

Dad's a Saint legend.

Cheap wages. 

Left field. 

S.R are all over this. 

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

Perhaps a slight tangent and any answer is entirely subjective but how attractive do people think our job is/isn't?

If we’re being generous we have a squad with quality but one or two obvious holes. We have parachute payments this year and next. The league feels pretty open and a Steve Cooper at Forest style play off charge is possible (albeit not likely) though from our current position the measure for success bar is low this season. We seem financially stable and have an ambitious owner - yes, he has got some big calls wrong but he has put his money where his mouth is. For many managers the premier league is the panacea and getting a job with an existing team in there isn’t easy - okay Wolves can’t be too picky at the moment - so taking a team up from the championship is a potential route in. The academy is still well respected and we have some age group internationals which suggest potential in the pipeline.

There are counter arguments aplenty but if you’re an elite level coach (or aspiring to be) I expect many would back themselves overcome the issues and make a decent fist of things.

Somebody mentioned Rose. While it would clearly be a big step down could someone of his ilk see us as one step backward to hopefully take two forwards if they can get us back up this year or next?

 

The job is obviously one of the top jobs outside of the Prem. Decent payers in paper but poorly managed and with a few tweaks should be able to climb the table. Will look decent by comparison if the manager does even an OK job. Many managers will be interested in that even if the owners are interfering asshole (lots of clubs have that.)

[benjii]

Very much doubt it will be Ralph but the midfield and attack in his system would be pretty good, en mein opinion.

------Romeu----Jander------

--Fellows/Aribo------Scienza---

-----Armstrong---Archer----

[benjii]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

The job is obviously one of the top jobs outside of the Prem. Decent payers in paper but poorly managed and with a few tweaks should be able to climb the table. Will look decent by comparison if the manager does even an OK job. Many managers will be interested in that even if the owners are interfering asshole (lots of clubs have that.)

Yep. For a good manager, this season is now a bit of a free-hit. Whilst play-offs are by no means impossible, if it takes a few more games to turn us around I'm not sure anyone will realistically be demanding them. So it's almost a long-preseason gearing up to smash the league next year with Quarshie, Edwards, Jander, Scienza, Fellows, Robinson, Azaz, a new GK, a new striker, right back... should be relatively enticing if the money is right.

[Forester]

Gary O’Neil has just withdrawn from the Wolves job.  In my opinion he would be an excellent choice.

Yes he played for Pompey, but he grew up in London and isn’t a Pompey fan.  We have had Crouch and JWP who have become popular players who either played or were raised there, along with Alan Ball who managed them before us (admittedly having played for us).

Did a great job at Bournemouth taking over from Parker, then did great job at Wolves taking over just before start of season.  Was sacked by Wolves in second season, his first taste of disappointment.  But looks like they wanted him back.

As Steve Grant said on TSP, it would be high risk as he would not get a honeymoon period with some fans, but for me would be very credible.

[Trader]

Martin - odds drifting

Hasenhuttl - odds shortening

[James G]

Just now, Trader said:

Martin - odds drifting

Hasenhuttl - odds shortening

I put a bet on. Just have a funny feeling. 

The only way to de-Russ, is to re-Ralph

I just think any younger manager is going to struggle. Obviously you've got other older experienced managers. It needs a dad figure

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, James G said:

I put a bet on. Just have a funny feeling. 

The only way to de-Russ, is to re-Ralph

I just think any younger manager is going to struggle. Obviously you've got other older experienced managers. It needs a dad figure

Wasn't it reported that Ralph wasn't great at the man management?

[James G]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Wasn't it reported that Ralph wasn't great at the man management?

He leaned on other people alot, especially latterly, but there's always a team around you

Listen, I'm not saying he's getting hired. The Romeu signing,  if it happens, is odd. Great, but odd.

I might be reading everything wrong.

[Dr Who?]

12 minutes ago, Trader said:

Martin - odds drifting

Hasenhuttl - odds shortening

Sky have Russ at 2/1 and Ralph at 7/1. Keep on eye on these as they will suddenly change to a massive favourite, then we will know. 

[Saint86]

14 minutes ago, Trader said:

Martin - odds drifting

Hasenhuttl - odds shortening

@Matthew Le God

[Patches O Houlihan]

14 minutes ago, James G said:

I put a bet on. Just have a funny feeling. 

The only way to de-Russ, is to re-Ralph

I just think any younger manager is going to struggle. Obviously you've got other older experienced managers. It needs a dad figure

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Wasn't it reported that Ralph wasn't great at the man management?

There are other ways to Dad...

[Suhari]

17 minutes ago, James G said:

I put a bet on. Just have a funny feeling. 

The only way to de-Russ, is to re-Ralph

I just think any younger manager is going to struggle. Obviously you've got other older experienced managers. It needs a dad figure

That'd be decent on a club t-shirt.

[SfcPhil]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tonda Eckert gets the job if we win the next two games (we won't).

Very tricky decision to make for Spors, make the wrong one again and we're likely down, as per the hires of Jones and Juric. We need someone to stop the rot, but I fear it's settled in more than anyone could know. 4 wins in 51 league games.. how can you possibly turn that losing mentality around?

We need to try and stutter along until January and clear as many bad eggs out as possible.

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Vierra would top my list followed shortly by Carrick, although that’s based purely on gravitas and not on much knowledge of how he approaches tactics. What I want to see is evidence of the exorcism of Russball/SR-ball or whatever it is. I also want to see the acid influence of players like Jack Stephens wiped out - I think certain players have much to do with the demise of the culture at the club.

Whatever you say about Will Still at least he had the balls to drop Captain Jack. I fear whoever the new manager is will stick him straight back into the side.

[Oh no Mick Mills]

26 minutes ago, Dr Who? said:

Sky have Russ at 2/1 and Ralph at 7/1. Keep on eye on these as they will suddenly change to a massive favourite, then we will know. 

I think it's going to be Martin..🤫

[trousers]

2 hours ago, saints-til-i-die said:

Spors supposedly likes a high tempo/pressing style rather than possession.

If he picks another manager with a different style than that, he has no credit at all. We need to stop flip flopping and stick to something. You can’t keep buy players for one style and then changing a manager to a different style.

 

2 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Wouldn’t Carrick appointment essentially be going back to the same style of football that Martin had? And he’s had one fourth place finish and a couple of mediocre mid table finishes… a big meh from me.

Yep, my understanding of Carrick's preferred playing style is far removed from Spors' desired "high intensity" style, as stated by Spors when he joined. Carrick would therefore be an illogical appointment.... and since when did the geniuses at the Sport Republic helm ever do anything illogical...?

Ah.... Carrick it is then...

Edited 5 hours ago by trousers

[Crab Lungs]

Gotta funny feeling it’s Ralph.

[Captain Scarlet]

Good article on Gary O’Neil’s tactics, philosophy, etc.

https://learning.coachesvoice.com/cv/gary-o-neil/
 

I think he would be an excellent choice!

[trousers]

5 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Gotta funny feeling it’s Ralph.

Pure hunch, or reading between the lines of what you've heard...?

[qwertyell]

2 hours ago, saints-til-i-die said:

Spors supposedly likes a high tempo/pressing style rather than possession.

If that's true then he's even more incompetent than I thought, having signed Azaz and Downs, who have the combined intensity of an old people's home during a cold snap. 

You can't press if even one player phones it in - the whole system falls apart. 

[qwertyell]

7 minutes ago, Captain Scarlet said:

Good article on Gary O’Neil’s tactics, philosophy, etc.

https://learning.coachesvoice.com/cv/gary-o-neil/
 

I think he would be an excellent choice!

Haven't read it, but I've seen his teams. 

Backwards, sideways propaganda ball, keeping it as far away from their own attacking players as much as possible. 

Fuck that.

[Trader]

Eckert now at 5-1, and shortening

Martin 2-1, Hasenhuttl 7-1

[The Kraken]

I just get the feeling that Eckert is who they really want.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Odds mean absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, just that lots of people have lumped money on 😂🤣

[Willo of Whiteley]

I’m extremely confident it won’t be Ralph or Russ. More than extremely confident in fact. 

The SR thing to do is to promote a promising U21 coach and ruin him within a few games. 😂

[SaintTex]

3 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Yep, did alright last season (finished 13th in Serie A), then sacked 2 days ago with the club bottom and without a win from first nine games of this season (six defeats, three draws). 

sounds like he would fit right in.

[Saints4everChris]

Ralph was a good manager for us during a period of qualitative decline from the days of Pochettino and Koeman. I felt he ran out of ideas a bit at the end but he didn't really have a Premier League level squad at that point. I wouldn't be sorry to see him return.