New Manager Debate

[S-Clarke]

Just now, LegalEagle said:

I’m no advocate for these owners but can I just point out that they are not all bad. They have been prepared to spend decent levels of cash - last time and this time in the Championship - compared to other teams at this level. The problem has been that most of it has been spent on shite players and paying off shite managers. They cannot be accused of not putting their hands in their pockets.

That argument dies a death when you look at what they've wasted over the last 4 years, pretty much every window they've presided over has been a catastrophic mess. They've wasted money. 

We have no idea where this money is coming from or if they're racking up debts to make these mistakes, no idea. But I'm past the point of giving them any slack because of this reasoning now. You can spend all the money you want, but if you just continue to make the same mistakes then you are putting that environment into financial turmoil. 

You wait - next summer when we inevitably are still in the Championship, you'll start to hear all of the nonsense about finances and how we need to look after the club, reduce cash outgoings etc etc. 

[sockeye]

2 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

I’m no advocate for these owners but can I just point out that they are not all bad. They have been prepared to spend decent levels of cash - last time and this time in the Championship - compared to other teams at this level. The problem has been that most of it has been spent on shite players and paying off shite managers. They cannot be accused of not putting their hands in their pockets.

Doesn’t really matter if they spend if they waste it all though does it? And they’ve fucked up enough times that this argument shouldn’t hold water, they aren’t suddenly going to start making sensible appointments now. They are rapidly running out of rope

[LegalEagle]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

They've spent the money that SFC has earnt on SFC (and other teams within the multiclub model!).  No 'extra' cash has been put into the club.

I realise that but they haven’t asset stripped us and pocketed the cash like some other clubs have been subjected to. Small mercies but it could have been a lot worse.

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, LegalEagle said:

I realise that but they haven’t asset stripped us and pocketed the cash like some other clubs have been subjected to. Small mercies but it could have been a lot worse.

Yet....

[S-Clarke]

Just now, sockeye said:

Doesn’t really matter if they spend if they waste it all though does it? And they’ve fucked up enough times that this argument shouldn’t hold water, they aren’t suddenly going to start making sensible appointments now. They are rapidly running out of rope

[Saint NL]

Which one of you is this? Come on, own up. 

 

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Saint NL said:

 

Which one of you is this? Come on, own up. 

 

DT for sure

[Fitzhugh Fella]

2 hours ago, Saint Billy said:

I keep seeing Tony Mowbray's name being linked. Please god just be click bait.

A mate of mine is very friendly with TM. As of yesterday morning he had not been approached..

[The Wyvern]

19 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

I’m no advocate for these owners but can I just point out that they are not all bad. They have been prepared to spend decent levels of cash - last time and this time in the Championship - compared to other teams at this level. The problem has been that most of it has been spent on shite players and paying off shite managers. They cannot be accused of not putting their hands in their pockets.

Does anyone have a running total of how much Solak/SR have put in to date? 

[UpweySaint]

4 hours ago, Turkish said:

This has been the problem for years, even before SR. Buying quantity over quality, buying players for what we can sell them for in 2 years time rather than buying quality now. You can count on one hand the amount of decent, proven players we've brought over the last 10 years or so. Why they do the same thing over and over again is just bizarre. You've got clubs like Brighton, Bournemouth and Forest regularly spending 25m+ on players every window whereas despite having more than a decade of Premier league money were still shopping in the bargain basement. When you think about how much we've wasted over the years on centre backs trying to find the new Van Dijk when we could easily have picked up a couple of good, solid experienced Premier league players and built a back 4 round them. Same with goalkeepers, dicking around with Baz, we could have even picked up better than him on a free transfer over the last few seasons. It’s absolutely ridiculous. 

Largely agree. It’s balance. Taking punts on potential is reasonable when combined with squad building that includes enough seasoned pros to integrate new players alongside. I’m okay with having some hits and some misses but when it leaves us with Stephens, Downes, Armstrong, Aribo and McCarthy as the ‘senior pros’ to fall back on we’ve clearly fucked it.

[Doctoroncall]

6 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Oh yeah, we've got loads of time, it's why it was important to get the manager changed as quickly as possible so we don't pass up the opportunity.

This is the issue, it’s not just changing the manager, but one that can change the culture and get a team out of the squad of players to get the points needed for the playoffs. 
 

If Romeu is coming in as the enforcer/respect the badge or fúck off type player, the manager needs to be able to make changes for the benefit of the team, not sure if SR will go that far, partly protecting their ‘assets’ and changing the management dynamic. Not that there are many Clough/Strachan types who are around at this level. 

[Midfield_General]

26 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

 

Which one of you is this? Come on, own up. 

 

"I'm a boy....man... retired" is a genuinely amazing opener

it's like his entire life flashed before his eyes in three seconds 

We do have a high ratio of shall we say... 'unique' fans, don't we

Edited 1 hour ago by Midfield_General

[Chez]

14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

We have no idea where this money is coming from or if they're racking up debts to make these mistakes, no idea.

We have a reasonable idea. Just look at the club financial statements, all be it the financial year ending June 2025 doesn't come out until March 2026.

[Midfield_General]

28 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

 

Which one of you is this? Come on, own up. 

 

 

[OldNick]

35 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

DT for sure

I thought it was you 

[OldNick]

15 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

"I'm a boy....man... retired" is a genuinely amazing opener

it's like his entire life flashed before his eyes in three seconds 

We do have a high ratio of shall we say... 'unique' fans, don't we

You only have to read the Match thread to work that out lol

[tdmickey3]

30 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I thought it was you 

I did think it might be you but you would be worse

[SaintNewForest]

3 hours ago, Saint Billy said:

I keep seeing Tony Mowbray's name being linked. Please god just be click bait.

Give me someone like Tony Mowbray over Eckert, or another random hipster type appointment no-one has heard of.

Those players need some old-school management. 

[Osvaldorama]

1 hour ago, Saint NL said:

 

Which one of you is this? Come on, own up. 

 

Every day I see more and more evidence that mental asylums need to be brought back.

Fuck me 😂😂

[SaintN14]

New name klaxon

Rene Maric is mentioned in the article below. Austrian who is currently assistant to Komoany at Bayern, and previously an assistant at Leeds. Also ex assistant to Marco Rose at Dortmund. Linked to his first managerial role at Hajduk Split in the summer.
 

His profile feels similar to Will Still ie young (he’s 33), former asssitant, not really an ex pro. Maybe one to watch. 

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/managers-southampton-fc-must-consider-from-germany-miron-muslic/

[23rdSaint]

4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Every day I see more and more evidence that mental asylums need to be brought back.

Fuck me 😂😂

I enjoyed watching @L1Minus10 try not to laugh

[Wade Garrett]

3 minutes ago, SaintN14 said:

New name klaxon

Rene Maric is mentioned in the article below. Austrian who is currently assistant to Komoany at Bayern, and previously an assistant at Leeds. Also ex assistant to Marco Rose at Dortmund. Linked to his first managerial role at Hajduk Split in the summer.
 

His profile feels similar to Will Still ie young (he’s 33), former asssitant, not really an ex pro. Maybe one to watch. 

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/managers-southampton-fc-must-consider-from-germany-miron-muslic/

From his resume, I would say he's someone to very much avoid.

[Chez]

2 hours ago, The Wyvern said:

Does anyone have a running total of how much Solak/SR have put in to date? 

There was an article in the Athletic in April 2023 that said SR had invested £48m in 2022, with the issue of new shares that diluted Katrina's remaining 20% holding and then a further £15m of shares were issued in April 2023.

Looking at the accounts for 2023, shares were also issued to the value of £4m in May 2023 and £18m in June 2023.

I'm no accountant, but that £85m appears in the share premium account, which means its not available to supplement general day to day operating expenses. I think it could be used for capital projects, like a stadium expansion. 

 

Edited just now by Chez

[Saint Scott]