Tonda Eckert

[trousers]

19 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Absolute horseshit.

Pony, surely? 

[die Mannyschaft]

2 minutes ago, IFHP said:

Why has the cunt not been sacked yet.? Along with all the other spy’s in the camp.

Its very odd as those responsible have got the club sanctions and ruined reputation you dont need a FA investigation to be completed to kick em out.

[Starksj1995]

Has he been sacked yet 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 hours ago, Tom & Gerry said:

He will have to go away and hopefully he will learn from this and in time I'd love to have him back.

The Interview...

Tonda! Hi! Thanks for coming in for the interview.

Let's see. The last time you were here you potentially cost the club 200 million, caused massive reputational damage and caused massive resentment.

Well, that's great to see you know how the club operates. Would a week on Monday work for you as a starting date?

Oh, if you see someone in the bushes outside your home. That'll just be one of our interns checking up on you. I'm sure that's nothing you're not used to.

 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Will be interesting to see how much the players love him now.

Wonder whether opinions would change if he was the difference between the likes of Harwood-Bellis staying, or Peretz signing? Etc

[LGTL]

Tonda is Spors pet project. There’s no way one stays without the other. It’s both not one with those two. 

Absolute bullshit to suggest he wasn’t aware you can’t spy by the way. 

[inspectorfrost]

Keep Tonda and the majority of the squad, 'restructure' to virtue signal that it's been stamped out (no one in their right mind would carry it on now regardless) and use the summer to get the players onside.

Maintain the current form in the first 7-8 games next season and the fans will consign this to history. That's the best shot to get promoted less than 12 months from now. Doing the 'right thing' won't get us up next season.

Unfortunately I suspect the FA will ensure Tonda never manages for us again

 

[Eire Saint]

Gone back an forth on this. Yesterday and the day before, I was of the mindset that we should burn it all and start again. Sack the lot. Spors may need to go I reckon if the analysts report to him, but I've come around to the idea of retaining Tonda. Yeah he messed up royally. The sporting advantage from any spying is minimal. There would be nobody on earth more determined to set things right here. He has been our best manager for quite a while. Next season will be brutal with the likes of West Ham, Burnley, Wolves, Milwall, Norwich etc. We can't afford to waste another half season backing the wrong horse. We have to get back up. So that's the question really. Stick with Tonda or open up the mystery box again. I'd stick. 

[AlexLaw76]

Unless he is sacked in next day or so, we are seemingly leaving it to the FA investigation. 

Much like when he got the job, it is starting to feel like the SFC nudge unit is about to spin up with regards to retaining him

[The Wyvern]

1 minute ago, Eire Saint said:

Gone back a forth on this. Yesterday and the day before, I was of the mindset that we should burn it all and start again. Sack the lot. Spors may need to go I reckon if the analysts report to him, but I've come around to the idea of retaining Tonda. Yeah he messed up royally. The sporting advantage from any spying is minimal. There would be nobody on earth more determined to set things right here. He has been our best manager for quite a while. Next season will be brutal with the likes of West Ham, Burnley, Wolves, Milwall, Norwich etc. We can't afford to waste another half season backing the wrong horse. We have to get back up. So that's the question really. Stick with Tonda or open up the mystery box again. I'd stick. 

Completely agree. Unfortunately one way or another he’ll be gone, the pitch forks are out and there won’t be many left standing at the end of this. 

[trousers]

27 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

Unfortunately I suspect the FA will ensure Tonda never manages for us again

I've also pondered this on the main 'spygate' thread, but given the FA didn't sanction Bielsa / Leeds, on what basis would they feel justified in being able to deal with Tonda / Saints December differently, given the activities were the same, without being inconsistent? (Leeds more prolific, in fact) 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by trousers

[AlexLaw76]

Tonda is fucked. Named AND shamed in the IDC report.

Just get rid ffs.

He had people 'spying' on Oxford days, including Xmas Eve.

[beatlesaint]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tonda is fucked. Named AND shamed in the IDC report.

Just get rid ffs.

He had people 'spying' on Oxford days, including Xmas Eve.

I’m afraid that report is pretty damming, no way he stays.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Unless he is sacked in next day or so, we are seemingly leaving it to the FA investigation. 

Much like when he got the job, it is starting to feel like the SFC nudge unit is about to spin up with regards to retaining him

Sounds like we don't even have the minerals to sack him. This club is a complete cluster fuck off epic proportions

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Tonda is fucked. Named AND shamed in the IDC report.

Just get rid ffs.

He had people 'spying' on Oxford days, including Xmas Eve.

Tonda and Parsons at the very least need to go

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Does seem like people are going in hard on Tonda compared to Biesla. 

[RedWillie]

Unfortunately, having read the report, he's toast.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Does seem like people are going in hard on Tonda compared to Biesla. 

because he is a massive part why we are not going to Wembley on Sat

Happy to help

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

because he is a massive part why we are not going to Wembley on Sat

Happy to help

Nice of you to be so condescending. 

[tdmickey3]

14 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Does seem like people are going in hard on Tonda compared to Biesla. 

When Bielsa did it all off the media thought it was funny and nothing to get worked up about

[Saint_lambden]

14 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

The hate against tonda is turning my stomach a bit, if we ended up just getting a fine and the sanction didn’t go against us nobody would be saying a bad word against him .. because it hasn’t gone our way everyone wants him gone.

We only scraped into the playoffs because of the unbeaten run he took us on anyway without that we would still be in the champion next season anyway. Pressurising the club into sacking him cos you want blood is not the answer if you want results next season

Speak for yourself. Bullying of young interns to pressure them in to breaking the rules and then pretending you don’t know what the rules are. I’d be calling for him to go even if we had been reinstated in to the final/weren't  kicked out to begin with - otherwise we signal that this sort of behaviour is fine and that we as a football club have no morals, ethics or integrity. 

[Guan 2.0]

Tonda being named in the report was baked into the price when this debate first arose, at least from my personal perspective. 

Will Sacking Tonda make us any more palatable to the Media? No. We will have this hanging over us for the next year, whichever course we decide. 

Will Sacking Tonda Leave us better off in terms of Achieving Promotion next year? Also no. It will make it infinitely harder. Our rivals are probably desperately hoping we make such a move and finish outside the top 8, wasting another year of Parachute Payments. 

Will Sacking Tonda Reinstate us in this year's Play-off Final? No. Nothing can change that at this point, so it's abscence is not a factor. 

And will Sacking Tonda make it more likely that critical Player identification and acquisition will improve? Seeing as Bree returned, Peretz and Larin were regained or loaned in important positions under his watch, again, no.  

For all the hand-wringing moralising in the report, this isn't a Land Baron employing children to work in coal mines. 

Did Tonda try to gain us Maximum Sporting Advantage? Of Course. But so do 1000 teams who break a million rules related to fair play every day. Teams that dive, go down with fake injuries, or (allegedly) financially dope. 

Some people might claim that Tonda has to go, and "It's the Right thing". Be the honest club. 

This approach has never helped us. 

It didn't help when Gabbiadini wasn't offside.

It didn't help when Newcastle exploited Covid rules.

And it didn't help trying to compete in a league containing teams that (allegedly) work outside the agreed Financial structure.  

For the next few days, this is news. Then the World Cup hype begins. Interest in us goes away. 

As long as Tonda is not banned, we quietly get on with the business of retaining as much of the squad as possible, and recruiting where we need to. 

We realise that the chants from away fans are there anyway, get on with it, and aim for the top 8. 

 

Unless anyone knows of a Top Manager that will come to us in these circumstances? 

Edited 16 minutes ago by Guan 2.0

[Sussex_saint]

I think he’s a brilliant manager but shit will stick. It’s obvious this whole debacle was endorsed by Tonda/ spors/ analysts. “Oh but he didn’t think it was illegal in the uk” what bollocks 😆. Oh sorry I didn’t realise I couldn’t sell my child, it’s legal in Afghanistan though!  Clear them out and restructure. Also, I don’t know about the rest of the saints fans but I don’t feel particularly proud of the fact my club allowed this to happen. Not sacking them sends the message we don’t care. 

[hippo]

5 minutes ago, Guan 2.0 said:

Tonda being named in the report was baked into the price when this debate first arose, at least from my personal perspective. 

Will Sacking Tonda make us any more palatable to the Media? No. We will have this hanging over us for the next year, whichever course we decide. 

Will Sacking Tonda Leave us better off in terms of Achieving Promotion next year? Also no. It will make it infinitely harder. Our rivals are probably desperately hoping we make such a move and finish outside the top 8, wasting another year of Parachute Payments. 

Will Sacking Tonda Reinstate us in this year's Play-off Final? No. Nothing can change that at this point, so it's abscence is not a factor. 

And will Sacking Tonda make it more likely that critical Player identification and acquisition will improve? Seeing as Bree returned, Peretz and Larin were regained or loaned in important positions under his watch, again, no.  

For all the hand-wringing moralising in the report, this isn't a Land Baron employing children to work in coal mines. 

Did Tonda try to gain us Maximum Sporting Advantage? Of Course. But so do 1000 teams who break a million rules related to fair play every day. Teams that dive, go down with fake injuries, or (allegedly) financially dope. 

Some people might claim that Tonda has to go, and "It's the Right thing". Be the honest club. 

This approach has never helped us. 

It didn't help when Gabbiadini wasn't offside.

It didn't help when Newcastle exploited Covid rules.

And it didn't help trying to compete in a league containing teams that (allegedly) work outside the agreed Financial structure.  

For the next few days, this is news. Then the World Cup hype begins. Interest in us goes away. 

As long as Tonda is not banned, we quietly get on with the business of retaining as much of the squad as possible, and recruiting where we need to. 

We realise that the chants from away fans are there anyway, get on with it, and aim for the top 8. 

 

Unless anyone knows of a Top Manager that will come to us in these circumstances? 

I get what you mean, he’s a top coach.

But are we going to stick with him, and then he gets banned by the FA in a month or two and then we’re stuck without a manager or a plan when the season is starting?

We’re still one of the wealthiest teams in the league. We can attract a good manager. 

[CB Fry]

7 minutes ago, Guan 2.0 said:

Tonda being named in the report was baked into the price when this debate first arose, at least from my personal perspective. 

Will Sacking Tonda make us any more palatable to the Media? No. We will have this hanging over us for the next year, whichever course we decide. 

Will Sacking Tonda Leave us better off in terms of Achieving Promotion next year? Also no. It will make it infinitely harder. Our rivals are probably desperately hoping we make such a move and finish outside the top 8, wasting another year of Parachute Payments. 

Will Sacking Tonda Reinstate us in this year's Play-off Final? No. Nothing can change that at this point, so it's abscence is not a factor. 

And will Sacking Tonda make it more likely that critical Player identification and acquisition will improve? Seeing as Bree returned, Peretz and Larin were regained or loaned in important positions under his watch, again, no.  

For all the hand-wringing moralising in the report, this isn't a Land Baron employing children to work in coal mines. 

Did Tonda try to gain us Maximum Sporting Advantage? Of Course. But so do 1000 teams who break a million rules related to fair play every day. Teams that dive, go down with fake injuries, or (allegedly) financially dope. 

Some people might claim that Tonda has to go, and "It's the Right thing". Be the honest club. 

This approach has never helped us. 

It didn't help when Gabbiadini wasn't offside.

It didn't help when Newcastle exploited Covid rules.

And it didn't help trying to compete in a league containing teams that (allegedly) work outside the agreed Financial structure.  

For the next few days, this is news. Then the World Cup hype begins. Interest in us goes away. 

As long as Tonda is not banned, we quietly get on with the business of retaining as much of the squad as possible, and recruiting where we need to. 

We realise that the chants from away fans are there anyway, get on with it, and aim for the top 8. 

 

Unless anyone knows of a Top Manager that will come to us in these circumstances? 

Yeah, he's going to get banned and he's going to get sacked.

There's no point going on about how we suffer from being the "honest club" when we've just been hammered with the biggest punishment in British football history. There you go, we got a massive bollocking, we're not the nice club anymore we're the naughty club. Fucking great. Go us.

Either way, sending young interns off to spy on the opposition when we had easily a top 3 squad in the division was fucking stupidity. So Tonda can get fucked for that. Not dishonesty, just stupidity.

[bpsaint]

20 minutes ago, Guan 2.0 said:

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As long as Tonda is not banned, we quietly get on with the business of retaining as much of the squad as possible, and recruiting where we need to. 
 

You reckon the players are going to want to play for the guy that robbed some of them of their dream of playing in the Premier League? After nearly all of the hard work had been done?

I’ve had this argument on and off throughout the day with people but must be living in an alternative universe. Are there still fans advocating for Tonda to be manager next season? Even after this final damning report of him bullying an intern into spying despite claiming he didn’t know it was against the rules? Like the gross misconduct and bringing the club into disrepute charges weren’t enough 🤯

His job is more untenable than it was an hour ago, and it was already pretty untenable then.

Edited 1 hour ago by bpsaint

[Saint Garrett]

Hes got to go for the top end of the football to gain any respect at all for me. 

If they don't then not only do theyfuck everything up, they also are ok with cheating and have no morals.

[Gary R76]

Surely if we keep him he will give it 200% to win games and that what is needed , After a couple of wins all will be forgiven. I support Saints what ever,

[Matthew Le God]

22 minutes ago, Guan 2.0 said:

Will Sacking Tonda make us any more palatable to the Media? No. 

Imagine what every single press conference would be like if he stayed!

He won't stay, he'll get a long ban from the FA and be sacked for gross misconduct. His position is also probably untenable in terms of his relationship with the players.

[Greenridge]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

I've also pondered this on the main 'spygate' thread, but given the FA didn't sanction Bielsa / Leeds, on what basis would they feel justified in being able to deal with Tonda / Saints December differently, given the activities were the same, without being inconsistent? (Leeds more prolific, in fact) 

 

EFL Regulation 127 was put in place after the Biesla affair. Biesla had a bit of a get out. Eckert didn’t. 

[SaintBobby]

Relations between Tonda and the players are surely now dire. He has to go.

[bpsaint]

9 minutes ago, Gary R76 said:

Surely if we keep him he will give it 200% to win games and that what is needed , After a couple of wins all will be forgiven. I support Saints what ever,

Jesus wept

[maysie]

😂😂

[beatlesaint]

5 minutes ago, maysie said:

😂😂

Can they not keep their fkin noses out now please !!!

[Hawkswood]

7 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Can they not keep their fkin noses out now please !!!

No, let them, that was hilarious 

[Toussaint]

2 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Its very odd as those responsible have got the club sanctions and ruined reputation you dont need a FA investigation to be completed to kick em out.

It might be a big help if they want to void contracts rather than pay them up.

[SouthWalesSaints]

49 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

You reckon the players are going to want to play for the guy that robbed some of them of their dream of playing in the Premier League? After nearly all of the hard work had been done?

I’ve had this argument on and off throughout the day with people but must be living in an alternative universe. Are there still fans advocating for Tonda to be manager next season? Even after this final damning report of him bullying an intern into spying despite claiming he didn’t know it was against the rules? Like the gross misconduct and bringing the club into disrepute charges weren’t enough 🤯

His job is more untenable than it was an hour ago, and it was already pretty untenable then.

The players knew he was spying. I know this for a fact, so it’s all righteous of them now to be pissed off.  Tonda will go, but that’s a huge shame for us imo. 

[James]

16 minutes ago, Hawkswood said:

No, let them, that was hilarious 

You might as well laugh at elements of this and the IQ of the Boro fans on X is definitely one of them. 

[S-Clarke]

26 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Can they not keep their fkin noses out now please !!!

They're going after Hull now, as Hull say they will look to appeal if Boro win the final.

I say go for it Hull, if you don't win, take Gibson to the cleaners. Give us a call and we'll give you a hand. (the fans that is, not our club)

Edited 17 minutes ago by S-Clarke

[Harry_SFC]

3 minutes ago, SouthWalesSaints said:

The players knew he was spying. I know this for a fact, so it’s all righteous of them now to be pissed off.  Tonda will go, but that’s a huge shame for us imo. 

Of course they did. If we'd have been reinstated and won, they wouldn't have given a toss. 

[benali-shorts]

Of course Tonda will be sacked. The only question is whether Spors can avoid the media glare and bring another young, hungry, European coach to St Mary’s or whether we’ll have an experienced English DoF with a strong ethical leaning (your Les Ferdinands, your Matt Hollands) and an honest English journeyman coach in charge next season. 
It’s like voting in a General Election. There are no good choices. 

[James]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

They're going after Hull now, as Hull say they will look to appeal if Boro win the final.

I say go for it Hull, if you don't win, take Gibson to the cleaners. Give us a call and we'll give you a hand. (the fans that is, not our club)

As much as I would love Hull to batter them, it would be absolutely beautiful to watch another OneBoro meltdown when the Hull appeal goes in on Monday. 

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

Personally I don't care one bit what other fans think of us. I don't live in Southampton and find most people have no opinion on the club unless we've done something stupid. For that reason I care not a jot about the clubs 'reputation' because we barely have one outside of the South coast. I suppose the latest debacle will mean every mouth breathing banter merchant will call us cheaters as opposed to Liverpool's feeder club and just as they did then they can go fuck themselves. Tonda Eckert is the best manager we've had in 10 years. For me, if the players are still with him and he's not banned by the FA then we should keep him, develop a siege mentality and make up for this season's catastrophe by winning the league next season.

[badgerx16]

Reading the Panel's reasoning, Tonda is the #1 person responsible for the mess we are in. Even if he isn't warned off by the FA, is he really the person to fix the mess he made ?

[Ed Rooney]

Remember when they promoted selles from within and it fucked up they said they would never make that mistake again….. well fuck me this promoting from within has taken it to a next level fuckin disaster 

[tdmickey3]

17 minutes ago, SouthWalesSaints said:

The players knew he was spying. I know this for a fact, so it’s all righteous of them now to be pissed off.  Tonda will go, but that’s a huge shame for us imo. 

Got them in WhatsApp group have ya 🤣

[St Chalet]

12 minutes ago, Golac's Iron Gonads said:

Personally I don't care one bit what other fans think of us. I don't live in Southampton and find most people have no opinion on the club unless we've done something stupid. For that reason I care not a jot about the clubs 'reputation' because we barely have one outside of the South coast. I suppose the latest debacle will mean every mouth breathing banter merchant will call us cheaters as opposed to Liverpool's feeder club and just as they did then they can go fuck themselves. Tonda Eckert is the best manager we've had in 10 years. For me, if the players are still with him and he's not banned by the FA then we should keep him, develop a siege mentality and make up for this season's catastrophe by winning the league next season.

He'll be gone. The fact he hasn't gone already is that the club will be following an HR process to show Gross Misconduct that means they don't have to pay compensation.