Scoobysaint Posted yesterday at 19:31 Posted yesterday at 19:31 1 hour ago, RedArmy said: Agreed. We got nothing out of that first year of his contract, he was injured. He needs to repay that by giving us that extra year. We bought him, that’s on us. He is thirty this summer, has probably one last decent contract left. I wouldn’t blame him for looking elsewhere. Hope he stays though. 3
Hopper Posted yesterday at 19:34 Posted yesterday at 19:34 4 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: The last game of the season was cancelled for us, so the previous last game was over 5 days away - I don't think it was something the club could help, just yet another resulting effect of the OTT punishment. Yeah read as if the agent and legal team are exploiting a loophole. Really disappointing but does imply we might not have triggered it on promotion. 1
Baird of the land Posted yesterday at 19:34 Posted yesterday at 19:34 4 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: The last game of the season was cancelled for us, so the previous last game was over 5 days away - I don't think it was something the club could help, just yet another resulting effect of the OTT punishment. There was no reason to wait that long to trigger the extension. 1
Harry_SFC Posted yesterday at 19:38 Posted yesterday at 19:38 6 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: The last game of the season was cancelled for us, so the previous last game was over 5 days away - I don't think it was something the club could help, just yet another resulting effect of the OTT punishment. Ridiculous to blame the club for this one. Yes whilst spygate was their own making we obviously didn't know we'd be expelled from the play offs. And I could see why they'd want to wait until after the final game to see what division we were in. I can also see it from Stewart's perspective and that may not make him feel massively wanted. 3
Baird of the land Posted yesterday at 19:39 Posted yesterday at 19:39 Hope the idiots didn’t screw up the Charles extension option too.
Turkish Posted yesterday at 19:42 Posted yesterday at 19:42 1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said: Id go further than that. Would be a disgrace if he doesn’t extend, after the amount we’ve spent with him injured. Agreed. He was injured for pretty much the first two year he was here, getting paid, getting treatment it’s only really been this season when he’s been able to rotate with Larin he’s showing anything. I’d also be amazed given his history and can’t seem to play 90 minutes twice a week if he gets a better offer anywhere else 1
Hopper Posted yesterday at 19:45 Posted yesterday at 19:45 9 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: There was no reason to wait that long to trigger the extension. Actually pretty prudent. If we were promoted we clearly would have considered other targets, that's why it wouldn't have been triggered. 4
St Chalet Posted yesterday at 19:45 Posted yesterday at 19:45 Stewart will go or stay. I personally hope he stays. The issue is we've clearly screwed up our option on him. We will have made him a fair offer, based on his clear ability but also his injury record. The Larin signing is also crucial becuase he will know that minutes will be managed and his career can be extended. He'll either end up 3rd or 4th striker for a Prem team, 2nd fiddle for a relegated Prem club or pumping out major minutes for a middling Champ club.
ChrisPY Posted yesterday at 19:48 Posted yesterday at 19:48 1 minute ago, Hopper said: Actually pretty prudent. If we were promoted we clearly would have considered other targets, that's why it wouldn't have been triggered. Correct. However, it’s also why he doesn’t owe us anything. Hopefully he stays but he’s not irreplaceable.
Baird of the land Posted yesterday at 19:49 Posted yesterday at 19:49 1 minute ago, Hopper said: Actually pretty prudent. If we were promoted we clearly would have considered other targets, that's why it wouldn't have been triggered. It’s completely imprudent. If we got promoted we’d have a tonne of money to improve the team and Stewart has shown ability to produce at that level(when he’s been fit). Not extending him means we’ve now down a key player when our finances are very constrained.
Hopper Posted yesterday at 19:51 Posted yesterday at 19:51 Just now, Baird of the land said: It’s completely imprudent. If we got promoted we’d have a tonne of money to improve the team and Stewart has shown ability to produce at that level(when he’s been fit). Not extending him means we’ve now down a key player when our finances are very constrained. Hate to break it to you mate, because I like the man but I don't think big Roscoe would be lighting up the Prem. If we were promoted I'd imagine we would have invested heavily in that area given Larin was on loan and Ross was due. 2
AlexLaw76 Posted yesterday at 19:54 Posted yesterday at 19:54 Even this season, Stewart was fucked for a bit. But, I don't blame him for trying to eek out as many £££ as he can (and/or) at the highest level he can. 3
Badger Posted yesterday at 20:05 Posted yesterday at 20:05 28 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: There was no reason to wait that long to trigger the extension. Not knowing which division you’re going to be in seems a sound reason to me. How do you pitch the salary proposal without knowing that ? 2
Baird of the land Posted yesterday at 20:13 Posted yesterday at 20:13 4 minutes ago, Badger said: Not knowing which division you’re going to be in seems a sound reason to me. How do you pitch the salary proposal without knowing that ? The option to extend the existing deal by a year would surely be at a set contractual rate.
Pip Posted yesterday at 20:19 Posted yesterday at 20:19 I thought I read that the club were hoping to keep Ross either way but wanted to renegotiate the terms of the contract. Could mean anything - extra couple of years at a reduced rate, more weighted towards actual games played? Not necessarily all to Ross’s detriment.
Pilchards Posted yesterday at 20:51 Posted yesterday at 20:51 Larin and Stewart are like for like. Maybe it’s time for Stewart to move on as he’s never been a 90 minutes player. 2
Badger Posted yesterday at 20:59 Posted yesterday at 20:59 6 minutes ago, Pilchards said: Larin and Stewart are like for like. Maybe it’s time for Stewart to move on as he’s never been a 90 minutes player. Not sure either are. Larin with a full summer of Saints prep under Tonda might be a different proposition.
saintwbu Posted yesterday at 21:09 Posted yesterday at 21:09 Presume that Stewart was due a pay rise on promotion like most players, and maybe we’d have re-negotiated down to his current rate if we got promoted with perhaps an extra year, or stuck with the current terms if we didn’t. I have to say, for a guy who’s spent most of the peak of his career injured, and is now over 30, it’s a hell of a gamble to leave yourself out of contract whilst heading to play more football over the summer. I hope he knows what he’s doing, for his sake!
Dr Who? Posted yesterday at 22:06 Posted yesterday at 22:06 2 hours ago, Baird of the land said: Hope the idiots didn’t screw up the Charles extension option too. I think he has a clause that if a premier league team come in for the right money, he can leave. I may have made that up. But we cannot stand in his way if a ‘big’ club make a move for him. Would love to keep him, that would be amazing.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Stewart is a difficult one to call - on the one hand we know he can score goals, however his continued fitness is a big issue which has basically been managed by rotation with Larin. Has his fitness improved because he’s been able to take rest breaks and not over-stretch himself? Overall, as with many of the players, he’s a known quantity who was an integral part of a squad that went 21 + games undefeated. That’s a significant reason to keep hold of him IMO.
Convict Colony Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago With his lawyers pushing back on the option due to timing its a risky period for him. In the World cup he might get injured so where does that leave him, we would i assume take back the offer.
waterlooville saint Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago The Stewart situation is frustrating, but I’m not blaming either party. its easy to say the club should have sorted it earlier but we were in an insane fixture schedule in March, April and early May, so I’d have expected both sides to say let’s sort it straight away after the end of the season. The club may well have wanted to extend by an extra year as part of that. As a fan I’m frustrated, but I can understand why Stewart and his representatives want to take this unexpected opportunity to look at other opportunities, especially if he has a good World Cup 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago Clearly not the clubs fault (if you take the spying bit away). From what I understand it wasn’t an open ended “you can extend the contract anytime up until 5 days after the last game”. It was a specific “in the 5 days following the last game”. The only way we could have resigned him before we were chucked out, would have been on different terms. It’s pretty hard to get a deal done when you don’t know which league you’re be in, & by the time we knew, the deadline had passed. 7
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 31 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Clearly not the clubs fault (if you take the spying bit away). From what I understand it wasn’t an open ended “you can extend the contract anytime up until 5 days after the last game”. It was a specific “in the 5 days following the last game”. The only way we could have resigned him before we were chucked out, would have been on different terms. It’s pretty hard to get a deal done when you don’t know which league you’re be in, & by the time we knew, the deadline had passed. You know sometimes, you make sense. 5
saintant Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 32 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Clearly not the clubs fault (if you take the spying bit away). From what I understand it wasn’t an open ended “you can extend the contract anytime up until 5 days after the last game”. It was a specific “in the 5 days following the last game”. The only way we could have resigned him before we were chucked out, would have been on different terms. It’s pretty hard to get a deal done when you don’t know which league you’re be in, & by the time we knew, the deadline had passed. Tell that to the Baird as it might pacify his anger.
Master Bates Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago Twitter has us linked with this guy, 1 game in 3 years? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jofre_Carreras
23rdSaint Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Master Bates said: Twitter has us linked with this guy, 1 game in 3 years? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jofre_Carreras Wiki not updated: 1
ally_uk Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago Regarding Stewart situation if he doesn't want to renew. How about someone like Salech at Cardiff?
Rebel Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 17 minutes ago, ally_uk said: Regarding Stewart situation if he doesn't want to renew. How about someone like Salech at Cardiff? Salech would have been a good buy last summer when Cardiff went down instead of going for Damian Downs. Now I am not sure if the 'team dynamics' would work with him being Palestinian I think - and Peretz being Israeli. It might be a non-issue but its certainly something that should be considered. In a perfect world it wouldn't matter.
Rebel Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago How about that Brazilian striker from Goztepe - Juan or something like that I think it is? Apparently he's only valued at £12-15M - they got him from somewhere for a real steal. Whilst were at it their goalkeeper Mateus Liz would make a great back-up to Peretz along with Ollie Wright. They got him cheap somewhere as well.
Rebel Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago Kaspar Hogh anyone? Or is he heading for a higher level than the Championship now?
Hopper Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 38 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said: Wiki not updated: Wasn't this the lad that was a real handful when we played them in pre-season last year? 1
coalman Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Rebel said: How about that Brazilian striker from Goztepe - Juan or something like that I think it is? Apparently he's only valued at £12-15M - they got him from somewhere for a real steal. Whilst were at it their goalkeeper Mateus Liz would make a great back-up to Peretz along with Ollie Wright. They got him cheap somewhere as well. Rasmus needs them for Goztepe's European campaign next season. And by European campaign I mean the Turkish Super Lig because they still couldn't qualify despite us subsidising them. #multiclubWins
saintant Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Rebel said: Kaspar Hogh anyone? Or is he heading for a higher level than the Championship now? Seems to be interest in him from Celtic and Hearts. Looks to score plenty of goals along with lots of assists so could be a good option although obviously we can't offer him European football. Denmark did not qualify for World Cup so that takes him out of that shop window.
StrangelyBrown Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 10 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Stewart is a difficult one to call - on the one hand we know he can score goals, however his continued fitness is a big issue which has basically been managed by rotation with Larin. Has his fitness improved because he’s been able to take rest breaks and not over-stretch himself? Overall, as with many of the players, he’s a known quantity who was an integral part of a squad that went 21 + games undefeated. That’s a significant reason to keep hold of him IMO. If we manage him by rotating him and Larin and they carried on pushing each other and scoring goals would you take it? I would and I'm not sure why we wouldn't do that anyway to a certain extent with the large number of games if he wasn't crocked. 1
Midfield_General Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 14 hours ago, Baird of the land said: If we got promoted we’d have a tonne of money to improve the team and Stewart has shown ability to produce at that level(when he’s been fit). Yes he's shown that at Prem level he's a one goal every 12 games man - those don't grow on trees
LegalEagle Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Vipotnik at Swansea. Realistic and affordable. 2 1
Jack Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 22 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said: If we manage him by rotating him and Larin and they carried on pushing each other and scoring goals would you take it? I would and I'm not sure why we wouldn't do that anyway to a certain extent with the large number of games if he wasn't crocked. 100%. Now that Larin has signed, I’d love to see Stewart stay. We’ve proven that by rotating the two of them we can keep them fit and fresh, and since Larin came in they were the top two in the league for goals/minute. If Stewart goes, that should still be the blueprint, get a second target man so we can play the same way whether it’s Larin or the other one starting. 2
Lighthouse Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 minutes ago, LegalEagle said: Vipotnik at Swansea. Realistic and affordable. I don’t think a 6’1" 24 year old with 23 league goals is going to be either of those things, at least for another Championship team. He’ll most likely end up at one of the promoted teams or somewhere like Leeds or Forest. We have to balance the books this summer, I don’t think we’re going to be seeing £15m+ signings, especially a striker when we’ve just signed Larin. 2
LeBizzier69 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Midfield_General said: Yes he's shown that at Prem level he's a one goal every 12 games man - those don't grow on trees or Lochs in his case. 2
Jack Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, LegalEagle said: Vipotnik at Swansea. Realistic and affordable. This could also be decent, but he’s only had one decent season really. Will be interesting to see if he can replicate it. 23 goals in 44 this season, only 7 in 42 the season before, and 10 in 37 in Ligue 2 before that. Edited 11 hours ago by Jack
WALK DMC Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, 23rdSaint said: Wiki not updated: I think that this rumour may have legs. Tom Fellows didn't fully impress last year, so right wing is a position that I can see us recruiting for. This guy is experienced, he has played around 60 games in La Liga. However his best stats were in 23-24 when Espanyol were in the Segunda division, so perhaps the step up has proven difficult for him, which could be why they are willing to let him go. He is a good age (25 this month), but Youtube highlights are very limited. Of what there is, he looks like a classic winger (reminds me a little of Ton Fellows!). Might be a Twitter rumour worth watching.
Badger Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, 23rdSaint said: Wiki not updated: Googled and found this: https://lagrada.org/southampton-jofre-carreras-espanyol-fichaje-mercado-cazurreando/ Haven’t looked to translate it yet.
Hopper Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Badger said: Googled and found this: https://lagrada.org/southampton-jofre-carreras-espanyol-fichaje-mercado-cazurreando/ Haven’t looked to translate it yet. Jofre Carreras' name is once again emerging in the transfer market. According to Ángel García, better known on social media as "Cazurreando", Southampton are considering a move for the RCD Espanyol winger. At this stage, we're not talking about a completed deal or even a formal offer, but there is reported interest from England, putting the Espanyol player on the radar of a club with genuine ambitions rather than a minor side. Jofre Carreras: A Different Profile for Southampton The thinking from Southampton appears fairly straightforward. The Saints are looking for a wide player who can offer something different from their current options, and Jofre fits that profile. He may not always attract the biggest headlines, but he has been involved with Espanyol's first team for the past three seasons. This campaign, he made 26 appearances, including nine starts. That statistic sums up his situation quite well: he isn't an undisputed starter, but neither is he simply making up the numbers. He's a player who competes for minutes, contributes when called upon, and still possesses the potential for further development. Southampton's Push to Return to the Premier League Southampton's situation also adds context to the reported interest. The club remains focused on securing a return to the Premier League, but their recent Championship campaign was far from straightforward. The season was overshadowed by the well-publicised "Spygate" controversy involving alleged surveillance of rival training sessions, including those of Middlesbrough. The fallout contributed to Southampton missing out on promotion through the play-offs, turning the end of their season into a highly turbulent affair. It was certainly not a calm spring at St Mary's. Now, as the club looks to rebuild and challenge for promotion once again, Southampton are reportedly assessing players who could strengthen that project. According to Cazurreando's information, Jofre Carreras is one of those players. A Career Still Waiting for Consistency There is a feeling that Jofre still hasn't shown his best form over an extended period. He possesses pace, directness, and the ability to beat defenders in wide areas, qualities that are increasingly valuable in modern football. At times, he has lacked consistency, while on other occasions he has struggled to impose himself on matches. It's also fair to say that Espanyol's environment has not always been the easiest setting for a young player to develop without pressure or scrutiny. Nevertheless, he continues to progress, and interest from a club like Southampton suggests that his performances have not gone unnoticed outside Spain, even if local criticism often receives more attention than his strengths. Interest, Not a Done Deal It's important to keep the situation in perspective. Southampton's interest does not mean that Jofre is about to leave Espanyol, nor does it indicate that the Catalan club are actively looking to sell him. For now, the key word is interest. Southampton reportedly have him on their shortlist, but there is still a considerable distance between monitoring a player and completing a transfer. As is often the case during transfer windows, a player's name can appear on a recruitment list one day, disappear a few days later, or unexpectedly develop into serious negotiations when nobody sees it coming. 3
Badger Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Hopper said: Jofre Carreras' name is once again emerging in the transfer market. According to Ángel García, better known on social media as "Cazurreando", Southampton are considering a move for the RCD Espanyol winger. At this stage, we're not talking about a completed deal or even a formal offer, but there is reported interest from England, putting the Espanyol player on the radar of a club with genuine ambitions rather than a minor side. Jofre Carreras: A Different Profile for Southampton The thinking from Southampton appears fairly straightforward. The Saints are looking for a wide player who can offer something different from their current options, and Jofre fits that profile. He may not always attract the biggest headlines, but he has been involved with Espanyol's first team for the past three seasons. This campaign, he made 26 appearances, including nine starts. That statistic sums up his situation quite well: he isn't an undisputed starter, but neither is he simply making up the numbers. He's a player who competes for minutes, contributes when called upon, and still possesses the potential for further development. Southampton's Push to Return to the Premier League Southampton's situation also adds context to the reported interest. The club remains focused on securing a return to the Premier League, but their recent Championship campaign was far from straightforward. The season was overshadowed by the well-publicised "Spygate" controversy involving alleged surveillance of rival training sessions, including those of Middlesbrough. The fallout contributed to Southampton missing out on promotion through the play-offs, turning the end of their season into a highly turbulent affair. It was certainly not a calm spring at St Mary's. Now, as the club looks to rebuild and challenge for promotion once again, Southampton are reportedly assessing players who could strengthen that project. According to Cazurreando's information, Jofre Carreras is one of those players. A Career Still Waiting for Consistency There is a feeling that Jofre still hasn't shown his best form over an extended period. He possesses pace, directness, and the ability to beat defenders in wide areas, qualities that are increasingly valuable in modern football. At times, he has lacked consistency, while on other occasions he has struggled to impose himself on matches. It's also fair to say that Espanyol's environment has not always been the easiest setting for a young player to develop without pressure or scrutiny. Nevertheless, he continues to progress, and interest from a club like Southampton suggests that his performances have not gone unnoticed outside Spain, even if local criticism often receives more attention than his strengths. Interest, Not a Done Deal It's important to keep the situation in perspective. Southampton's interest does not mean that Jofre is about to leave Espanyol, nor does it indicate that the Catalan club are actively looking to sell him. For now, the key word is interest. Southampton reportedly have him on their shortlist, but there is still a considerable distance between monitoring a player and completing a transfer. As is often the case during transfer windows, a player's name can appear on a recruitment list one day, disappear a few days later, or unexpectedly develop into serious negotiations when nobody sees it coming. Thanks. Interesting, seems an off the bench or rotation option with Fellows. Presumably and assuming they stay: Scienza/Edozie on the right, Fellows/Carreras(or another) on the left
Hopper Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 8 minutes ago, Badger said: Thanks. Interesting, seems an off the bench or rotation option with Fellows. Presumably and assuming they stay: Scienza/Edozie on the right, Fellows/Carreras(or another) on the left Yeah looks like a depth option with high potential. Thinking about it, it also potentially allows Matuski to play as a backup 10. Dragan was talking about that position needing some depth to give Finn a break. Edited 11 hours ago by Hopper
saintant Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 57 minutes ago, LegalEagle said: Vipotnik at Swansea. Realistic and affordable. Not according to Baird.
Badger Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Hopper said: Yeah looks like a depth option with high potential. Thinking about it, it also potentially allows Matuski to play as a backup 10. Dragan was talking about that position needing some depth to give Finn a break. Matsuki is an interesting one. He brings something when he’s involved, but hasn’t really shown or nailed his position. I’m not sure it’s as a wide player although he has performed there,second striker (bit too hipster phrase for me - whatever that is), or midfield.
saintant Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Badger said: Matsuki is an interesting one. He brings something when he’s involved, but hasn’t really shown or nailed his position. I’m not sure it’s as a wide player although he has performed there,second striker (bit too hipster phrase for me - whatever that is), or midfield. Think he's one of those valuable players who are versatile and can play in a number of positions. I think there is a lot more to come from Matsuki who never seems to have a bad game. 12
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 27 minutes ago, saintant said: Think he's one of those valuable players who are versatile and can play in a number of positions. I think there is a lot more to come from Matsuki who never seems to have a bad game. Yeah I agree with this - what I saw in Matsuki was a player growing in confidence as he adopted the role(s) and instructions given him by Tonda. And the point of this coming season is to build on last seasons incredible unbeaten run -surely the best way to do that is to utilise the players that were involved in that run. 3
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