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2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Tonda Eckert has stated on a number of occasions when asked about Jander what the situation is. There is no silence on it. He returned to training last week, he was hoping he'd be ready for West Ham, if not he might be ready for the game vs Millwall.

Ok.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Shouting isn't leadership

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2 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

 

"Sorry mate, we had the studwork replaced by breeze block in the close season."

 

I think Gary 'Wacko' Wackett would punch through the breeze block!

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32 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

 

I expect us to reinvest a significant proportion of the transfer fee into signing someone with similar dynamism to Charles.  I doubt if THB leaves you'll be championing signing Jannik vestergaard on a free.

Football is about opinions. In my opinion JWP on a free or nominal fee is a good replacement at our level for Charles, even though he isn’t as good (we don’t have £30m to spend). It sounds like we could get preferential terms from JWP in terms of his contract because of his affiliation with the club. I would say it would be poor on our part if we weren’t interested. Subject to the finances of the agreement it would mean that we can save upfront payments for transfer fees and reinvest elsewhere.  Your last point doesn’t merit a response but we should be in for Adam Webster on a free

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48 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

Bolton in for Gavin Bazunu, according to Alan Nixon (I know... but he's decent enough on NW English clubs usually)

 

41 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said:

Is that the bloke who had an argument with a pie or something?

Yes, yes it is. And lost. 😂😂😂

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Posted (edited)
42 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I think it's worth remembering that some of that cash alongside paying debts may be used to enable us to fend off and keep the likes of Scienza and Jander. 

We need to cover the £15M loss in parachute payments from last season (regardless of servicing any other debt / losses). 

Charles for circa £22M into the club (rest to city) and £6M for fernandes will offset the Dobbin £11M, Peretz and Larin fees (circa £8M).

Debates can be had on where the AA monies sit within this.

But ultimately, some of that THB money will likely be squirreled away to cover our drop in parachute payments and servicing the existing debt. I'd be pleasantly pleased if we reinvest 2/3 of it.

Fail to get promoted next season and we drop another circa £40M in revenue.

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So that’s a no from the last 2 clubs he’s played for, who are in the same league as us. But a yes from us. 
 

If he hadn’t played for us, people would rightly be asking why West Ham don’t want him, & why Burnley appear to be showing no interest in a bloke, with more in his “locker” than Shea Charles. 
 

OR, Theo Walcott & Lallana were far better players than he ever was, and look how those worked out. You wouldn’t want him above Manning on free kicks, he wouldn’t add more energy & wouldn’t toughen up the centre of the pitch. Bill Shankley once said there’s a difference between old players and experienced players, I know which side of the line Prowse falls imo…

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Do you know what, I've been mulling it over since hearing the first lot of JWP chat, but fuck it, I'd welcome him back in a heartbeat. As long as he returns with more of his shithouse streak than son in law! 

Who are these centre backs we're linked with anyway? Any good? Are they as good as Lyanco? ;)

Posted
1 hour ago, Chez said:

He's never had pace, and that doesn't matter a lot for a CM, but CMs do need to get around the pitch quickly to shut down attacks and that's been a weakness in Prowse's game. An ability to cover the ground wont get better with age. Being in the right position helps a lot, but athleticism in the middle is needed fro a defensive point of view.

Agree re pace not being essential for a CM. The weakness I saw in his game is that he was slow on the turn and sometimes got caught square to his man so players went past him. Always thought that was something that could be addressed with coaching. Haven’t seen enough of him recently to know whether he’s improved it.

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24 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

We need to cover the £15M loss in parachute payments from last season (regardless of servicing any other debt / losses). 

Charles for circa £22M into the club (rest to city) and £6M for fernandes will offset the Dobbin £11M, Peretz and Larin fees (circa £8M).

Debates can be had on where the AA monies sit within this.

But ultimately, some of that THB money will likely be squirreled away to cover our drop in parachute payments and servicing the existing debt. I'd be pleasantly pleased if we reinvest 2/3 of it.

Fail to get promoted next season and we drop another circa £40M in revenue.

I know it will. Hence the "alongside paying debts" bit.

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Posted
Just now, Graffito said:

Agree re pace not being essential for a CM. The weakness I saw in his game is that he was slow on the turn and sometimes got caught square to his man so players went past him. Always thought that was something that could be addressed with coaching. Haven’t seen enough of him recently to know whether he’s improved it.

This is where Oriol Romeu was so good first time around. Not quick whatsoever but superb positional awareness and very comfortable on the half-turn. 

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4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So that’s a no from the last 2 clubs he’s played for, who are in the same league as us. But a yes from us. 
 

If he hadn’t played for us, people would rightly be asking why West Ham don’t want him, & why Burnley appear to be showing no interest in a bloke, with more in his “locker” than Shea Charles. 
 

OR, Theo Walcott & Lallana were far better players than he ever was, and look how those worked out. You wouldn’t want him above Manning on free kicks, he wouldn’t add more energy & wouldn’t toughen up the centre of the pitch. Bill Shankley once said there’s a difference between old players and experienced players, I know which side of the line Prowse falls imo…

I‘m not sure if he wasn’t given many free kick opportunities at WHU/Forest/Burnley but he’s one of the best free kick takers the PL has seen. I think he’d be first choice on free kicks unless it suits Manning’s left foot.

Otherwise, I do share concerns on what 31yo JWP is going to be like. I do think fitness and stamina wise he is super reliable, like Milner he could play for a few more years yet. Might not be getting an over the hill player as a result and he’s stepping down a level too.

My biggest concern is the absence of that strong and powerful box to box player in our squad options. Charles profile will very much be missed.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Chez said:

yeah, skate c**t appears to be the more appropriate turn of phrase 😉

he was a pompey season ticket holder who called their fa cup win the best day of his life, was a mascot for them, and counted andy awford as his favourite player.

I really don't understand why people seem to want to erase this because it doesn't fit the narrative, he's a skate cunt, he was born there and supported them, and held a season ticket.

If people are going to say he's not then no one is. Then again they'll also be the same people singing "we hate pompey", or fathers gun, when clearly they don't actually hate them. I on the other hand do.

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Posted
58 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

His teammates, ex managers and guys who have reported on the club for years said he was a leader of the dressing room which probably means more than someone on a forum talking about hair flicks, in fairness

On the second point, not sure he will know a lot of the squad really? He'll know Bree, Stephens and Edozie as they played together for a bit and he'll know Manning because they did a preseason together but I don't think there is anyone else from back when we got relegated from the PL in 2023 that will still be here after the deadline

The dressing room that were relegated during his inspirational captaincy. 

Posted
1 minute ago, franniesTache said:

he was a pompey season ticket holder who called their fa cup win the best day of his life, was a mascot for them, and counted andy awford as his favourite player.

I really don't understand why people seem to want to erase this because it doesn't fit the narrative, he's a skate cunt, he was born there and supported them, and held a season ticket.

If people are going to say he's not then no one is. Then again they'll also be the same people singing "we hate pompey", or fathers gun, when clearly they don't actually hate them. I on the other hand do.

why do you care about this?

Bobby Stokes was a Pompey lad also wasn't he

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1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

why do you care about this?

Bobby Stokes was a Pompey lad also wasn't he

He wasn't a fan, a season ticket holder, a mascot and claimed their fa cup win as the best day of his life. Why don't you care about that?

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We aren’t asking him to be captain and main man for a mid table PL side, he will be 2nd or 3rd choice CM in a championship playoff chasing side, which is a completely different level. Look at how well players like Matt Grimes have done in the Championship. He’s good enough.

My worry is about not having a Charles profile of player, not that JWP isn’t good enough for what we need.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

My biggest concern is the absence of that strong and powerful box to box player in our squad options. Charles profile will very much be missed.

Yep at this level going for another sideways plodder over a box to box type is going to cost us points.

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2 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

He wasn't a fan, a season ticket holder, a mascot and claimed their fa cup win as the best day of his life. Why don't you care about that?

A very odd thing to hand your hat on why a player should not sign.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

yeah, not sure it was his fault what so ever

Im not sure it was his fault as he always gave 100%, what I was alludingtowas the facr that he was a leader to the team, and so the evidence could be seen as he wasnt a very good leader. I must add he was brilliant when he marked Saha (?) for Palace and he took some fantastic free kicks, but he did shuffle of when he got the chance

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It really is sad that the JWP deal is only happening after the feeders had been put out by certain sources.

It reminds me of the Glenn Hoddle return rumours many years ago. 99% hated him and wanted nothing to do with him but the public opinion started to change slowly as chants were heard at matches.

Then all of a sudden they announced someone else. (Mark Hughes was it?!?)

Posted
7 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

he was a pompey season ticket holder who called their fa cup win the best day of his life, was a mascot for them, and counted andy awford as his favourite player.

I really don't understand why people seem to want to erase this because it doesn't fit the narrative, he's a skate cunt, he was born there and supported them, and held a season ticket.

If people are going to say he's not then no one is. Then again they'll also be the same people singing "we hate pompey", or fathers gun, when clearly they don't actually hate them. I on the other hand do.

Where’s this quote of him saying Portsmouth winning the fa cup was the best day of his life? I’ve not heard that one before.

Being a STH or mascot as a kid isn’t always the child’s choice. 

Pretty sure he’s kissed our badge a few times in celebrations etc. Played over 400 times for us over a 20 year period. I don’t think he’s the full blown skate you are making him out to be.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Shouting isn't leadership

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Perhaps in your woke life where shouting may be frowned on, but a good captain knows when to give out a bollocking to his teamates to shake them up. 

Posted
12 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

he was a pompey season ticket holder who called their fa cup win the best day of his life, was a mascot for them, and counted andy awford as his favourite player.

I really don't understand why people seem to want to erase this because it doesn't fit the narrative, he's a skate cunt, he was born there and supported them, and held a season ticket.

If people are going to say he's not then no one is. Then again they'll also be the same people singing "we hate pompey", or fathers gun, when clearly they don't actually hate them. I on the other hand do.

Carragher an Everton fan still?

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10 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

We aren’t asking him to be captain and main man for a mid table PL side, he will be 2nd or 3rd choice CM in a championship playoff chasing side, which is a completely different level. Look at how well players like Matt Grimes have done in the Championship. He’s good enough.

My worry is about not having a Charles profile of player, not that JWP isn’t good enough for what we need.

Pretty much my thoughts too. I think other than Downes our options are a bit lightweight/slow. 

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Posted
12 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

We aren’t asking him to be captain and main man for a mid table PL side, he will be 2nd or 3rd choice CM in a championship playoff chasing side, which is a completely different level. Look at how well players like Matt Grimes have done in the Championship. He’s good enough.

My worry is about not having a Charles profile of player, not that JWP isn’t good enough for what we need.

He won't be 3rd choice and likely not 2nd choice. If he signs he'll probably be a regular starter.

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2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Perhaps in your woke life where shouting may be frowned on, but a good captain knows when to give out a bollocking to his teamates to shake them up. 

Name other industries where it is acceptable? Not a long list.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Name other industries where it is acceptable? Not a long list.

What a daft question. 

A football pitch isn't a boardroom, classroom, office, building site, etc

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Name other industries where it is acceptable? Not a long list.

Stock trading
Auctioneering
Fish Markets
Military Training
Hearing Aid test facilities
 

I HAVE LOADS MORE.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Name other industries where it is acceptable? Not a long list.

I dont know if you have played competitive sport, but if you have and not had players/captains/managers tearing you off a strip to get a reaction your teams may have been pushovers

Posted
2 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Stock trading
Auctioneering
Fish Markets
Military Training
Hearing Aid test facilities
 

I HAVE LOADS MORE.

Dont need to shout 😀

Posted
22 minutes ago, franniesTache said:

He wasn't a fan, a season ticket holder, a mascot and claimed their fa cup win as the best day of his life. Why don't you care about that?

Why do you care about it?  It's not an issue. Do you think he has ever not given his best for us because of it? Maybe for him and most normal people the club you support doesn't define his entire life 

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