Ramifications

[Toussaint]

After another restless fever dream sleep, cheers SFC, I was thinking what could the fallout be from our expulsion. Personally I think the punishment excessive, (I know others think we deserve it), but nevertheless we are where we are.
 

Without trying to catastrophise too much here,  we go  for starters:

Reputational damage 

P&O Cruises / sponsorships 

The young supporters, the ones we are trying to get interested in the local side. 

Player Exodus

Saints foundation 

Season ticket sales / memberships

local business and hospitality 

Corporate packages 

Ongoing legal actions / class actions 

Good will (evaporation thereof)

 

it’s going to be a long road back! 

[Give it to Ron]

I’m just angry, I too had bad sleep but watched my club for 60+ years was thinking of walking but this morning changed my mind.

Its my club not SR or Tonda or players that now leave.

i will be there next season why because I have to I have invested so much I can’t walk away yes I maybe a mug but we will rise again in time.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

Yeah, but on the bright side we probably know who takes the throw ins for Oxford when they're training.

[Turkish]

And we’re going to have to put up with dickheads writing open letters to the club 

[CB Fry]

If we'd had a fan on the board none of this would have happened.

[AlexLaw76]

Get the right manager in early, have a decent start, all will be largely forgotten by the Saints fan base.

However, another Will still, Nathan Jones, Ruben Selles, Ivan Juric, Gavin Bazunu, Damion Downs....and it will not be forgotton

Odds-on, SR will fuck it all up (again)

[Osvaldorama]

We’ll be laughing about it when HMS piss the league steamrollers into the autos next season

[Tommy]

Woke up this morning feeling same as last night, we will not be renewing our season tickets until this ownership and everyone involved in the football side of the business has gone

[Saint NL]

Next seasons Championship is looking tasty though. Burnley and Wolves will do well, West Ham could go either way, Wrexham, Brum and Norwich will be up there. 6 teams in the playoffs as well, could be a mad season if we don't waste half of it.

 

Plus grudge matches with Pompey and Boro

Edited 15 hours ago by Saint NL

[Patrick Bateman]

11 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

We’ll be laughing about it when HMS piss the league steamrollers into the autos next season

With Eckert still in charge ... I can see it now ... 😂

[LeBizzier69]

Looking forward to the really testing questions at the next fans forum. About physical season tickets etc.

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, LeBizzier69 said:

Looking forward to the really testing questions at the next fans forum. About physical season tickets etc.

Count me surprised, but if these idiots are still in power, they will avoid any public forums. When the going gets tough they hide. They only come out bleating when something has gone well.

[wild-saint]

The decent players would have gone whether we lost or not. The rest will be on decent contracts and aren’t swapping contracts with a team that pays less. Sponsorships who knows? But as they say even bad o publicity is good publicity. 

Correct manager with a decent “project story” and the players will come. I think it will be bumpy but manageable if dealt correctly. 

Season ticket sales will be down but most will be back after a few wins early doors whilst the real fans sing “where were you when we were shit”

all it will take is putting 11 decent players out on the pitch. The champs is shit and so won’t be that hard. 

[SNSUN]

21 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

Next seasons Championship is looking tasty though. Burnley and Wolves will do well, West Ham could go either way, Wrexham, Brum and Norwich will be up there. 6 teams in the playoffs as well, could be a mad season if we don't waste half of it.

 

Plus grudge matches with Pompey and Boro

You mean Spurs right? 😁🤞 

"Dear heavenly Father, please could you ensure West Ham and Everton win on the last day - to take the heat off Saints for a bit. Cheers Bro."

[so22saint]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Count me surprised, but if these idiots are still in power, they will avoid any public forums. When the going gets tough they hide. They only come out bleating when something has gone well.

They are surprisingly brittle - I felt they only really gave up on Will Still when the crowd started singing "Sport Republic get out of our club".

I always thought Serbian's called Dragan were more like this 

 

 

[SNSUN]

36 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

We’ll be laughing about it when HMS piss the league steamrollers into the autos next season

Premier League in May 2027 - "Oh shit, they're coming. Update all the rules and hire the best lawyers!"

[S-Clarke]

37 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

We’ll be laughing about it when HMS piss the league steamrollers into the autos next season

There's a bit of a thought that the club uses this entire charade as fuel and 'anger' in the right way, to put right what they feel is unjust on the football pitch - But I just don't feel that is going to happen for us. let's be honest - We're too weak. We'll spend the next 6 weeks sat in silence dawdling.  

Edited 14 hours ago by S-Clarke

[Saint NL]

4 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

You mean Spurs right? 😁🤞 

"Dear heavenly Father, please could you ensure West Ham and Everton win on the last day - to take the heat off Saints for a bit. Cheers Bro."

No, the football gods are cruel and won't let us have this

[Noodles34]

Players lost - Peretz - HB - Charles - Scienza - possibly Jander - Downes - Azaz and the replacements, who knows. 

 

[Jeremy Corbyn]

Might be sensible to bring in a man-of-the-people manager, a Neil Warnock type, for a season to help our extenal perception.

[James G]

Time is a great healer

The club need to tidy up, refund fans and sack folk

Then let the players have their holidays and have a break, or go to the world cup 

The cheat tag will fade over time. Every club has their skeletons. Hull could easily have beaten us anyway, and if we win the first game next season we are almost back on parity 

[Osvaldorama]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

There's a bit of a thought that the club uses this entire charade as fuel and 'anger' in the right way, to put right what they feel is unjust on the football pitch - But I just don't feel that is going to happen for us. let's be honest - We're too weak. We'll spend the next 6 weeks sat in silence dawdling.  

One thing we can absolutely guarantee with these helmets in charge, is they will find a new way to fuck it all up 😂

[Mattio]

[Turkish]

55 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

If we'd had a fan on the board none of this would have happened.

@um pahars your moment has arrived. 

[John B]

58 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

I’m just angry, I too had bad sleep but watched my club for 60+ years was thinking of walking but this morning changed my mind.

Its my club not SR or Tonda or players that now leave.

i will be there next season why because I have to I have invested so much I can’t walk away yes I maybe a mug but we will rise again in time.

I am the same vintage first game August 1962 I am still going to support them

It is my club and yours too

We are where we are lets get on with it I am not really annoyed Football is just a cess pit

[SNSUN]

32 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

No, the football gods are cruel and won't let us have this

More likely they'll tease us for a few minutes with West Ham and Everton early goals before taking it away from us again.

Much like when we scored early against Man U on the last day of our Prem relegation season in 2005. I think we were "safe" for about 9 minutes.

[BotleySaint]

I get we're expecting lots of players to leave.

But barring any contractual problem resulting from legal situation; someone still has to buy them. And we aren't forced to just accept any offer that comes along. We should be able to get decent money. 

[benjii]

36 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Might be sensible to bring in a man-of-the-people manager, a Neil Warnock type, for a season to help our extenal perception.

Roy Hodgson please.

[Wallington Saint]

This felt worse than any relegation, but... most of the players mentioned as possibly leaving are on contracts, and will attract good money if they go, and, we still have parachute payments. My own feeling is that Tonda should not be hung out to dry. He is a young manager who has made a mistake, I'd guess he wasn't aware of the rule. The last thing we need now is a witch hunt. If we stick together, we can turn this round next season.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Wallington Saint said:

This felt worse than any relegation, but... most of the players mentioned as possibly leaving are on contracts, and will attract good money if they go, and, we still have parachute payments. My own feeling is that Tonda should not be hung out to dry. He is a young manager who has made a mistake, I'd guess he wasn't aware of the rule. The last thing we need now is a witch hunt. If we stick together, we can turn this round next season.

We can keep Tonda* or we can keep the team together.  We can't have both.

*FA bans permitting. 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Wallington Saint said:

This felt worse than any relegation, but... most of the players mentioned as possibly leaving are on contracts, and will attract good money if they go, and, we still have parachute payments. My own feeling is that Tonda should not be hung out to dry. He is a young manager who has made a mistake, I'd guess he wasn't aware of the rule. The last thing we need now is a witch hunt. If we stick together, we can turn this round next season.

Well, that is absolute bollox for a start.

[gaz]

further points deductions? especially if more clubs come forward.

[Wallington Saint]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Well, that is absolute bollox for a start.

ITK??

[Rebel]

Tonda has to go - for one thing I expect he will get a suspension from football for at least a year - along with anyone else that was directly involved in the spying/cheating or new about it.  

For another I think the relationship between the players and Tonda is probably broken beyound repair - although most of them will leave.

But more importantly I think the trust or support of the fans in Tonda has completely gone.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

20 minutes ago, Wallington Saint said:

This felt worse than any relegation, but... most of the players mentioned as possibly leaving are on contracts, and will attract good money if they go, and, we still have parachute payments. My own feeling is that Tonda should not be hung out to dry. He is a young manager who has made a mistake, I'd guess he wasn't aware of the rule. The last thing we need now is a witch hunt. If we stick together, we can turn this round next season.

Tonda had (has?) a promising career, and I agree, I suspect he was unaware of the rule and didn't necessarily see it as an issue. As we all know, it's pretty common practice particularly across Europe.

However, unfortunately for him, it was his job to make sure he knew stuff like this. A victim to some extent of his own success and being thrown in at the deep end.

[Harry_SFC]

11 minutes ago, Wallington Saint said:

ITK??

Why would you dress someone up in an Eastleigh shirt if you didn't know the rules? 

[AlexLaw76]

14 minutes ago, Wallington Saint said:

ITK??

Because he was an assistant manager for 2 seasons, in this league, after the Bielsa incident and subsequent rule changes 

[spyinthesky]

If we had lost to Boro there is a chance that the 'Spying' may have been lost in the passage of time.

Similarly if the dice rolled in our favour and we had made the second automatic spot there would have been no need to 'spy' on Boro unless Ipswich made a fuss.

All 'IFS' and 'Maybe's' though.

[Whitey Grandad]

33 minutes ago, spyinthesky said:

If we had lost to Boro there is a chance that the 'Spying' may have been lost in the passage of time.

Similarly if the dice rolled in our favour and we had made the second automatic spot there would have been no need to 'spy' on Boro unless Ipswich made a fuss.

All 'IFS' and 'Maybe's' though.

Borough wouldn't have filed a complaint.  They'd have put it away until next season. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Whitey Grandad

[bpsaint]

Someone was talking about Ben Garner on another thread and it got me thinking about Ryan Garner. Poor fucker has got his big title fight coming up at St Mary’s in a couple of weeks and was probably hoping the saints family would turn out and it’d be as much a boxing event as a promotion party . 
 

Will probably affect ticket sales and atmosphere with the level of apathy we’re all feeling.
 

 

[Ken Tone]

5 hours ago, Give it to Ron said:

I’m just angry, I too had bad sleep but watched my club for 60+ years was thinking of walking but this morning changed my mind.

Its my club not SR or Tonda or players that now leave.

i will be there next season why because I have to I have invested so much I can’t walk away yes I maybe a mug but we will rise again in time.

Feel similarly.  And with my back,  can hardly manage to walk away anyway nowadays! 😉

[die Mannyschaft]

7 hours ago, Jeremy Corbyn said:

Might be sensible to bring in a man-of-the-people manager, a Neil Warnock type, for a season to help our extenal perception.

Need a proper footballing manager, experience not spreadsheets. 

[die Mannyschaft]

2 hours ago, bpsaint said:

Someone was talking about Ben Garner on another thread and it got me thinking about Ryan Garner. Poor fucker has got his big title fight coming up at St Mary’s in a couple of weeks and was probably hoping the saints family would turn out and it’d be as much a boxing event as a promotion party . 
 

Will probably affect ticket sales and atmosphere with the level of apathy we’re all feeling.
 

 

I may move within the Northam so when the window opens be interesting to see how many free seats to choose from. Its going to be a flat atmosphere if we dont get points on the board early.

Need a chant to get at away fans as all we will get is cheat each game. Apart from fuck off Boro cant think of anything 

[bpsaint]

3 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

I may move within the Northam so when the window opens be interesting to see how many free seats to choose from. Its going to be a flat atmosphere if we dont get points on the board early.

Need a chant to get at away fans as all we will get is cheat each game. Apart from fuck off Boro cant think of anything 

I was referring to the boxing match being held at St Mary’s in a few weeks tbf but your point still stands about the atmosphere next season.

[EssEffCee]

8 hours ago, CB Fry said:

If we'd had a fan on the board none of this would have happened.

I have faith in the FAB sorting this all out.

[Toussaint]

8 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

I have faith in the FAB sorting this all out.

Desperate times.. desperate measures, its a weapon I'd hoped we wouldn't have to use. Who has the code for releasing the FAB, once entered there is no turning back? 

[Barton Saint]

We will need 88 points to go up in 2nd place (84. +4) The key games are the 18 points between the 3 relegated PL teams Burnley Irons and Wolves. We don’t need to worry about any of the other teams as we know them well enough now ( or need to spy on them)

So 88; 25 wins 13 draws and 8 losses will do it. Get another unbeaten run going early get in front and stay there. It can be done if Ipswich and Coventry managed it.

[bpsaint]

4 minutes ago, Barton Saint said:

We will need 88 points to go up in 2nd place (84. +4) The key games are the 18 points between the 3 relegated PL teams Burnley Irons and Wolves. We don’t need to worry about any of the other teams as we know them well enough now ( or need to spy on them)

So 88; 25 wins 13 draws and 8 losses will do it. Get another unbeaten run going early get in front and stay there. It can be done if Ipswich and Coventry managed it.

That certainly sounds achievable, however my concern would be that given the strength of the teams coming down we could well see a season like the last time we went up and the final table looked like this 

 

[BarberSaint]

9 hours ago, Toussaint said:

After another restless fever dream sleep, cheers SFC, I was thinking what could the fallout be from our expulsion. Personally I think the punishment excessive, (I know others think we deserve it), but nevertheless we are where we are.
 

Without trying to catastrophise too much here,  we go  for starters:

Reputational damage 

P&O Cruises / sponsorships 

The young supporters, the ones we are trying to get interested in the local side. 

Player Exodus

Saints foundation 

Season ticket sales / memberships

local business and hospitality 

Corporate packages 

Ongoing legal actions / class actions 

Good will (evaporation thereof)

 

it’s going to be a long road back! 

Terrible. What have you done?

[LiberalCommunist]

Find whistle blowers to dump other clubs in the shit. 

That is the only way out of this right now. 

Failing that, get your head down and hope it blows over.