Tonda Eckert

[pimpin4rizeal]

Great stuff by dragan and the club I’m extremely happy we have made decisions that are actually in the best interests of football results fr the club and not just doing things for how  we look to the media, outsiders or fans who want someone to blame .. excellant stuff very happy 

[disconnect]

4 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Great stuff by dragan and the club I’m extremely happy we have made decisions that are actually in the best interests of football results fr the club and not just doing things for how  we look to the media, outsiders or fans who want someone to blame .. excellant stuff very happy 

I'm glad we won't let Boro just destroy the club in response to them not being able to win a game of football.

It's all completely ridiculous fuelled by this cancel culture which seems to be the ultimate life goal of some people rather than just say being happy in yourself, or meeting up with friends, or just trying to enjoy life! The world doesn't need to exist to just punish and put people down, but I guess that's where we are as society, which is pretty sad. 

Hopefully the world can move on. Apparently there's a world cup starting soon?!

[Saint_Jonny]

Being a self interested football fan (meaning I don't care how Saints find success) I am glad Saints intend to stick with Tonda, given his record since taking the job (outside of the spying bollocks).

I do think it is VERY likely the FA will give him some sort of ban that makes his position untenable, though - which means another round of every chronically online social media cunt in the country having another reason to point and laugh at Saints given we have planted our flag in the ground and set ourselves up for another major failure.

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, disconnect said:

Hopefully the world can move on.

Middlesboro don't seem able to. They're still frothing at the mouth in anticipation of an FA sanction on Tonda.

 

Apparently there's a world cup starting soon?!

Yep. Women's T20 cricket.

 

[Saint Fan CaM]

The FA need to bring clarity and closure to this mountain out of molehill episode quickly now, if in fact that’s not already been done and hence the ability for Tonda and Dragan to make public statements. I hope that’s the case anyway.

I want to believe Dragan will ensure he keeps his word to the fans and allow Spors/Eckhert to bring in new players that will ensure we’re a top two contender.

I also want to believe the fickle natured Saints fans among us don’t start baying for Tonda’s blood the minute we lose a game. It’s going to happen - gird your loins chaps, because it’s going to be a hell of a ride again this coming season. But you know what - I reckon it’s going to be an exciting one.

[Bakovnetski]

13 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

For an unemotive man I thought Tonda did well in that video. I wanted him to stay from the start and hopefully this will have helped others get on board.

His argument is a bit nonsense though. So it is commonplace to spy on other clubs in Italy and Germany where he worked previously, but despite not knowing it was banned here, he only did it three times in inconsequential ways? Mmm yeah ok...

We probably did 'spy' (legitimately watch training sessions) on other more than 3 times, but NOT within the 72 hour period that is the rule in question. I expect that many other clubs in the Championship, League 1 and League 2 also 'spy' on others regularly. Note that there is absolutely no rule regarding watching training sessions, even within 72 hours, in the Premier League. If that is the same a in Italy and Germany (and other countries) then it is the EFL that is effectively out of step with common practice everywhere else. So maybe his is a genuine mistake. But others should have known and told him. We shall never know, shall we?

[ecuk268]

45 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

The FA need to bring clarity and closure to this mountain out of molehill episode quickly now, if in fact that’s not already been done and hence the ability for Tonda and Dragan to make public statements. I hope that’s the case anyway.

I want to believe Dragan will ensure he keeps his word to the fans and allow Spors/Eckhert to bring in new players that will ensure we’re a top two contender.

I also want to believe the fickle natured Saints fans among us don’t start baying for Tonda’s blood the minute we lose a game. It’s going to happen - gird your loins chaps, because it’s going to be a hell of a ride again this coming season. But you know what - I reckon it’s going to be an exciting one.

We'll be Millwall-on-Sea.

[gio1saints]

Just my assessment on the video:

 

That video was very revealing if you are a little proficient in “reading between the lines” and deciphering his tiny often unspoken physical cues ie from a body language pov. I have learned a lot about Tonda from it.
 

Do watch it again closely observing his (many) facial gestures, consider the interesting timing of his language and his specific use of certain words in certain ways. Hear who he thanks - hear who he does not mention at all. See when he chooses to blink or not - and what is being said or happening when he goes full stare mode. Watch his breathing - and its intervals. Especially the bit when he talks about his own devastation and we see a mini well-up- fake or real? His facial colouration changes subtly at certain times of most embarrassment/shame - but not in all cases. 

Consider also the post production video - which appears at odds to Tonda’s own professed desire to appear “without pretification “ and there’s certainly a bunch of interesting and at times contradictory stuff on display that shouted at me. 
 

Im not going to divulge all here as will get murdered but i will say - IMO all is not what it might seem in certain regards - what Tonda believes and what he has said on the video are not necessarily 100% the same thing. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

5 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Just my assessment on the video:

 

That video was very revealing if you are a little proficient in “reading between the lines” and deciphering his tiny often unspoken physical cues ie from a body language pov. I have learned a lot about Tonda from it.
 

Do watch it again closely observing his (many) facial gestures, consider the interesting timing of his language and his specific use of certain words in certain ways. Hear who he thanks - hear who he does not mention at all. See when he chooses to blink or not - and what is being said or happening when he goes full stare mode. Watch his breathing - and its intervals. Especially the bit when he talks about his own devastation and we see a mini well-up- fake or real? His facial colouration changes subtly at certain times of most embarrassment/shame - but not in all cases. 

Consider also the post production video - which appears at odds to Tonda’s own professed desire to appear “without pretification “ and there’s certainly a bunch of interesting and at times contradictory stuff on display that shouted at me. 
 

Im not going to divulge all here as will get murdered but i will say - IMO all is not what it might seem in certain regards - what Tonda believes and what he has said on the video are not necessarily 100% the same thing. 

Do you work for the MI6?

[Wade Garrett]

Happy the club have decided the way forward and we move on.  Don't care what anyone else thinks about it.

But, I just can't believe that Tonda didn't know he was breaking the rules.

[beatlesaint]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

Happy the club have decided the way forward and we move on.  Don't care what anyone else thinks about it.

But, I just can't believe that Tonda didn't know he was breaking the rules.

If it was breaking the rules at ANY time I would agree totally BUT just maybe the rule he didnt know about was this 72 hour thing? Who knows ?

 

[egg]

13 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Just my assessment on the video:

 

That video was very revealing if you are a little proficient in “reading between the lines” and deciphering his tiny often unspoken physical cues ie from a body language pov. I have learned a lot about Tonda from it.
 

Do watch it again closely observing his (many) facial gestures, consider the interesting timing of his language and his specific use of certain words in certain ways. Hear who he thanks - hear who he does not mention at all. See when he chooses to blink or not - and what is being said or happening when he goes full stare mode. Watch his breathing - and its intervals. Especially the bit when he talks about his own devastation and we see a mini well-up- fake or real? His facial colouration changes subtly at certain times of most embarrassment/shame - but not in all cases. 

Consider also the post production video - which appears at odds to Tonda’s own professed desire to appear “without pretification “ and there’s certainly a bunch of interesting and at times contradictory stuff on display that shouted at me. 
 

Im not going to divulge all here as will get murdered but i will say - IMO all is not what it might seem in certain regards - what Tonda believes and what he has said on the video are not necessarily 100% the same thing. 

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

He was looking straight ahead throughout.

People look up and to the right when lying. I saw none of that. 

He looked down and partially closed his eyes on occasions. That's an emotional response - a sign of discomfort, regret, sadness,etc. The sort of things he should be feeling at the moment. 

I saw a bloke who was upset and honest. My only negative observation is that he gave a clear account about footage from an earlier game, said why Boro was being observed but wasn't clear about the details beyond that. I also suspect a bit more thought went into what he said than he suggested,but his comment that he was speaking from the heart I believe. 

If you read him differently, please spell out what you're seeing. 

 

[BallBoy]

15 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Just my assessment on the video:

 

That video was very revealing if you are a little proficient in “reading between the lines” and deciphering his tiny often unspoken physical cues ie from a body language pov. I have learned a lot about Tonda from it.
 

Do watch it again closely observing his (many) facial gestures, consider the interesting timing of his language and his specific use of certain words in certain ways. Hear who he thanks - hear who he does not mention at all. See when he chooses to blink or not - and what is being said or happening when he goes full stare mode. Watch his breathing - and its intervals. Especially the bit when he talks about his own devastation and we see a mini well-up- fake or real? His facial colouration changes subtly at certain times of most embarrassment/shame - but not in all cases. 

Consider also the post production video - which appears at odds to Tonda’s own professed desire to appear “without pretification “ and there’s certainly a bunch of interesting and at times contradictory stuff on display that shouted at me. 
 

Im not going to divulge all here as will get murdered but i will say - IMO all is not what it might seem in certain regards - what Tonda believes and what he has said on the video are not necessarily 100% the same thing. 

I have interviewed people all my life but never understood this stuff about body language or seeing it in their eyes. I just don't get it. Detecting lies is about listening and identifying contradictions.

This seemed like a more full account than we have heard before but it will never be complete or cover every point of view. 

I just want to move on now. We will need a huge slice of luck to repeat last seasons fairy tale up to the semi finals. There were some magic moments.

Need to move forward now.

 

[LegalEagle]

25 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Just my assessment on the video:

 

That video was very revealing if you are a little proficient in “reading between the lines” and deciphering his tiny often unspoken physical cues ie from a body language pov. I have learned a lot about Tonda from it.
 

Do watch it again closely observing his (many) facial gestures, consider the interesting timing of his language and his specific use of certain words in certain ways. Hear who he thanks - hear who he does not mention at all. See when he chooses to blink or not - and what is being said or happening when he goes full stare mode. Watch his breathing - and its intervals. Especially the bit when he talks about his own devastation and we see a mini well-up- fake or real? His facial colouration changes subtly at certain times of most embarrassment/shame - but not in all cases. 

Consider also the post production video - which appears at odds to Tonda’s own professed desire to appear “without pretification “ and there’s certainly a bunch of interesting and at times contradictory stuff on display that shouted at me. 
 

Im not going to divulge all here as will get murdered but i will say - IMO all is not what it might seem in certain regards - what Tonda believes and what he has said on the video are not necessarily 100% the same thing. 

I’ve read some garbage on here over the years but this is right up there. Are you Mystic Smeg?

[Convict Colony]

27 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Just my assessment on the video:

 

That video was very revealing if you are a little proficient in “reading between the lines” and deciphering his tiny often unspoken physical cues ie from a body language pov. I have learned a lot about Tonda from it.
 

Do watch it again closely observing his (many) facial gestures, consider the interesting timing of his language and his specific use of certain words in certain ways. Hear who he thanks - hear who he does not mention at all. See when he chooses to blink or not - and what is being said or happening when he goes full stare mode. Watch his breathing - and its intervals. Especially the bit when he talks about his own devastation and we see a mini well-up- fake or real? His facial colouration changes subtly at certain times of most embarrassment/shame - but not in all cases. 

Consider also the post production video - which appears at odds to Tonda’s own professed desire to appear “without pretification “ and there’s certainly a bunch of interesting and at times contradictory stuff on display that shouted at me. 
 

Im not going to divulge all here as will get murdered but i will say - IMO all is not what it might seem in certain regards - what Tonda believes and what he has said on the video are not necessarily 100% the same thing. 

[egg]

8 minutes ago, BallBoy said:

I have interviewed people all my life but never understood this stuff about body language or seeing it in their eyes. I just don't get it. Detecting lies is about listening and identifying contradictions.

This seemed like a more full account than we have heard before but it will never be complete or cover every point of view. 

I just want to move on now. We will need a huge slice of luck to repeat last seasons fairy tale up to the semi finals. There were some magic moments.

Need to move forward now.

 

Eye positioning is a very real thing, but, I'm with you in that we need to draw a line and move on. 

My only concern re Tonda is that he's not wounded by this, and that the players back him 100%. If he's not the same, or they ain't behind him, this won't work. 

[hippo]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

Eye positioning is a very real thing, but, I'm with you in that we need to draw a line and move on. 

My only concern re Tonda is that he's not wounded by this, and that the players back him 100%. If he's not the same, or they ain't behind him, this won't work. 

My hope regarding Tonda not being totally wounded by it is the fact he would want to stay on. I think he could easily get a job on the continent away from the scrutiny, but I would imagine him being the sort of bloke to want to rectify it here. 

[egg]

Just now, hippo said:

My hope regarding Tonda not being totally wounded by it is the fact he would want to stay on. I think he could easily get a job on the continent away from the scrutiny, but I would imagine him being the sort of bloke to want to rectify it here. 

That's my thoughts. I think he'll want to make it right and with the players behind him, he's got a chance. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

You’d hope somebody at the club has sounded out The FA or we’ve received water tight legal advice that he’s not receiving a ban. Otherwise we’re going to look right cocks if a month down the line he’s banned for 6 months. 

[Nordic Saint]

1 hour ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Do you work for the MI6?

It's more likely he was the Me in The Spy Who Shagged Me

Edited 19 minutes ago by Nordic Saint

[iansums]

1 hour ago, egg said:

 

If you read him differently, please spell out what you're seeing. 

 

Please don't

Edited 6 minutes ago by iansums

[egg]

1 minute ago, iansums said:

Please don't

Fair! 

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

If it was breaking the rules at ANY time I would agree totally BUT just maybe the rule he didnt know about was this 72 hour thing? Who knows ?

 

Why dress the analyst up in Eastleigh gear?