The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Oh, and you did perhaps forget Ward-Prowse, and possibly Targett. I'd have JWP on the bench instead of McQueen. Ah, that's ok then, we're not as weak as I'd thought. I'd have Ward-Prowse either on the bench or instead of Ramirez with Tadic on the other wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Lovren is a quality defender, but I also disagree with this opinion about his leadership skills. Lovren is unarguably a superb footballer and a beast of a defender, he is however, IMO, still lacking in the leadership area. From watching the two main CBs play together I got the distinct impression Fonte was the lead, and I felt we lacked composure without him. Dare I say it, Jos and Maya actually worked more effectively together than either paired with Lovren! Last season at least, Lovren needed a steady CB partner in order to play at his best and when he didn't get that (without Fonte) we lacked a solid shape at the back. It's sweet that you defend Fonte with such overt passion, but he's no leader just as you are no judge of defenders. http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/168047-carra-lovren-is-a-leader http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/497821/Dejan-Lovren-proves-real-Reds-leader-as-Liverpool-rout-Dortmund-at-Anfield http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/08/06/hes-a-leader-brendan-rodgers-talks-about-new-liverpool-signing/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2714635/Dejan-Lovren-natural-leader-one-day-replace-Steven-Gerrard-Liverpool-captain-according-Jamie-Carragher.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Mark Clattenburg's been appointed the referee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Why is Isgrove so much more of a gamble than playing Ramirez there? Isgrove has played there for every pre-season game pretty much. I'm not a big fan of his, but Koemanseems keen and he does offer a bit of pace that the rest of our line-up currently struggle with. Because he hasn't looked very comfortable on the left, to me. I think he'd be ok on the right but it was futile expecting him to get an early ball in from the left wing when every time he attacked the line then had to cut back onto his right foot. Ramirez is at least experienced and used to the pace of the game. He's by no means proven but at least he'd know what to expect, he's reasonably effective defensively, has the experience to play the right pass early if he was in that situation and you'd have the confidence he'd stick to the tactical plan. Anyway, as I've forgotten Ward-Prowse I'd expect him to get in ahead of Ramirez (we'd have to shift Davis and Tadic around a bit). We're going to need as much defensive nous as possible anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 No they didn't! LIVERPOOL's Sturridge and Sterling did. They are very different things. As we're not playing England, I really don't care about the differentiation you're making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Mark Clattenburg's been appointed the referee Top trolling by the Premier League if that is the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Ramirez is........reasonably effective defensively, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Mark Clattenburg's been appointed the referee Will he go up to Isgrove and say "You've changed, Adam"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 We are going to get stuffed 4-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 If there isn't a clattenburg was right chant I will be proper devo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Mark Clattenburg's been appointed the referee The chants are going to be quality! "The referee's perceptive, the referee's perceptive" will make a nice change from "is a ******" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Mark Clattenburg's been appointed the referee That is just brilliant! Well done the Premier League! You just know there will be a Sloop John B "Clatternburg was right" chant now, predictable but amusing nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 How can anyone say we're close to replacing the team we had last year? (I've seen some say it). To even be considering having someone like Isgrove anywhere near the squad that travels to Liverpool says a lot. Puncheon is much better and we let him go because we apparently didn't need him last year. We'll get smashed up there on Sunday but as long as we give Rickie a very good reception and Lovren dogs abuse then I'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Big vik to snap Lovern in half will satisfy me much more than the result, hopefully Lallana gets enough stick as I'm sure he will be in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Koeman said Dortmund didn't make it very difficult for Liverpool and that he intends to do that. And Forster will come straight in as the No.1 goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Koeman said Dortmund didn't make it very difficult for Liverpool and that he intends to do that. And Forster will come straight in as the No.1 goalkeeper. Also said something about 1 or 2 more signings - hope that it was in a figurative sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 See my N0.10 post.Mark listened to my request. We will beat Liverhampton on Sunday now.Thank you Mark. PS.If Gerrard tries it on this time give him a straight Red! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 I'm dreading the ballet in our penalty area. Hopefully Forster is practising saving penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamberwellSaint Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Redder Freak already reported the most important thing here: Koeman- "Dortmund were poor, they didn't make it very hard for Liverpool, we will do". It's going to be games like this that we're grateful our manager was one of the best defenders of the modern era. Prediction: 1-1, Sturridge first half, Pelle second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Really only want to win this and Spurs away however unlikely, the rest is just gravy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Lots of the Dutch Journalists mentioned that one of Koeman's key strengths is setting up the team for games against the top teams. Will be interesting to see if he tries anything to particularly stop Liverpool playing their usual style or just focuses on what we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Can't remember a game I've wanted us to win more for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Redder Freak already reported the most important thing here: Koeman- "Dortmund were poor, they didn't make it very hard for Liverpool, we will do". It's going to be games like this that we're grateful our manager was one of the best defenders of the modern era. Prediction: 1-1, Sturridge first half, Pelle second. Great quote! Is there a link to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 I would set up like this to begin with: ---------------FF------------------- Clyne--Fonte--Yoshida/new--Bertrand --------------Wanyama------------- ---------Cork-----------Davis--------- ---------------Tadic----------------- ---------------Ramirez--------------- --------------------Pelle------------- Central mid is our strongest area so let's play a diamond and pack it. I know we won't get behind Liverpool like that unless Clyne gets forward but I think it would give us more stability than the 4-3-3 and should help cut off the supply to Liverpool's front three. I also have more faith in Gaston working a goal from nothing than in Isgrove/Mayuka doing anything effective. If we can frustrate them for a bit and have them pushing forward we can swap Gaston or Tadic for a packer player and look to spring counters. Davis and Cork to run their arses off knowing we have Taider and JWP on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 It's sweet that you defend Fonte with such overt passion, but he's no leader just as you are no judge of defenders. http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/168047-carra-lovren-is-a-leader http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/497821/Dejan-Lovren-proves-real-Reds-leader-as-Liverpool-rout-Dortmund-at-Anfield http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/08/06/hes-a-leader-brendan-rodgers-talks-about-new-liverpool-signing/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2714635/Dejan-Lovren-natural-leader-one-day-replace-Steven-Gerrard-Liverpool-captain-according-Jamie-Carragher.html Didn't think I was defending Fonte overtly; merely disagreeing that Saints will miss 'Lovern's leadership skills' this season. We WILL miss his natural ability as a footballer and cracking skills as a centreback, but I stand by my opinion that Lovern was NOT the key 'lead' centre back in Saints team last season. And for now, perhaps unwisely, I am going to trust my own judgement over the PR puffery and media nosebagging you have kindly linked to, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Really only want to win this and Spurs away however unlikely, the rest is just gravy Sadly, I don't think either of these things are that likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 August, 2014 Share Posted 11 August, 2014 Redder Freak already reported the most important thing here: Koeman- "Dortmund were poor, they didn't make it very hard for Liverpool, we will do". It's going to be games like this that we're grateful our manager was one of the best defenders of the modern era. Prediction: 1-1, Sturridge first half, Pelle second. I hope you are right, but from what I have seen so far I am not totally convinced that Pelle is the answer. I just can't see him scoring at Liverpool. Desperately hope I am proved wrong - will be following with interest from the middle of nowhere in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Johnson Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 ---------------FF------------------- Clyne--Fonte--Yoshida--Bertrand --------------Wanyama------------- ---------Tadir-----------Davis--------- ---------------Tadic----------------- ---------------Ramirez--------------- --------------------Pelle------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Redder Freak already reported the most important thing here: Koeman- "Dortmund were poor, they didn't make it very hard for Liverpool, we will do". It's going to be games like this that we're grateful our manager was one of the best defenders of the modern era. Prediction: 1-1, Sturridge first half, Pelle second. Dortmund would be without their world cup winners though wouldn't they, if they even have any, suppose they do. That's why it's a bit difficult to judge top German sides just now, all without key players, Bender was missing for Bayer wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Has anyone's tickets arrived yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Has anyone's tickets arrived yet? No - They normally come either the next day after ordering or the one after that - Ordered mine day they came out, so starting to feel a little uneasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 How many would risk starting Morgan assuming he would agree to it which looks unlikely? I don't think he should be anywhere near the team till he's proved his "head is in the right place" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Tickets arrived today. Can't wait for more encounters with their pathetic stewards. Worst in the PL by some distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilsmer Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 I just got sent this from a friend. I don't know if it has been posted anywhere but I thought it was pretty funny. AAA GAA DO DO DO, shove your Lovren up your arse, AA GA DO DO DO, Rickie Lambert you were class, Clattenburg, you were right that Lallana is a ****e, WE ARE RED, WE ARE WHITE, WE ARE F***ING DYNAMITE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 I just got sent this from a friend. I don't know if it has been posted anywhere but I thought it was pretty funny. AAA GAA DO DO DO, shove your Lovren up your arse, AA GA DO DO DO, Rickie Lambert you were class, Clattenburg, you were right that Lallana is a ****e, WE ARE RED, WE ARE WHITE, WE ARE F***ING DYNAMITE! That's brilliant, apart from the very last bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 either way, we the fans will look small time hey ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 Unfortunately I think Gallagher and Pellè will be as much use as a chocolate teapot, just hope we can scrap a 0-0 and get a decent striker in before west brom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 I just got sent this from a friend. I don't know if it has been posted anywhere but I thought it was pretty funny. AAA GAA DO DO DO, shove your Lovren up your arse, AA GA DO DO DO, Rickie Lambert you were class, Clattenburg, you were right that Lallana is a ****e, WE ARE RED, WE ARE WHITE, WE ARE F***ING DYNAMITE! Tune! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 I'm largely dreading Sunday. Don't hold out much hope given the holes that have been wrought in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 If we start with the same team as we did against Bayer Leverkusen - and play the same way - we are going to get torn apart by Liverpool on Sunday. Mayuka, Isgrove and Yoshida looked out of their depth - and Pelle was just very disappointing. He didn't seem to have any pace or movement. Davis and Ward-Prowse just looked very flat. We played a very one dimensional 4-3-3 - get the ball wide and cross it to Pelle or long ball it from the back to Pelle. We looked very static - Pelle hardly moved. There was no fluidity, no interchanging of positions. We didn't press the ball and we didn't build from the back. We seemed to have lost the two things that defined the way we played last season - the pressing of the ball and the passing it out from the back without adding anything we were missing - pace or a goal scorer. Tadic showed flashes of potential. And things improved when Taider, Ramirez and Cork came on. But Lovren, Lallana, Lambert, Shaw, Rodriguez and Schneiderlin were key to the way we played and at the moment we are missing all 6 of them. At the moment we don't have the players to play a 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. Our best hope is 4-2-3-1 with Cork and Wanyama sitting in front of the back 4, Tadic in the hole with Taider and Ramirez either side of him and Pelle up front. I think I might have to watch the game from behind the sofa on Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 August, 2014 Share Posted 12 August, 2014 We have to hope a Suarezless Liverpool don't yet know what their best side is and are just as disjointed as us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyFC Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 I reckon 2-2 draw. Saints will pumped to make themselves look like they aren't completely ****ed, Liverpool always have a bad starting match of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Still not received my tickets. Ordered last Thursday. Anyone else not received theirs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-B Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 We have to hope a Suarezless Liverpool don't yet know what their best side is and are just as disjointed as us. Think that would have been more of an issue if Lallana and Markovic were fit Likely to be: Mignolet Manquillo Skrtel Lovren Johnson Gerrard Can Henderson Sterling Coutinho Sturridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Still not received my tickets. Ordered last Thursday. Anyone else not received theirs? Not yet here either, won't panic till tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc oli Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Bugger. Sold out- does anyone have a spare ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 If we don't lose I think we'll be thanking Forster and Big Vic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Think that would have been more of an issue if Lallana and Markovic were fit Likely to be: Mignolet Manquillo Skrtel Lovren Johnson Gerrard Can Henderson Sterling Coutinho Sturridge We'll lose through us being poor rather than them being anything special. That's not the most intimidating line up in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 We'll lose through us being poor rather than them being anything special. That's not the most intimidating line up in the world. Waaay better defence but weaker upfront, so they've sorted out their main issue from last season but lost their main strength. They'll be a force but they won't finish top 4 I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 August, 2014 Share Posted 13 August, 2014 Luke Shaw out for a month not a good start for him and lallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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