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Anyone who follows European football would know .... Everton were button charged and had tear gas fired at them in Lille.

 

I think a few of the naive saints fans on here will have quite a shock if they travel on our Europa tour.

 

 

 

I'm surprised this didn't feature in another thread earlier in the week

 

and of course, Everton were the first English club to be button charged [sic] and had tear gas fired at them in Lille.

 

- courtesy of some retired scouse c^nt who worked for the same employer for 31 years.

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Badger

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Am I alone in watching the national side and not being excited in any way? In fact I am left cold and would rather watch the other countries from the British Isles whose egos, in general, aren't of the same calibre.

 

No far from it. When England get to a tournament it becomes a yawnfest as they routinely underperform after all the pre-match strutting and preening.

 

IF they advance out of the group stage it can get interesting, although we inevitably live in fear of it going to penalties.

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Mr Biscuits

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UEFA should just expel Russia from the tournament. Then we'd have 3 points on the board :-)

 

The whole situation is laughable. But Uefa won't do a damn thing because international politics will get involved and no one wants to **** Putin off.

It's also an absolute joke that Blatter openly admitted the 2018 and 2022 World Cup selections were bent and nobody has done anything to resolve it.

 

 

As for the French police, they very clearly don't have a clue how to handle this. Consider how the British Police train for and handle rioters (which essentially exactly the same as football hooligans) and you can see a massive world of difference. The British don't just stand and watching, getting involved when they have to. They are in there identifying ringleaders and taking them out, they have officers with intelligence material sitting in camera vans feeding ground commanders information constantly. Before and after the match, groups of fans are identified and escorted giving them no chance to get involved in violence.

All very pro-active. A world away from what I saw in the periscope video Stan Collymore posted last night.

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I do wonder about the politics. The 2018WC was contested by Eng, Belg/Ned, Por/Spa and Russia. Now I would hate to say that there was anything dodgy in the decision to give it to Russia, but I am sure that there are many involved with UEFA who might not have thought Russia was first choice and that another European bid was better.

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Mr Biscuits

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I do wonder about the politics. The 2018WC was contested by Eng, Belg/Ned, Por/Spa and Russia. Now I would hate to say that there was anything dodgy in the decision to give it to Russia, but I am sure that there are many involved with UEFA who might not have thought Russia was first choice and that another European bid was better.

 

I don't hate to say it at all. Sepp Blatter clearly admitted that the two bidding processes were corrupt.

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I do wonder about the politics. The 2018WC was contested by Eng, Belg/Ned, Por/Spa and Russia. Now I would hate to say that there was anything dodgy in the decision to give it to Russia, but I am sure that there are many involved with UEFA who might not have thought Russia was first choice and that another European bid was better.

 

It was as bent as bent could be. Fifa, Blatter and co are all being investigated for corruption on an industrial scale.

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mrfahaji

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Surprised to read so many negative (not just disappointed or frustrated) comments about the performance. For once I actually thought we played well! Russia rarely threatened, but they got everything right in that last minute. It was frustrating that we couldn't convert more chances, which is probably something we need to look at, but even the inevitable equaliser didn't even seem inevitable in this game as we continued to thwart Russia's attacks.

 

Even though Alli didn't have his best game, thank god Hodgson played Rooney deeper and he played well. Him, Walker and Dier were all excellent, and Lallana was first half (AL fading in the second half, who'd have thought?!) Agree that Sterling was poor but at the same time, who else can play there to maintain the balance?

 

My main concern is that, just as with Italy in 2014, "if we keep playing like that, we'll do well", but then we don't play like that again, and it will turn out to be costly.

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LGTL

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Marseille has been a disgusting place over the last 3 days, I won't be travelling back here in a hurry. Yes, we have a small minority of idiot supporters but about 300 tooled up Russians were not picking any of their victims particularly carefully. If anything, the French police were encouraging it by thinking it was a good idea to constantly tear gas normal fans stood in the sun pleasantly having a drink. The papers will focus on the 'core' images but the reality was much much worse as a lot of innocents got caught up in it.

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Saint Charlie

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Marseille has been a disgusting place over the last 3 days, I won't be travelling back here in a hurry. Yes, we have a small minority of idiot supporters but about 300 tooled up Russians were not picking any of their victims particularly carefully. If anything, the French police were encouraging it by thinking it was a good idea to constantly tear gas normal fans stood in the sun pleasantly having a drink. The papers will focus on the 'core' images but the reality was much much worse as a lot of innocents got caught up in it.

Feel for anyone caught up who didn't want to be. Hopefully the Russians get dealt with somehow but hard to see it really.

 

Hopefully the rest of the tournament will be relatively peaceful and the football can be the focus.

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Marseille has been a disgusting place over the last 3 days, I won't be travelling back here in a hurry. Yes, we have a small minority of idiot supporters but about 300 tooled up Russians were not picking any of their victims particularly carefully. If anything, the French police were encouraging it by thinking it was a good idea to constantly tear gas normal fans stood in the sun pleasantly having a drink. The papers will focus on the 'core' images but the reality was much much worse as a lot of innocents got caught up in it.

 

What was the OB's reaction like? It appears it was over-the-top but was it even-handed? Were they also clamping down on the Russians - not like they were inconspicuous in those weird, c**tish black tshirts.

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LGTL

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French police stood and watched the Russians. They did absolutely nothing. All they were interested in was tear gassing and batton charging the English, 99% of which weren't really interested.

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Feel for anyone caught up who didn't want to be. Hopefully the Russians get dealt with somehow but hard to see it really.

 

Hopefully the rest of the tournament will be relatively peaceful and the football can be the focus.

 

I thought you said it was easy to walk away and not be involved?

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Professor

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Turning on to the Turkey v Croatia match, heard one of the commentators remark that Dejan Lovren isn't playing for Croatia because of a falling out with the coaching staff. Can't help thinking that the greatest service he did for Southampton was to leave.

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Turning on to the Turkey v Croatia match, heard one of the commentators remark that Dejan Lovren isn't playing for Croatia because of a falling out with the coaching staff. Can't help thinking that the greatest service he did for Southampton was to leave.

 

Yep. He said he'd only go to the Euros to start the games. So the manager dropped him and told him to come back when he'd learned some respect for his teammates and the fact it's not all about him. :lol:

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Saint Charlie

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I thought you said it was easy to walk away and not be involved?

In some cases it is but obviously not all the time, clearly. The violence eacalated from when the first reports came out, especially when more Russian fans turned up.

 

Its the genuine fans (including children) who aren't throwing chairs around and being dickheads, who deserve better protection especially inside the stadia.

 

There is definitely a section of England fans looking for trouble, I'm not overly bothered if those morons get hurt by people who give it to them.

 

For example after the game a group of about 200 England fans went looking for a bar in the same area as the violent incidents happened earlier in the day - surely that is just asking for trouble?

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the saint in winchester

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UEFA should just expel Russia from the tournament. Then we'd have 3 points on the board :-)

 

Maybe, but the team did nothing wrong. The fans are still there and it';s the fans creating the issue. Round them up and ship them out by first submarine to Vladivostock. No way can Russia host a global sporting event. But would they create like this back at home?

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In some cases it is but obviously not all the time, clearly. The violence eacalated from when the first reports came out, especially when more Russian fans turned up.

 

Its the genuine fans (including children) who aren't throwing chairs around and being dickheads, who deserve better protection especially inside the stadia.

 

There is definitely a section of England fans looking for trouble, I'm not overly bothered if those morons get hurt by people who give it to them.

 

For example after the game a group of about 200 England fans went looking for a bar in the same area as the violent incidents happened earlier in the day - surely that is just asking for trouble?

 

These articles are more on the money than Paul Hayward's piece I think.

http://www.espnfc.com/european-championship/74/blog/post/2891011/euro-2016-fan-clashes-at-england-vs-russia-match-troubling-sign

 

And also this highlight how unprovoked it was

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/12/russian-hooligans-savage-organised-england-fans-marseille-euro-2016?CMP=share_btn_tw

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L_O_Z

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BREAKING: French government bans alcohol near Euro 2016 venues after violence

 

Why? Is that really the problem? Wouldn't it be better to ban the Russian ultras who are organising specific attacks on other nations fans?

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Maybe, but the team did nothing wrong. The fans are still there and it';s the fans creating the issue. Round them up and ship them out by first submarine to Vladivostock. No way can Russia host a global sporting event. But would they create like this back at home?

 

We stopped in St Petersburg for a couple of days whilst doing a Baltic cruise and seeing the Russian police that were on the streets I would not like to cross them, mind you mad Vladivostock was in town.

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Plastic

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We got a European ban for a number of years so should these counts.

 

They're not even in ****ing Europe, the Russian political class spend most of their time looking to pick fights with European countries, so not sure why they are so keen to be in a European competition (or why they were ever invited to be).

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Putin, doping athletes, invading Ukraine, bombing whoever Assad wants. And now these football cnts. What a delightful nation to award a tournament

Spot on mate, but look at who awarded the tournament...Blatter

. Him + Putin= 2 sides same coin.

Russia should be f*cked out after the carry-on of their thug support. C*****s.

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Batman

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UEFA need to be even handed here. Hopefully they will issue a warning to the Ukrainian and German FA's over their fans' behaviour in Lille.

 

Just heard on the radio that for the final group game, we play ours 25 miles from Lille, where Russia will play Wales.

UEFA travel advice for England fans going to the final game is to stay where do you think? Yep, Lille.

 

It appears to be a badge of honour for other nations, to have a pop at England fans given our history in being nawty

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Sour Mash

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In some cases it is but obviously not all the time, clearly. The violence eacalated from when the first reports came out, especially when more Russian fans turned up.

 

Its the genuine fans (including children) who aren't throwing chairs around and being dickheads, who deserve better protection especially inside the stadia.

 

There is definitely a section of England fans looking for trouble, I'm not overly bothered if those morons get hurt by people who give it to them.

 

For example after the game a group of about 200 England fans went looking for a bar in the same area as the violent incidents happened earlier in the day - surely that is just asking for trouble?

 

You really are a clueless c**t.

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I'm not a member of the Adrian Durham fan club, but this piece seems pretty bang on to me...

 

https://m.soundcloud.com/talksport/listen-adrian-durham-onn-fan-violence-and-slams-uefa

 

Agree with him stating whether the French will be warned. It seems that OM, PSG, Nice and Toulouse ultras were wading in. But I think that the real ding dong will be 21st June again in Marseille - Poland vs Ukraine. The Russians said that they would help their "brother" Ukrainians, and no doubt the French will join is as well.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/312956-football-brawl-ukraine-poland-europa/

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I read in the Paper this morning that Russia has a suspended 6 point deduction for crowd disturbance during the qualifying rounds. I read later that this was reduced on appeal. Anyone know what the suspended sentence is? If their fans have transgressed in the qualifying rounds I trust they won't get away with a poxy fine.

 

Secondly if Uefa's jurisdiction is restricted to the ground only, and England appeared to be blameless in what occurred in the ground, how can Uefa (threaten to) throw England out?

 

Thirdly, the French government have called for both couturier to be thrown out. Are they blind to the role of their own thugs in the disturbances.

 

Finally, who is responsible for crowd control and security?

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