European League

[Disco Stu]

Regardless if the super league is cancelled, measures now need to be implemented to ensure this can NEVER happen again.

[AlexLaw76]

Got to laugh at the clubs hanging on.  Arsenal, Spurs for example. They have absolutely no place in a european super league anyway!

[bangkoksaint]

Fans won’t be back properly in stadia for probably at least a year. There’s clubs are massively in debt as they’ve over extended themselves.............just a case of which one goes pop first.

[badgerx16]

Just now, Disco Stu said:

Regardless if the super league is cancelled, measures now need to be implemented to ensure this can NEVER happen again.

Joining a non UEFA sponsored competition results in immediate suspension from all current UEFA supported leagues and cups..

[badgerx16]

Just now, bangkoksaint said:

Fans won’t be back properly in stadia for probably at least a year. There’s clubs are massively in debt as they’ve over extended themselves.............just a case of which one goes pop first.

Not just the fans - no commercial income from concerts, exhibitions, or conferences.

[igsey]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Not just the fans - no commercial income from concerts, exhibitions, or conferences.

Or NFL games...

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, igsey said:

Or NFL games...

You really have to sympathise with Spurs.................................NOT !!!

[JRM]

9 minutes ago, JustinSFC said:

Fair play.

Didn't think Maguire had it in him tbh

Maguire was on the terraces supporting Sheffield United away at Burton when they were in league one with his childhood pals, he probably gets the fans as he was one. 

[Baird of the land]

21 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Ed Woodward resigned.

And now Juventus have offered up their own sacrificial goat.

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

Fans won’t be back properly in stadia for probably at least a year. There’s clubs are massively in debt as they’ve over extended themselves.............just a case of which one goes pop first.

That is their fault (like it is ours for buying crap and loaning them out/letting them go for free).

Spurs didn't have to sign Bale and pay him £300k a week to sit on the bench.  United do not have to keep Pogba (on his probable ridiculous salary), who has been largely awful and Chelsea/City don't have to buy everyone.

[revolution saint]

I would piss myself laughing if UEFA ban them all from European football next season 🤣🤣🤣

[whelk]

From Luke Shaw

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Got to laugh at the clubs hanging on.  Arsenal, Spurs for example. They have absolutely no place in a european super league anyway!

Comment on the BBC saying it's a shame that journalists won't get to ask Arteta why he thinks Arsenal qualify as one of the 'Super' clubs.

[Disco Stu]

12 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Joining a non UEFA sponsored competition results in immediate suspension from all current UEFA supported leagues and cups..

I support the 50+1 rule. This decision making behind the fans backs must stop.

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I support the 50+1 rule. This decision making behind the fans backs must stop.

But how do you get from, for instance, Gao holding 80% to he and Kat between them only holding 49% ?

Edited 20 April, 2021 by badgerx16

[Disco Stu]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

But how do you get from, for instance, from Gao holding 80% to he and Kat between them only holding 49% ?

How did the Germans do it?

[Baird of the land]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

But how do you get from, for instance, from Gao holding 80% to he and Kat between them only holding 49% ?

Curious has Germany had the rule from day zero? Or was it implemented at some point to the cost of the existing owners?

[Crab Lungs]

18 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Regardless if the super league is cancelled, measures now need to be implemented to ensure this can NEVER happen again.

I literally just said he same thing to my mate. Now is the time to start changing the rules on ownership, fit and proper etc and avoid cartel ownership from here on

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Disco Stu said:

How did the Germans do it?

"Historically, German teams were not-for-profit organisations run by members’ associations, and until 1998 private ownership of any kind was prohibited. The 50+1 rule, which was introduced that year, helps explain why debts and wages are under control and why ticket prices remain so low compared to other major leagues in Europe."

 

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/german-soccer-rules-50-1-fifty-plus-one-explained-466583.jsp

[Disco Stu]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

"Historically, German teams were not-for-profit organisations run by members’ associations, and until 1998 private ownership of any kind was prohibited. The 50+1 rule, which was introduced that year, helps explain why debts and wages are under control and why ticket prices remain so low compared to other major leagues in Europe."

 

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/german-soccer-rules-50-1-fifty-plus-one-explained-466583.jsp

I guess it would be impossible for the premier league to enforce it but I imagine given the government were threatening it, it's doable but perhaps only through legislation.

[badgerx16]

It might be interesting to see how the next round of Presidential elections go on at the Spanish clubs.

[woodsaint1]

17 minutes ago, whelk said:

From Luke Shaw

Somebody must have wrote that for him

[stknowle]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Oh yeah for sure, non-entity faces running these clubs. All this has shown up is their total lack of understanding of 'football - not soccer. This is a fan sport and they thought it was a media show pony. Wrong.

There'll be back with a less offensive version soon. Something along the lines of 2 European groups of 8 teams playing each other twice a year with one up and one down from the league above/below, with the initial starting positions being decided by wealth, number of trophies won historically and/or general historical prowess will probably do it (whichever fits best to engineer it to their satisfaction). All the big teams get to play each other twice a season regularly and hoard all the cash with just that little bit of jeopardy thrown in. I guess Arsenal and Tottenham will have to start in div 2 though!

Edited 20 April, 2021 by stknowle

[whelk]

1 minute ago, woodsaint1 said:

Somebody must have wrote that for him

If he had written stadia not stadiums maybe

[Pedantic Pete]

21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But how do you get from, for instance, Gao holding 80% to he and Kat between them only holding 49% ?

They just sell shares of 51% of the club.

 

actually I bet Gao wished he thought of that before to get some of his money back!

Edited 20 April, 2021 by Pedantic Pete

[S-Clarke]

Reckon this is a possibility. All these big power owners pulling away their purse strings and stopping any of these clubs buying players. Could go that way.

At least we might keep Ings now.

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said:

They just sell shares of 51% of the club.

 

Can the FA compel owners to do so ? Not sure the Government would want to.

[Pedantic Pete]

1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

Reckon this is a possibility. All these big power owners pulling away their purse strings and stopping any of these clubs buying players. Could go that way.

At least we might keep Ings now.

That's just mental...Well don't spend 70m on a centre back and don't pay 150k per week then it would be sustainable. 

[CB Fry]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Reckon this is a possibility. All these big power owners pulling away their purse strings and stopping any of these clubs buying players. Could go that way.

At least we might keep Ings now.

Seems odd but welcome.

Seriously lads, no one is forcing you to own English football clubs. Bugger off.

A full scale round of deflation of wages and fees would be most welcome.

[S-Clarke]

Just now, CB Fry said:

Seems odd but welcome.

Seriously lads, no one is forcing you to own English football clubs. Bugger off.

A full scale round of deflation of wages and fees would be most welcome.

Absolutely, if anything positive comes from this it would be that.

[Pedantic Pete]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

Can the FA compel owners to do so ? Not sure the Government would want to.

I think its the rule in Germany of the league so there would be nothing to stop the league making a rule that any individual or corporation couldn't own more than 49% of the shares in a club. The issue in that case would be getting the clubs to vote for it.. Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind!

 

[JustinSFC]

8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Reckon this is a possibility. All these big power owners pulling away their purse strings and stopping any of these clubs buying players. Could go that way.

At least we might keep Ings now.

This was coming. The bubble has well and truly burst and I'm glad it has.

[sydney_saint]

32 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But how do you get from, for instance, Gao holding 80% to he and Kat between them only holding 49% ?

I don't know much about this world so someone correct me. But could they issue a tonne more shares of the club, distributed to fans, to dilute the existing holders to 49%

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, sydney_saint said:

I don't know much about this world so someone correct me. But could they issue a tonne more shares of the club, distributed to fans, to dilute the existing holders to 49%

The Company would have to issue the shares, and in the case of Saints it would have to be 102% of the number currently in existence. The question again would be, how to compelk them to do so ?

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said:

I think its the rule in Germany of the league so there would be nothing to stop the league making a rule that any individual or corporation couldn't own more than 49% of the shares in a club. The issue in that case would be getting the clubs to vote for it.. Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind!

 

But it was the rule from the start of private ownership in Germany, ( see post above ).

[Baird of the land]

16 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Reckon this is a possibility. All these big power owners pulling away their purse strings and stopping any of these clubs buying players. Could go that way.

At least we might keep Ings now.

Having to cope with large squads filled with multi million pound players and the best youth prospects in the league. How will the poor little darlings manage.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

Having to cope with large squads filled with multi million pound players and the best youth prospects in the league. How will the poor little darlings manage.

Maybe Chelsea will have to refrain from loaning out 350 players every season now.

[Lord Duckhunter]

14 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Can the FA compel owners to do so ? Not sure the Government would want to.

Can’t see it, particularly a Tory one. Forget football, forcing private companies to dilute their shareholding and also give over control of the company  sets a precedent they won’t want to set. Will frighten investors in all types of industry. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle, however much you want to. 

[Pedantic Pete]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But it was the rule from the start of private ownership in Germany, ( see post above ).

True but there is no reason you couldn't agree it now in any league. However don't forget Man Utd already was floated a few years back, I think the owners have around 70% but I wonder how or if it would be different it if they owned only 49%? Surely there must be something else to the model.

 

[Pedantic Pete]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Maybe Chelsea will have to refrain from loaning out 350 players every season now.

Probably worse for them...Who is going to buy Werner now?

 

[Delmary]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

You really have to sympathise with Spurs.................................NOT !!!

It's such a shame that they're saddled with £500M stadium debt. LOL.

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said:

Probably worse for them...Who is going to buy Werner now?

 

I'd take him on loan tbf, as long as Chelsea pay 90% of his wage.

[Give it to Ron]

I was thinking transfer embargo for 2-3 years on the 6 but not sure that is far or good enough.

[Delmary]

1 hour ago, Baird of the land said:

And now Juventus have offered up their own sacrificial goat.

Would it be wrong to want Levy's head on a stake? 

[Pedantic Pete]

1 minute ago, Give it to Ron said:

I was thinking transfer embargo for 2-3 years on the 6 but not sure that is far or good enough.

They could ban them from the Champions league but looks like half of them will do that for themselves anyway!

 

[Saint_clark]

9 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

I was thinking transfer embargo for 2-3 years on the 6 but not sure that is far or good enough.

2 year ban from European competitions, 20 point deduction next season. 

[Roo1976]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

I would piss myself laughing if UEFA ban them all from European football next season 🤣🤣🤣

That would be a fantastic statement of intent .............fuck us off and you know what you aint getting in this year folks.........brilliant idea,but strong safeguards now need to be implemented and these foreign owners need to realise it aint football so fucking leave it.

[badgerx16]

Liverpool players all posting this on social media;

[aintforever]

The German model would obviously be near on impossible to implement here but the issue of club ownership needs to b3 addressed and safeguarding against this sort of thing every happening again put in place.

The six scum bag clubs should now face punishment from UEFA and/or the FA.

[hypochondriac]

53 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Somebody must have wrote that for him

Not as bad as the Kevin de bruyne one. When I read that earlier I audibly said "oh fuck off." these players all employ social media managers to curry favour.