M271 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 13 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: Pilchards gone quiet..... Isn’t Pilchards the person who used to actually or pretend to be up a tree at Staplewood watching out for potential signings etc, maybe that’s where he is? 🤔 1
davefizzy14 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 7 hours ago, Pilchards said: A twist?!?!? Any more on this pilchards?
Turkish Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, OldNick said: Nor did Les Reed. Les was on the compass, Koeman, Poch and Puel were at the wheel. 1 1
Miltonaggro Posted May 21 Posted May 21 On 20/05/2025 at 16:37, Dr. Kucho said: Talking of Wotte, he now coaches HVV, an amateur football club in the 6th tier of Dutch football (only the top 2 are professional). Good to see his career trajectory has been upwards since leaving Saints! 2
Crab Lungs Posted May 21 Posted May 21 7 hours ago, st_tommy said: Wanted to add something to the debate about how the La Ligue compares to the Championship. According to Global Football Rankings Ligue 1 is 5th ranked, Championship 11th, so that should indicate that he’s more than capable Will Still’s Lens side finished 1 league position and 5 points behind Rosenior’s Strasbourg. 🇫🇷 This summer, Stras had a net spend of +€62m vs. to Lens’ -€73m. Not to mention the loans due to the Chelsea association.💰 Interesting how both coaches are perceived. Sums it up nicely. 2
LeG Posted May 21 Posted May 21 Think Pilchards was just speculating / making a passing comment. It's as good as done (Still) 16
Saint Fan CaM Posted May 21 Posted May 21 Pilchards has fallen out his tree and twisted his neck. In other news, I’m keeping my powder dry on Still until I see what players he’s left with by the end of the window. 1
Badger Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, miserableoldgit said: I have vague memories of Pilchards apparently climbing trees at Staplewood (with binoculars?) to gather information..... This is certainly part of Saints Forum folklore isn't it ? Although I think it was an earlier version (was it Saints Forever era?) 2 1
Convict Colony Posted May 21 Posted May 21 Just now, Badger said: This is certainly part of Saints Forum folklore isn't it ? Although I think it was an earlier version (was it Saints Forever era?) This, earlobes and monkey petting zoo 3
Badger Posted May 21 Posted May 21 2 hours ago, OldNick said: Well not quite, I suggest it was Puels management did that. I scan read your post,, and thought I saw the name Pulis... nearly heart attack time seeing that on a thread about a new Saints manager 1
miserableoldgit Posted May 21 Posted May 21 (edited) ..... Edited May 21 by miserableoldgit Cock Up Mode
miserableoldgit Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 minute ago, Convict Colony said: This, earlobes and monkey petting zoo The days of 19C.... 2
Master Bates Posted May 21 Posted May 21 (edited) 8 hours ago, Pilchards said: A twist?!?!? No, I only Edited May 21 by Master Bates 1
Fabrice29 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 8 hours ago, Pilchards said: A twist?!?!? Hilarious post and then no follow up from someone who absolutely knew Rohl was the new manager a few weeks back btw.
InvictaSaint Posted May 21 Posted May 21 59 minutes ago, LeG said: Think Pilchards was just speculating / making a passing comment. It's as good as done (Still) Good enough for me! Cheers LeG. 👍😇👍 2
Master Bates Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, LeG said: Think Pilchards was just speculating / making a passing comment. It's as good as done (Still) Apart from Ed and Nicolas, any idea on any other coaching staff he'll be bringing with him?
CSA96 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 Guessing he will need to bring a GK coach, as presumably Dean Thornton will go and rejoin Russ at Leicester now
StrangelyBrown Posted May 21 Posted May 21 30 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Guessing he will need to bring a GK coach, as presumably Dean Thornton will go and rejoin Russ at Leicester now Can he take Bazunu with him? 2
Harry_SFC Posted May 21 Posted May 21 31 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Guessing he will need to bring a GK coach, as presumably Dean Thornton will go and rejoin Russ at Leicester now Will be a shame I think, heard some good things about Thornton but yes you'd assume so.
ChrisPY Posted May 21 Posted May 21 10 hours ago, Pilchards said: A twist?!?!? A T (HREE YEAR CONTRACT FOR) WI (LL) ST (ILL)
badgerx16 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, CSA96 said: Guessing he will need to bring a GK coach, as presumably Dean Thornton will go and rejoin Russ at Leicester now Given their collective performances, I didn't realise we actually had a GK coach.
coalman Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 minute ago, badgerx16 said: Given their collective performances, I didn't realise we actually had a GK coach. Given our suicidal passing around the back I'd imagine they're more of a therapist than a coach 1 6
West end Saints Posted May 21 Posted May 21 Looking at this thread, twitter posts and polls it looks like Still is the fans preference out of anyone who has been linked or mentioned in betting odds - which is a good start for getting the positive feel back into the club. I'm more optimistic than I was this time two years ago. Not many against him (and suspect some of those are wind up accounts). No guarantees, and it is natural to have doubts but genuinely feel we are approaching next season with a decent manager and strong basis of a team.
Give it to Ron Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 minute ago, West end Saints said: Looking at this thread, twitter posts and polls it looks like Still is the fans preference out of anyone who has been linked or mentioned in betting odds - which is a good start for getting the positive feel back into the club. I'm more optimistic than I was this time two years ago. Not many against him (and suspect some of those are wind up accounts). No guarantees, and it is natural to have doubts but genuinely feel we are approaching next season with a decent manager and strong basis of a team. He is not what or who I wanted at all and initially not happy about it ….then realised absolutely nothing I can do but get behind team and support them like always. It was my fault for shouting at Puel the boring git. 2
gurru991 Posted May 21 Posted May 21 4 hours ago, goodymatt said: Is the twist Russ joining Leicester? Please, Please, Please. NO 13
saint michael Posted May 21 Posted May 21 34 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Given their collective performances, I didn't realise we actually had a GK coach. Yeah he’s been coaching the strikers 2
Saint_clark Posted May 21 Posted May 21 1 hour ago, West end Saints said: Looking at this thread, twitter posts and polls it looks like Still is the fans preference out of anyone who has been linked or mentioned in betting odds - which is a good start for getting the positive feel back into the club. I'm more optimistic than I was this time two years ago. Not many against him (and suspect some of those are wind up accounts). No guarantees, and it is natural to have doubts but genuinely feel we are approaching next season with a decent manager and strong basis of a team. He's got a good squad to play the way he wants to play which will help, with some additions obviously. I think he'll have the whole fanbase onside pretty quickly.
S-Clarke Posted May 21 Posted May 21 I wasn't too encouraged by the Martin appointment when we went for him, I didn't think he had the experience or stature we really needed at the time to navigate a difficult summer and difficult start. It was almost over fairly early too, he'd have been gone if we'd lost to Leeds at home. Still is another interesting appointment, I wouldn't call him an unknown or a left field appointment as such, as he's relatively well known in European Circles and quite well thought of. As mentioned before, the main concern I have with him is his lack of experience in the same context as Martin. This is going to be a difficult summer and we need a strong manager who calls it as he wants it, and isn't led like a yes man. I don't know if he is a yes man, but we'll find out I guess. I'd argue that he's worked at a higher standard than Martin, with much higher quality players too, so he has that in his favour. My general take though is that I have no idea what to expect. We've gone from Jones to Selles to Martin to Juric, so in my mind I simply have no idea what to expect and all I can say is I hope it works out. 2
woodsaint1 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 3 hours ago, S-Clarke said: I wasn't too encouraged by the Martin appointment when we went for him, I didn't think he had the experience or stature we really needed at the time to navigate a difficult summer and difficult start. It was almost over fairly early too, he'd have been gone if we'd lost to Leeds at home. Still is another interesting appointment, I wouldn't call him an unknown or a left field appointment as such, as he's relatively well known in European Circles and quite well thought of. As mentioned before, the main concern I have with him is his lack of experience in the same context as Martin. This is going to be a difficult summer and we need a strong manager who calls it as he wants it, and isn't led like a yes man. I don't know if he is a yes man, but we'll find out I guess. I'd argue that he's worked at a higher standard than Martin, with much higher quality players too, so he has that in his favour. My general take though is that I have no idea what to expect. We've gone from Jones to Selles to Martin to Juric, so in my mind I simply have no idea what to expect and all I can say is I hope it works out. Thanks for that great insight 1
AlexLaw76 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Martin was a mediocre appointment who was lucky to get the job 2 years ago, The 25 game unbeaten run was nothing special to be fair, and he was embarrassing in the premier league. I do believe his experiences at saints, and the squad Leicester will have, will ensure he is top 6 of the champ at least. 1 2
for_heaven's_Saint Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Martin was a mediocre appointment who was lucky to get the job 2 years ago, The 25 game unbeaten run was nothing special to be fair, and he was embarrassing in the premier league. I do believe his experiences at saints, and the squad Leicester will have, will ensure he is top 6 of the champ at least. That might depend on whether or not they get a points deduction and whether they’re able to spend any money this summer. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, for_heaven's_Saint said: That might depend on whether or not they get a points deduction and whether they’re able to spend any money this summer. Fair one. I can’t help believe that the EFL will issue a pretty weak sanction. Few points and a fine 3
leesaint88 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, for_heaven's_Saint said: That might depend on whether or not they get a points deduction and whether they’re able to spend any money this summer. It's doubtful, the charge against Leicester has been brought on by the Premier League so if there are any point deductions it'll be this season. The EFL could jump to life once the 24/25 accounts are released but even then it'll probably be a fine. (I didn't realise until recently the EFL fined Leicester for some rather suspect sponsorship dealings back in 2014).
Appy Posted May 22 Posted May 22 17 minutes ago, leesaint88 said: It's doubtful, the charge against Leicester has been brought on by the Premier League so if there are any point deductions it'll be this season. The EFL could jump to life once the 24/25 accounts are released but even then it'll probably be a fine. (I didn't realise until recently the EFL fined Leicester for some rather suspect sponsorship dealings back in 2014). Points deduction can be next season
2Morrow Posted May 22 Posted May 22 I mean you can be doubtful but it will be next season as set out in the Athletic " If the 2023-24 case had proceeded as the authors of the Premier League rulebook had intended, this matter would have been resolved during the current season and any points deduction would have already been applied to Leicester’s total. But because the club refused to submit their 2023-24 accounts to the Premier League by December 31 last year, and then proceeded to fight these two jurisdiction battles, there is no chance of the Premier League being able to prosecute the club this season. So the matter will undoubtedly spill over into next season, when the Premier League, egged on by its EFL counterparts, is very likely to ask a new tribunal to apply a significant points deduction that would be applied in the Championship. We know Leicester were £19.4million over the allowed threshold for the three-year cycle ending with the 2022-23 season, when the limit was £105m. Their maximum figure for the three-year cycle up to the end of 2023-24, the season they won the Championship title to bounce straight back into the top flight, will only be £83m, as the limit for a season in the EFL is only £13m, not £35m. And because both the EFL and Premier League have prosecuted numerous PSR cases now, we also have a good sense of how many points a tribunal is likely to deduct for a significant breach, particularly if it is considered to be “aggravated” as opposed to “mitigated”. Given Leicester’s long fight to avoid being sanctioned by either body and their most recent failure to submit accounts to the Premier League, they are almost certainly going to be charged with an aggravated breach. This would suggest a starting position of them getting docked 12 points, though with a good chance that the Premier League will ask for even more. It is perhaps ironic that if Leicester had accepted their fate for 2023-24 sooner, and taken whatever punishment the Premier League sees fit, the points deduction would have already been applied and they would get to start next season in the second division with a clean slate. There is one further thing for the club to ponder, too, as the EFL has still not completely given up on the idea that it could pick up the 2022-23 PSR investigation it was unable to complete when Leicester won promotion last year. And if that is not depressing enough, the EFL will be all over the club’s accounts for next season, so the prospect of transfer embargoes and agreed budgets is very real. 5
Football Special Posted May 22 Posted May 22 8 minutes ago, 2Morrow said: I mean you can be doubtful but it will be next season as set out in the Athletic " If the 2023-24 case had proceeded as the authors of the Premier League rulebook had intended, this matter would have been resolved during the current season and any points deduction would have already been applied to Leicester’s total. But because the club refused to submit their 2023-24 accounts to the Premier League by December 31 last year, and then proceeded to fight these two jurisdiction battles, there is no chance of the Premier League being able to prosecute the club this season. So the matter will undoubtedly spill over into next season, when the Premier League, egged on by its EFL counterparts, is very likely to ask a new tribunal to apply a significant points deduction that would be applied in the Championship. We know Leicester were £19.4million over the allowed threshold for the three-year cycle ending with the 2022-23 season, when the limit was £105m. Their maximum figure for the three-year cycle up to the end of 2023-24, the season they won the Championship title to bounce straight back into the top flight, will only be £83m, as the limit for a season in the EFL is only £13m, not £35m. And because both the EFL and Premier League have prosecuted numerous PSR cases now, we also have a good sense of how many points a tribunal is likely to deduct for a significant breach, particularly if it is considered to be “aggravated” as opposed to “mitigated”. Given Leicester’s long fight to avoid being sanctioned by either body and their most recent failure to submit accounts to the Premier League, they are almost certainly going to be charged with an aggravated breach. This would suggest a starting position of them getting docked 12 points, though with a good chance that the Premier League will ask for even more. It is perhaps ironic that if Leicester had accepted their fate for 2023-24 sooner, and taken whatever punishment the Premier League sees fit, the points deduction would have already been applied and they would get to start next season in the second division with a clean slate. There is one further thing for the club to ponder, too, as the EFL has still not completely given up on the idea that it could pick up the 2022-23 PSR investigation it was unable to complete when Leicester won promotion last year. And if that is not depressing enough, the EFL will be all over the club’s accounts for next season, so the prospect of transfer embargoes and agreed budgets is very real. They just seem to wriggle out of it every time so I'll believe it when I see it, but that would be great news, 12-15 point deduction would give us a chance of finishing above them for once
Miltonaggro Posted May 22 Posted May 22 12 hours ago, gurru991 said: Please, Please, Please. NO If he does it will make the Vestergaard signing seem like you'd taken Van Dijk off our hands for £2M. Bonne chance...
tdmickey3 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 12 hours ago, gurru991 said: Please, Please, Please. NO Dont fret, it will be fun and everyone will enjoy it or something 1
OldNick Posted May 22 Posted May 22 13 hours ago, gurru991 said: Please, Please, Please. NO Wasnt that a Beatles hit...it please please me if youget RM although he could be a masterstroke. You have still the best midfield in the Championship presently
Saint86 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) 45 minutes ago, 2Morrow said: I mean you can be doubtful but it will be next season as set out in the Athletic " If the 2023-24 case had proceeded as the authors of the Premier League rulebook had intended, this matter would have been resolved during the current season and any points deduction would have already been applied to Leicester’s total. But because the club refused to submit their 2023-24 accounts to the Premier League by December 31 last year, and then proceeded to fight these two jurisdiction battles, there is no chance of the Premier League being able to prosecute the club this season. So the matter will undoubtedly spill over into next season, when the Premier League, egged on by its EFL counterparts, is very likely to ask a new tribunal to apply a significant points deduction that would be applied in the Championship. We know Leicester were £19.4million over the allowed threshold for the three-year cycle ending with the 2022-23 season, when the limit was £105m. Their maximum figure for the three-year cycle up to the end of 2023-24, the season they won the Championship title to bounce straight back into the top flight, will only be £83m, as the limit for a season in the EFL is only £13m, not £35m. And because both the EFL and Premier League have prosecuted numerous PSR cases now, we also have a good sense of how many points a tribunal is likely to deduct for a significant breach, particularly if it is considered to be “aggravated” as opposed to “mitigated”. Given Leicester’s long fight to avoid being sanctioned by either body and their most recent failure to submit accounts to the Premier League, they are almost certainly going to be charged with an aggravated breach. This would suggest a starting position of them getting docked 12 points, though with a good chance that the Premier League will ask for even more. It is perhaps ironic that if Leicester had accepted their fate for 2023-24 sooner, and taken whatever punishment the Premier League sees fit, the points deduction would have already been applied and they would get to start next season in the second division with a clean slate. There is one further thing for the club to ponder, too, as the EFL has still not completely given up on the idea that it could pick up the 2022-23 PSR investigation it was unable to complete when Leicester won promotion last year. And if that is not depressing enough, the EFL will be all over the club’s accounts for next season, so the prospect of transfer embargoes and agreed budgets is very real. Genuine query here as i've got lost in Leicester's particular PSR shenanigans and would dearly love to have what they're likely facing spelled out in black and white for me 😅🥰. I looked into their overspending a while back but always get lost in the applications of the rules with Leicester and what charges were taken against them and what they weaselled out off last time. My understanding was that they were in breach last season in the championship, and in the premier league relegation season before that. From that, i understood that they appealed the premier league/championship points deduction on the loopholes to do with timings and then not being able to be sanctioned by the premier league whilst in the championship (a loophole that i now think has retrospectively has now been closed for future offences). I can see how they abused the rules to avoid the premier league sanction, but they were still in breach of championship PSR rules when the accounts were released at the end of last season??? so is there not also a points deduction pending for that as well?!?! And, If i recall correctly, their rolling 3 year losses (note, not PSR losses) was something like £200M for this current 3 year window. So they've absolutely smashed the PSR allowance and should be facing a sanction that should have been implemented this season when the accounts were released?!?! However, there has been barely even a whisper of that sanction - let alone it being applied this season. So is the current consensus the following: That they've completely escaped the previous premier league sanction. That they've breached the loss limits for last year's accounts, and they are going to face the charge for that next season (although surely it should have been applied this year). And there is a possible outstanding charge for the previous championship season? If anyone can confirm this or set it out clearly it would be much appreciated Edited May 22 by Saint86
skintsaint Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: Fair one. I can’t help believe that the EFL will issue a pretty weak sanction. Few points and a fine Think Leicester already got one over the EFL on the FFP stuff before, think they will hit them hard. 1
leesaint88 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 3 hours ago, 2Morrow said: I mean you can be doubtful but it will be next season as set out in the Athletic " If the 2023-24 case had proceeded as the authors of the Premier League rulebook had intended, this matter would have been resolved during the current season and any points deduction would have already been applied to Leicester’s total. But because the club refused to submit their 2023-24 accounts to the Premier League by December 31 last year, and then proceeded to fight these two jurisdiction battles, there is no chance of the Premier League being able to prosecute the club this season. So the matter will undoubtedly spill over into next season, when the Premier League, egged on by its EFL counterparts, is very likely to ask a new tribunal to apply a significant points deduction that would be applied in the Championship. We know Leicester were £19.4million over the allowed threshold for the three-year cycle ending with the 2022-23 season, when the limit was £105m. Their maximum figure for the three-year cycle up to the end of 2023-24, the season they won the Championship title to bounce straight back into the top flight, will only be £83m, as the limit for a season in the EFL is only £13m, not £35m. And because both the EFL and Premier League have prosecuted numerous PSR cases now, we also have a good sense of how many points a tribunal is likely to deduct for a significant breach, particularly if it is considered to be “aggravated” as opposed to “mitigated”. Given Leicester’s long fight to avoid being sanctioned by either body and their most recent failure to submit accounts to the Premier League, they are almost certainly going to be charged with an aggravated breach. This would suggest a starting position of them getting docked 12 points, though with a good chance that the Premier League will ask for even more. It is perhaps ironic that if Leicester had accepted their fate for 2023-24 sooner, and taken whatever punishment the Premier League sees fit, the points deduction would have already been applied and they would get to start next season in the second division with a clean slate. There is one further thing for the club to ponder, too, as the EFL has still not completely given up on the idea that it could pick up the 2022-23 PSR investigation it was unable to complete when Leicester won promotion last year. And if that is not depressing enough, the EFL will be all over the club’s accounts for next season, so the prospect of transfer embargoes and agreed budgets is very real. It seems that Kieran Maguire has a different take on it. As the season falls within the premier leagues jurisdiction then any punishment can only be handed out when the club is in the Premier League, now, as you've mentioned that could be a long process and is unlikely to come through this season and that's where it could get a bit messy. It seems there has to be an agreement between the PL & EFL to take over the investigation but that's not 100% nailed on to happen, the EFL might not agree with the potential charges laid down by the PL and might even decide they want to lower or increase the possible punishment (the EFL have preferred financial in the past). I get a horrible feeling that yet again, despite being a complete basketcase and breaking the rules they'll get away with it because the PL & the EFL can't seem to agree with each other.
Verbal Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Make it a point per million you’re overspent. Don't. I know the feeling
Weston Super Saint Posted May 22 Posted May 22 4 minutes ago, leesaint88 said: It seems that Kieran Maguire has a different take on it. As the season falls within the premier leagues jurisdiction then any punishment can only be handed out when the club is in the Premier League, now, as you've mentioned that could be a long process and is unlikely to come through this season and that's where it could get a bit messy. It seems there has to be an agreement between the PL & EFL to take over the investigation but that's not 100% nailed on to happen, the EFL might not agree with the potential charges laid down by the PL and might even decide they want to lower or increase the possible punishment (the EFL have preferred financial in the past). I get a horrible feeling that yet again, despite being a complete basketcase and breaking the rules they'll get away with it because the PL & the EFL can't seem to agree with each other. The transgression happened when they were in the Championship.
leesaint88 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Just now, Weston Super Saint said: The transgression happened when they were in the Championship. True, but the Premier League has raised the matter due to the late submission and general pissing about with the 23/24 accounts. This year was the first season when all accounts had to be submitted to the Premier League by December (all clubs including us and Ipswich), apparently it was so that they could properly look through the figures and pull up those who have been a bit naughty (only two clubs were excluded from the naughty list, Spurs and Brighton). The charge was raised after Leicester decided they didn't want to play ball with the request, and then delayed them as long as they could assuming they were trying to dodge any points this season. The irony is that had they played ball with the Premier League they would of had the points this season and a clean slate moving forward, now with the investigation potentially being taken over by the EFL they'll be hit when they need the points for any promotion attempt.
gurru991 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 30 minutes ago, leesaint88 said: True, but the Premier League has raised the matter due to the late submission and general pissing about with the 23/24 accounts. This year was the first season when all accounts had to be submitted to the Premier League by December (all clubs including us and Ipswich), apparently it was so that they could properly look through the figures and pull up those who have been a bit naughty (only two clubs were excluded from the naughty list, Spurs and Brighton). The charge was raised after Leicester decided they didn't want to play ball with the request, and then delayed them as long as they could assuming they were trying to dodge any points this season. The irony is that had they played ball with the Premier League they would of had the points this season and a clean slate moving forward, now with the investigation potentially being taken over by the EFL they'll be hit when they need the points for any promotion attempt. We are a disaster of a club at the moment.... We need to clean house but our owner seems to want to keep his cronies in place. Even with a points deduction I expect us to gain promotion followed by relegation shortly after. We need a change of culture coupled with new progressive people in upper management positions but unfortunately all we do is rearrange the deck chairs.
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