New Manager Debate

[warsash saint]

I have asked before without a sensible reply so will ask again .... who is this experienced manager that Saints can realistically appoint??????

[sockeye]

In retrospect I think it's a shame that timings didn't line up for us to get Rohl.

[Wade Garrett]

30 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

I have asked before without a sensible reply so will ask again .... who is this experienced manager that Saints can realistically appoint??????

Read the thread.  There are plenty of names.

[CB Fry]

33 minutes ago, warsash saint said:

I have asked before without a sensible reply so will ask again .... who is this experienced manager that Saints can realistically appoint??????

There's no one. No one else on the entire planet.

We're just incredibly fortunate that the only realistic appropriate first team manager on earth for us just so happens to be the manager in charge today.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Think sports republic obviously want ekhart else they surely would have just appointed a experienced manager already during the international break .

think it’s a bit of a huge overreaction over his four game win streak though  when scienza is fit we do have a pretty amazing attack full of pace from everywhere.   How much of it is due to ekhart I’m not sure .

[SaintNewForest]

3 hours ago, sockeye said:

In retrospect I think it's a shame that timings didn't line up for us to get Rohl.

Nah, fuck Rohl. Don't need that ego here.

[Badger]

17 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Think sports republic obviously want ekhart else they surely would have just appointed a experienced manager already during the international break .

think it’s a bit of a huge overreaction over his four game win streak though  when scienza is fit we do have a pretty amazing attack full of pace from everywhere.   How much of it is due to ekhart I’m not sure .

Think you have to give him credit for utilising the player in a way that Still didn’t manage to for a number of weeks. 

[Mboto Gorge]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

There's no one. No one else on the entire planet.

We're just incredibly fortunate that the only realistic appropriate first team manager on earth for us just so happens to be the manager in charge today.

Exactly. And some say we don’t we get any luck. We’ve had a massive slice there. I said back in the summer that he was the only man who could possibly step in, if Still left. We’ve been very fortunate there

[pimpin4rizeal]

4 minutes ago, Badger said:

Think you have to give him credit for utilising the player in a way that Still didn’t manage to for a number of weeks. 

Depends if it was just a case of he players not playing for still or still being totally shit .. I’m sure a interim manager would probably do better then slot at LiverpooL atm but doesn’t mean it would be the smartest idea

[Dr Who?]

I see we are still going around in circles on here. I think I will head back when there is some solid valid news or official news. Have fun arguing and being abusive to everyone who does not agree with your professional opinion. 

[Thripp87]

I’m still waiting to hear a realistic/experienced option suggested by anyone.

There are no good options available that we can go and get.

May as well appoint Tonda until the end of the season. 

[The Kraken]

10 minutes ago, Thripp87 said:

I’m still waiting to hear a realistic/experienced option suggested by anyone.

I don’t think you’ve been looking hard enough. There’s been loads. There’s a bloody poll on this very thread that has a list of some ffs.

And even if they didn’t get name checked specifically on here, it’s absolutely ludicrous to suggest there is not a single experienced football manager in the world who would take the job if offered. Absolutely bonkers to use that as a rationale to give Eckert the job. Nuts.

Edited 16 hours ago by The Kraken

[Starksj1995]

1 hour ago, Thripp87 said:

I’m still waiting to hear a realistic/experienced option suggested by anyone.

There are no good options available that we can go and get.

May as well appoint Tonda until the end of the season. 

Rogers carrick etc 

[austsaint]

7 hours ago, warsash saint said:

I have asked before without a sensible reply so will ask again .... who is this experienced manager that Saints can realistically appoint??????

Do you want them in alphabetical order?

[Mboto Gorge]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

I don’t think you’ve been looking hard enough. There’s been loads. There’s a bloody poll on this very thread that has a list of some ffs.

And even if they didn’t get name checked specifically on here, it’s absolutely ludicrous to suggest there is not a single experienced football manager in the world who would take the job if offered. Absolutely bonkers to use that as a rationale to give Eckert the job. Nuts.

Yet the guy has the nerve to call other fans clowns for suggesting that Eckert possibly shouldn’t be given the job. Clearly isn’t very bright and doesn’t have the brainpower to think beyond whats being played out in front of his eyes, so can’t look beyond the current incumbent. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Mboto Gorge

[cambsaint]

If we don't appoint him you can be sure another club maybe in the Championship or league 1 will come in for him.

What about the Skates ? That possibility doesn't even bear thinking about !!

Imo he at the very least deserves the certainty of a decent extension with an option to appoint,

However in the absence of any official announcement nobody outside the club knows what is going on.

the current situation isn't very dignified for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Saint Fan CaM]

1. Nobody knows what the club and Eckhert have discussed - maybe they’ve said he’s in place as interim until the end of the season, unless a more suitable option emerges.

2. Given he’s out-performed supposedly more experienced Managers with 4 impressive wins, there is more risk in NOT appointing him right now…there are too many unknowns in all the other options meaning he is the safest bet right now. That position is hard to argue against.

[pimpin4rizeal]

5 hours ago, Thripp87 said:

I’m still waiting to hear a realistic/experienced option suggested by anyone.

There are no good options available that we can go and get.

May as well appoint Tonda until the end of the season. 

Despite the poor start we have had under still promotion should be the target this season whether that be automatic or play offs otherwise it’s another fuck up on sportts republic 

with the above in mind is ekhart really the man to deliver this ? It’s a huge gamble imo and fans fickle opinions will be changing on him after each and every result 

[HnycS]

2 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Despite the poor start we have had under still promotion should be the target this season whether that be automatic or play offs otherwise it’s another fuck up on sportts republic 

with the above in mind is ekhart really the man to deliver this ? It’s a huge gamble imo and fans fickle opinions will be changing on him after each and every result 

If an experienced manager is appointed he will get more slack? Somehow I doubt that. The teams improvement has been dramatic, surely he has credit in the bank?

[Harry_SFC]

2 hours ago, HnycS said:

If an experienced manager is appointed he will get more slack? Somehow I doubt that. The teams improvement has been dramatic, surely he has credit in the bank?

It's been very good against teams that leave us space. He'll need to try and work out a way to combat teams who don't do that. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

18 hours ago, warsash saint said:

I have asked before without a sensible reply so will ask again .... who is this experienced manager that Saints can realistically appoint??????

It will be Tonda Eckhart now.

They’ve started aligning the rest of the coaching teams. Adam Lallana moving to the U21’s for a start.

Tonda is either staying as part of the new coaching team, leaving or will be the new head coach - but he will be the new head coach.

[DT]

4 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

 

Tonda is either staying as part of the new coaching team, leaving or will be the new head coach 

I think that just about covers it. You should be a detective.

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

It's been very good against teams that leave us space. He'll need to try and work out a way to combat teams who don't do that. 

Not just his problem though, a big target man would have made a difference on Saturday. The new manager won’t have one of those at his disposal either. Tonda has had to adapt our playing style to suit our midgets, Millwall nullified this, as will many more competent championship teams. There are other, much discussed weaknesses in the squad.
 

Tonda has done ok with what he has at his disposal, yes he showed his inexperience on Saturday, but a new manager won’t be able to miraculously paper over the cracks. It would need to be accompanied by a January splurge and hopefully a clear out. 

[warsash saint]

11 hours ago, austsaint said:

Do you want them in alphabetical order?

Please

[SaintLondon]

Perhaps the thinking is now to extend the interim role through to the Birmingham game to test whether those four wins were a bounce or something more durable. Millwall were the better side at the weekend; that happens, you can’t win every game. But TE did make a few curious calls, Aribo chief among them and they may want to see how he responds to a setback and whether the team can rebound. (We aren't the most robust side are we...)

The cruel irony for TE is timing: if that Millwall defeat had landed mid-run, bracketed by wins, he’d likely look a stronger candidate today. As it is, the question is whether he can reset quickly and show there’s substance beyond the initial spark. Birmingham will tell us plenty.

[badgerx16]

8 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

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2. Given he’s out-performed supposedly more experienced Managers with 4 impressive wins, .

4 wins, yes.

Impressive, maybe 2 of them.

[Saint Fan CaM]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

4 wins, yes.

Impressive, maybe 2 of them.

Come on - four wins on the bounce when previously the team looked defeated almost before kick-off was a great achievement in the time he had initially and showed he had the tactical nouse to find a way to win with the squad he inherited - e.g. the use of AA as pivot in midfield and letting Scienza/Azaz and Fellows off their leashes. The reason that didn’t work against Millwall was because Robinson is not Scienza by some distance, Millwall had a decent gameplan to stifle our midfield and somehow managed to find some bargain basement players who fancied themselves as Messi on the day.

Fair play to Millwall - they did a good job on us. Let’s hope Tonda has learned that he cannot rely on crap defenders like Stephens and Manning instinctively knowing how to get stuck in, putting in a tackle and defending more pragmatically by clearing the ball when faced with marauding forwards trying to close them down.

Edited 2 hours ago by Saint Fan CaM

[swannymere]

Personally i'd stick with the German, no manager is a guarantee of success, look at great managers who've moved clubs and done bugger all.

[saintant]

Someone on TUI claiming Tonda has been given the job but they are waiting on a work permit which was declined and we have appealed. Sounds feasible. 

[skintsaint]

7 minutes ago, saintant said:

Someone on TUI claiming Tonda has been given the job but they are waiting on a work permit which was declined and we have appealed. Sounds feasible. 

Can't see it seeing as he is already employed as a head coach for the U21s, do they not give WP extensions for work promotions within the same organisation?

Edited 2 hours ago by skintsaint

[saintant]

11 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Can't see it seeing as he is already employed as a head coach for the U21s, do they not give WP extensions for work promotions within the same organisation?

I read somewhere that his work permit for the full time role is different to the one he already has for the U2s.

[Football Special]

34 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Can't see it seeing as he is already employed as a head coach for the U21s, do they not give WP extensions for work promotions within the same organisation?

Yeah that doesn't make sense, he was already full time employee of the club surely that covers it 

[Harry_SFC]

2 hours ago, Toussaint said:

Not just his problem though, a big target man would have made a difference on Saturday. The new manager won’t have one of those at his disposal either. Tonda has had to adapt our playing style to suit our midgets, Millwall nullified this, as will many more competent championship teams. There are other, much discussed weaknesses in the squad.
 

Tonda has done ok with what he has at his disposal, yes he showed his inexperience on Saturday, but a new manager won’t be able to miraculously paper over the cracks. It would need to be accompanied by a January splurge and hopefully a clear out. 

Oh totally agree. Spors should have a striker already lined up considering every man and his dog knows we need one. Even if it means paying over the odds. It's critical. 

[tdmickey3]

4 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Oh totally agree. Spors should have a striker already lined up considering every man and his dog knows we need one. Even if it means paying over the odds. It's critical. 

And a competent goalkeeper 

[Turkish]

59 minutes ago, saintant said:

Someone on TUI claiming Tonda has been given the job but they are waiting on a work permit which was declined and we have appealed. Sounds feasible. 

who is that? Had a look but cant see it

[Ted Bates Statue]

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/forum/326867/so-does-he-get-the-job/#10

[Dusic]

Remember reading this stating he already had his WP amended to enable him to do the interim role so probably some truth that it would need further amendment/approval for a full time appointment:

https://sportwitness.co.uk/southampton-given-permission-for-coach-to-continue-complex-situation-dealt-with/

Hopefully its confirmed soon and we can get on with it. Personal view is the same as stated before, he has shown he get the team playing winning, attacking football with players bought in and some individuals either returning to their best form or showing why we bought them when we didnt get a tune out of them before.

We lost on Sat and didnt play as well which happens, but if Romeu deals with a duel, Manning or Bazunu makea a block or THB a clearance then its a well earned point instead. I don't think that 30 sec sequence changes my view of what I have seen before.

Also don't think there is much value in keeping the interim thing going for ages - they either think he is the right guy or they don't so should now make the decision either way, especially when they are probably speaking with players about possible January moves, both in and out.

We could pay and try to get someone "experienced" but IMO why risk it when the signs are good? There doesn't seem to be anyone suggested here who is available and almost certainly a better option and the idea of just waiting for someone to be fired and then instantly turning up here is stupid.

All IMHO of course, 

@Morph

 

 

[Appy]

Give him another couple of weeks as the Interim, see how he copes with Saturday’s result and some adversity. His comments about Aribo worry me a bit. 

[Starksj1995]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

I read somewhere that his work permit for the full time role is different to the one he already has for the U2s.

Yes it’s a different work permit needed etc 

[the boy from saints]

16 hours ago, Thripp87 said:

I’m still waiting to hear a realistic/experienced option suggested by anyone.

There are no good options available that we can go and get.

May as well appoint Tonda until the end of the season. 

Steve Cooper?

[benjii]

22 hours ago, warsash saint said:

I have asked before without a sensible reply so will ask again .... who is this experienced manager that Saints can realistically appoint??????

O'Leary

Bruce

Hart

Sachi

Bielsa

Keegan

Kinnear