James Ward-Prowse

[Ex Lion Tamer]

5 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

If him staying is the difference between going up or not, then one year of his high wages would be worth every penny.

You can say that about so many things but if we didn't get promoted then it would be very bad news. We have to make sensible financial decisions and do enough to get promoted at the same time

[Ex Lion Tamer]

That said, if the ownership feel they can afford to keep JWP then all good. I just wouldn't hold it against them if they need to sell

[Dark Munster]

2 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

You can say that about so many things but if we didn't get promoted then it would be very bad news. We have to make sensible financial decisions and do enough to get promoted at the same time

The difference between him staying and going is probably no more that £5m in wages, so hardly a huge gamble.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

1 minute ago, Dark Munster said:

The difference between him staying and going is probably no more that £5m in wages, so hardly a huge gamble.

Plus a £25m-£30m transfer fee and all the other club costs we need to cover

Edited 10 July, 2023 by Ex Lion Tamer

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Plus a £25m-£30m transfer fee and all the other club costs we need to cover

We have loads of saleable assets that aren't jwp. I'd sell kwp, ABK and Salisu before I sold him. 

[LaptopSaint]

44 minutes ago, Dusic said:

I still think its extremely likely he will leave as soon as a PL club puts in a decent offer.

All players want to play in the PL, particularly in a tournament year and he would also get a big pay increase to negate his likely relegation cut.

I would imagine the shambles of the last couple of seasons has pissed him off quite a bit too...

The chances of JWP going to the Euros are very low, whether he's in the PL or the Championship. I'm sure he's figured out that Southgate rates him a bit, but doesn't rate him enough. And with the U21s winning their Euros there will be others like Palmer Elliott and Jones knocking at the door even if the seniors get an injury or two. Better to stay with us and be a legend. And break the PL free kick record in the 24-25 season at St Marys. 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, LaptopSaint said:

The chances of JWP going to the Euros are very low, whether he's in the PL or the Championship. I'm sure he's figured out that Southgate rates him a bit, but doesn't rate him enough. And with the U21s winning their Euros there will be others like Palmer Elliott and Jones knocking at the door even if the seniors get an injury or two. Better to stay with us and be a legend. And break the PL free kick record in the 24-25 season at St Marys. 

I'm not just saying this but I would genuinely stay if I were making the choice unless a real top team came in for me. If he captained us to promotion he'd be a legend in Southampton for the rest of his life. Money can't give you that. I suppose it depends what he values but he strikes me as the type of person who'd be attracted by that. I'm still leaning towards him maybe staying, one of the biggest reasons being that Adam Blackmore has spoken about the possibility and there's no way he hasn't had a cheeky chat with him off the record. 

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not just saying this but I would genuinely stay if I were making the choice unless a real top team came in for me. If he captained us to promotion he'd be a legend in Southampton for the rest of his life. Money can't give you that. I suppose it depends what he values but he strikes me as the type of person who'd be attracted by that. I'm still leaning towards him maybe staying, one of the biggest reasons being that Adam Blackmore has spoken about the possibility and there's no way he hasn't had a cheeky chat with him off the record. 

So true. I never understand why players move to 'win medals' - I would far rather be a local legend. Harry Kane is one example - why would he even think about leaving Tottenham when he is on the verge of being a genuine Spurs legend. But he would not be many people's phone a friend if they was on who wants to be a millionaire while JWP is bright and he will no doubt be conscious of this. 

[egg]

27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not just saying this but I would genuinely stay if I were making the choice unless a real top team came in for me. If he captained us to promotion he'd be a legend in Southampton for the rest of his life. Money can't give you that. I suppose it depends what he values but he strikes me as the type of person who'd be attracted by that. I'm still leaning towards him maybe staying, one of the biggest reasons being that Adam Blackmore has spoken about the possibility and there's no way he hasn't had a cheeky chat with him off the record. 

Legend status won't give him and his family a great life in the 50+ years after he hangs up his boots though. Cash will. 

Let's see what happens, but if he's only going to be a bit part player somewhere else, and/or other clubs are only willing to pay derisory money, he could well stay until the next window. 

It's going to be an interesting window. 

[Pwoite]

2 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

I have a good mate who knows him and sees him quite a bit. It’s obviously not something they talk about much, if at all really as it’s none of his business, but what I’ve been told is that the club will let him leave if it’s worthwhile for the club, but he wouldn’t kick up a fuss to leave. He absolutely loves the club, and the area, and he’s very much settled. But obviously if it’s too good to turn down then he would probably go, (the likes of the top clubs). I don’t see him going to a Fulham or a Brentford. West Ham there is a draw because of the Europa League, but doubt the club would consider selling at the prices being quoted anyway, 

The one, huge, disadvantage of WHU is that the he will be taking the position of Declan Rice, a fans' hero, and unless he plays as well as the English midfielder, the crowd will be on his back. Without Rice, West Ham aren't that great a squad, and their recent season partially proved that. A few back results and the fans will be baying for blood, and if could be James'.

[HarvSFC]

A more limited player in Mark Noble said this after his retirement: "when I look back now and I see the send off I got and the loyalty I’d shown to the club and the history I’ve created… an extra few grand a week doesn’t compare to that."

Perhaps he never got that life changing top offer, but he did stay with West Ham after they got relegated. Hopefully Ward-Prowse has a similar mindset. Can immortalise himself at Southampton, in a similar way that Benali has done, or leave and be forgotten about by his new club a few months after retiring. 

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

So true. I never understand why players move to 'win medals' - I would far rather be a local legend. Harry Kane is one example - why would he even think about leaving Tottenham when he is on the verge of being a genuine Spurs legend. But he would not be many people's phone a friend if they was on who wants to be a millionaire while JWP is bright and he will no doubt be conscious of this. 

Kane has the chance to go to a tip team and win leagues. It's not the same choice that jwp has. 

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

Legend status won't give him and his family a great life in the 50+ years after he hangs up his boots though. Cash will. 

Let's see what happens, but if he's only going to be a bit part player somewhere else, and/or other clubs are only willing to pay derisory money, he could well stay until the next window. 

It's going to be an interesting window. 

Obviously but it's not really a choice between 0 and thousands is it. He's already a multi millionaire. 

[ErwinK1961]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

Legend status won't give him and his family a great life in the 50+ years after he hangs up his boots though. Cash will. 

Let's see what happens, but if he's only going to be a bit part player somewhere else, and/or other clubs are only willing to pay derisory money, he could well stay until the next window. 

It's going to be an interesting window. 

Yeah, £60k a week gets you fck all these days.

[egg]

Just now, ErwinK1961 said:

Yeah, £60k a week gets you fck all these days.

Ha! £120k a week gets you a lot more. If he's offered an extra £1m + per year over the next few years, and a chance to play in the PL, it's inevitable he'd jump at it. 

[Andrew Watson]

How the hell does money come into it, JWP is a sensible guy who is almost certainly a multi millionaire. All this nonsense about a last big pay day,thats the trouble when most premier league players have never lived in the real world.

[revolution saint]

I think he goes and probably to West Ham. They’ve been the most consistently linked and the first bid is just the start of the dance. We’ll have a few weeks of back and forth and maybe we’ll get Flynn Downes in return but I don’t hold out much hope that JWP will stay.
My only concern is we extract as much as we can for him and that enables us to perhaps keep hold of players like Alcaraz, Tella, Tino, and Sulemana. 

[Bad Wolf]

8 minutes ago, Andrew Watson said:

How the hell does money come into it, JWP is a sensible guy who is almost certainly a multi millionaire. All this nonsense about a last big pay day,thats the trouble when most premier league players have never lived in the real world.

Erm...

[hypochondriac]

23 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I think he goes and probably to West Ham. They’ve been the most consistently linked and the first bid is just the start of the dance. We’ll have a few weeks of back and forth and maybe we’ll get Flynn Downes in return but I don’t hold out much hope that JWP will stay.
My only concern is we extract as much as we can for him and that enables us to perhaps keep hold of players like Alcaraz, Tella, Tino, and Sulemana. 

Yes I agree this is most likely. I was basing my replies on the bit from @Saint Garrettabout knowing someone who is his mate and him being open to staying. 

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Kane has the chance to go to a tip team and win leagues. It's not the same choice that jwp has. 

But what I am saying is that Kane has the chance to be a legend at Spurs and that should outweigh winning medals. Sadly I never had that chance to play for Saints but I would have stayed at Saints for the chance to be a local legend. It is a different decision when you are 22 but at 29 then it is more pronounced to just see your career out with the club you love. I often think that if my son was at Saints and had the chance to go to Chelsea and earn three times the wages at a young age then I would probably, albeit reluctantly think it was the right thing to do but at 29 I would tell him to stay. 

Edited 10 July, 2023 by Sergei Gotsmanov

[Maggie May]

I think a lot of you need to take off the rose tinted specs and come to terms with JWP leaving. I think Villa will nab him and a lot of players will be attracted to Emery’s philosophy. 

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Yeah, £60k a week gets you fck all these days.

Probably about 35k after taxes and what not. I wouldn't struggle on that though still! 😅

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

We have loads of saleable assets that aren't jwp. I'd sell kwp, ABK and Salisu before I sold him. 

That's good because we will sell them 😅😂. 

JWP is staying though 😎💪

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Yeah, £60k a week gets you fck all these days.

Prowsey will be on more than 60k per week. When he signed that deal he was the top earner on 100k with a rumoured clause to maintain highest wage and likely a percentage wage rise increase each season - if you assume he's had 2 years of percentage wages rises plus the rumoured 40% pay cut this summer, he must still be on at least about £70k per week. So clubs will have to offer him a fair wage to get him.

Edited 11 July, 2023 by Saint86

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Because he is a bloody good Clubman that's why and will not want to see Saints ripped off by a bunch of wide boy Eastenders who know the value of nothing and want everything for nothing. 

 

Do you honestly believe this pony 😂

He won’t give a shiny shite what we get, his only interest is what he gets. I’d imagine  he may even get a better deal the less they pay us. 

[hypochondriac]

7 hours ago, Maggie May said:

I think a lot of you need to take off the rose tinted specs and come to terms with JWP leaving. I think Villa will nab him and a lot of players will be attracted to Emery’s philosophy. 

I don't think a single poster has said he is definitely staying. 

[wild-saint]

12 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Does anyone actually have an itk on Jwp and his thoughts? I'm surprised we have got this far into the window with no indication at all about whether he'd actually consider staying. 

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

[Dman]

1 minute ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

[hypochondriac]

13 minutes ago, Dman said:

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

I would have to agree with that. At most it could like four or five years. Surely he could just rent somewhere lovely for the weekdays if required. 

[qwertyell]

7 hours ago, Maggie May said:

I think Villa will nab him and a lot of players will be attracted to Emery’s philosophy

No chance - Villa's midfield is absolutely stacked.

Kamara, Dendoncker, Douglas Luiz in the 6; McGinn, Ramsey, and Tielemans in the 8.

(Not counting Nakamba and Sanson, who may or may not be moving on.)

Then they've got further options in the 10 with Coutinho and Buendia.

Where's Prowse going to play, right back?

[Ribtickler]

James Ward Prowse, the enigma.  If he wasn’t a player that rose through the ranks, would there be much fuss about him?  The whole scenario reminds me of smithy and gavin in that welsh documentary,  eventually one of them has to leave.  
 

Im not convinced in him as a footballer, yes he scores the odd free kick and goal, but his corners are hit or miss. His all round play is sluggish and bland, like porridge.

if we pick up 35 million plus, I’d be happy and sleep like a log.  

that’s all I will say on the matter 

[suewhistle]

37 minutes ago, Dman said:

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

But decision making isn't just based on one element but a weighting of all of them. That one could play a part and possibly a significant one. Would they appreciate more money? Yes, but he probably doesn't _need_ it. Does he want the disruption of a house move? No, but what are the practical alternatives? And so on...

I haven't got any gut feeling on this and haven't a clue, but it would be nice to see Edozie and Sulemanna drawing free kicks from Championship defences and having someone to take advantage of them.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I would have to agree with that. At most it could like four or five years. Surely he could just rent somewhere lovely for the weekdays if required. 

And be away from his 5yo son all week? Not everyone is up for that

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

But decision making isn't just based on one element but a weighting of all of them. That one could play a part and possibly a significant one. Would they appreciate more money? Yes, but he probably doesn't _need_ it. Does he want the disruption of a house move? No, but what are the practical alternatives? And so on...

I haven't got any gut feeling on this and haven't a clue, but it would be nice to see Edozie and Sulemanna drawing free kicks from Championship defences and having someone to take advantage of them.

But he will still believe he can get in the England squad for the Euros and he wont do that playing for us

Anyway, i thought you'd stopped posting until the season starts as you cant handle other peoples opinions that are different to your own. You certainly announced your departure a few weeks ago, or was that just an attention seeking post?

[gordonToo]

The club will sell before the window closes as that's the way it works with a decreasing asset. No room for sentiment. 

Edited 11 July, 2023 by gordonToo

[DT]

1 hour ago, Dman said:

I love these theories. He's clearly not going to turn down a big money move to a big club north of London because his wife doesn't want to move. 

Also, wait 'til she hears about away matches...

[Miltonaggro]

Different players and situations but a lot of this ground was covered in the prelude to Danny Ings leaving us (as a Premier League club) for Aston fucking Villa.  Top level football is a very well paid very short career, if Prowsey, 29 this year, gets offered a three year deal on big money he'll be off. 

[SW5 SAINT]

3 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Different players and situations but a lot of this ground was covered in the prelude to Danny Ings leaving us (as a Premier League club) for Aston fucking Villa.  Top level football is a very well paid very short career, if Prowsey, 29 this year, gets offered a three year deal on big money he'll be off. 

He’s already got a three year deal on big money……

[waylander]

1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

West Ham train in Romford so that's a hack halfway round the M25 which can come to a halt at any time. Long commute!

[Ken Tone]

8 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Probably about 35k after taxes and what not. I wouldn't struggle on that though still! 😅

Don't know about JWP's wages but mostly the figures quoted in the media for footballers are AFTER tax. Foreign players especially, don't want to bother about British tax law details etc, so the clubs' contracts include them paying taxes for them--- or in Portsmouth's case not paying them !

So the obscene amounts quoted for wages are *really* obscene.

[Saint Garrett]

1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

Their family aren’t going anywhere. If he leaves he’ll be commuting from Winchester. 

He’s off to Turkey on Thursday, as you’d expect. “Will take something very special to lure him away”. 
 

My mate reckons Che and Adam Armstrong will also likely stay which is interesting.

[wild-saint]

2 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Their family aren’t going anywhere. If he leaves he’ll be commuting from Winchester. 

He’s off to Turkey on Thursday, as you’d expect. “Will take something very special to lure him away”. 
 

My mate reckons Che and Adam Armstrong will also likely stay which is interesting.

Yep and that could easily rule out west ham. Would he leave Saints for Fulham on a contract not particularly bigger than what he is on now? I guess could come down to his confidence that RM can build a promotion winning team.

[Toussaint]

There is lots of chatter regarding 40% pay cuts for relegation. I find it hard to believe there is a blanket clause across the squad reflecting this. How can anyone be sure JWP is subject to this, or how anyone would know what's in an individual contract outside the player, his agent and a select few within the club? Or am I missing something?

[Saint Garrett]

10 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

There is lots of chatter regarding 40% pay cuts for relegation. I find it hard to believe there is a blanket clause across the squad reflecting this. How can anyone be sure JWP is subject to this, or how anyone would know what's in an individual contract outside the player, his agent and a select few within the club? Or am I missing something?

I think it was reported in The Athletic that the squad had a 40% pay cut. I’ve no idea if that’s everybody. However, it would seem odd to exclude our highest paid player given the fact it’s meant to give us more financial security if relegated. They can always offer him a new contract and new terms if they think they can afford it and they want to

[Saint Fan CaM]

43 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

I think it was reported in The Athletic that the squad had a 40% pay cut. I’ve no idea if that’s everybody. However, it would seem odd to exclude our highest paid player given the fact it’s meant to give us more financial security if relegated. They can always offer him a new contract and new terms if they think they can afford it and they want to

What's in a contract and what the Club decide to enact are two different things though.  If they want to keep certain players they can easily amend the contract terms to whatever they feel the player deserves...e.g. JWP, Alcarez - amend to 0.1%, KWP, Tino, Sully - amend to 2% etc., Aribo, Diallo, Orsic, Tall Paul, Djenepo - leave well alone at 40%!

[Dman]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

But he will still believe he can get in the England squad for the Euros and he wont do that playing for us

 

He's given up the hope of the euros, his wife doesn't want 2 weeks in Germany. 

[Miltonaggro]

14 minutes ago, Dman said:

He's given up the hope of the euros, his wife doesn't want 2 weeks in Germany. 

My ex-wife was the same with the Munich Beer Festival in 1992. 

[Chez]

2 hours ago, qwertyell said:

No chance - Villa's midfield is absolutely stacked.

Kamara, Dendoncker, Douglas Luiz in the 6; McGinn, Ramsey, and Tielemans in the 8.

(Not counting Nakamba and Sanson, who may or may not be moving on.)

Then they've got further options in the 10 with Coutinho and Buendia.

Where's Prowse going to play, right back?

Agree, although they are trying to offload Dendoncker.

[VectisSaint]

3 hours ago, wild-saint said:

ive heard that his wife doesn't wasn't to leave their home in Winchester /Twyford way and as such only London clubs are realistic as he will need to commute to training. guess that means Wet Spam and or Fulham. Not sure where west ham train but that could be a trek each day that could put him off. 

Have thought all along that Brighton would be more likely than any London club. He does come from Pompey after all, even if he now lives in Winchester, Brighton are in Europe next season, which is more than can be said for Fulham. Why are Boscombe ruled out as well, pretty easy to commute from Winchester? Could also see him linking up again with Poch. I actually don't think he will leave

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

Their family aren’t going anywhere. If he leaves he’ll be commuting from Winchester. 

He’s off to Turkey on Thursday, as you’d expect. “Will take something very special to lure him away”. 
 

My mate reckons Che and Adam Armstrong will also likely stay which is interesting.

Shame I quite wanted che to go so we could replace him with someone more effective. Also makes me quite nervous that we will sell off some of the ones we actually want to keep instead (tella, Alcaraz, Sulemana, Tino).