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RedArmy

RedArmy

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1 minute ago, saintant said:

Shearer says Man City being found guilty of most of 115 charges would give them an asterisk - We get dumped out of potentially the most lucrative game in football and they get given an asterisk. Where's the justice.

We’re about to get it in the colon from the FA if that helps. 

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saintant

saintant

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Typical, just when we're the major headline news City have to go and steal our thunder. Does Neil Harris have a view on this? 

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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15 minutes ago, saintant said:

Rangers are tiny compared with Citeh.

They are vital for TV coverage in Scotland - 4 Old Firm derbies each season are a comparative gold mine.

mikec

mikec

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1 hour ago, sandwichsaint said:

Good day to bury bad news, FA give Saints the biggest shoeing in football history and nobody else even notices. 
 

 

But "bad news" for most of the football world would be Tonda getting off lightly, so I hope you're right.

egg

egg

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Just now, saintant said:

Does this mean we are no longer officially the biggest cheats in world football? Another crown taken from us.

Watch us be convicted of 116 breaches and retain our crown.

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West Dean FC Legend

West Dean FC Legend

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2 minutes ago, saintant said:

Typical, just when we're the major headline news City have to go and steal our thunder. Does Neil Harris have a view on this? 

Well imagine how angry the Middlesbrough supporters will be - clogging up social media with posts and replies about Manchester City, I mean a team cheating in the league they should be in, obviously not as big an offence or as evil as Saints one, but nevertheless.

WIth their wonderful angel-like attitude I'm sure they'll be demanding City get a 3 point deduction and one of their scheduled penalties is removed - oh and 'Borough get instantly promoted now because....well obvious really.

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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

They still won’t kick Man City out of the league because of the money they bring in.

Have a day off! If they kicked them out I’m sure Sky would kick up a stink given the millions of pounds invested in these clubs including Man City.

They get a monumental fine and a transfer ban for a year.

The damage to the PL brand from kicking Citeh out will be too much. Imagine Haaland, Donarumma, Anderson, Fernandez, Doku etc all potentially going abroad and weakening the PL and a significant reduction in chances of a PL team winning the Champions League. We are cannon fodder / easy to brush aside for the football authorities in comparison

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egg

egg

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29 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Mate, they are done as a club. Burnley sued everton over one season and have been awarded nearly £40M. 

Every single club that was in the prem over that period will have a legal case against them. European clubs can sue them....

And that ignores the sporting sanction. You could make an argument for them being drop kicked out of the Football League.
 

And start again in the National League North. That'd be quite something. Bring it on. 

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saintant

saintant

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1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

The damage to the PL brand from kicking Citeh out will be too much. Imagine Haaland, Donarumma, Anderson, Fernandez, Doku etc all potentially going abroad and weakening the PL. We are cannon fodder for the football authorities in comparison

This is the harsh reality but I think it actually puts the FA in quite a delicate situation. Can they afford to give Tonda a lengthy ban at the exact moment City have been hit with this? 

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Sarnia Cherie

Sarnia Cherie

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2 hours ago, LiberalCommunist said:

I had a feeling the City case would drop while we were waiting. This is just so perfect. 

You can't hate these people enough. They can't touch City, but they can show they have teeth. 

What a load of shit. Couldn't even find any info on the BBC, its a non story.  

Top of the prem. New manager. New hair cut. Leave them alone. 

I'm really quite tired of this now. 

 

It is on the BBC. I read it and started a thread but others have decided to sully our Spygate thread with Man City!!!

obelisk

obelisk

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

Much less commentary about how disgusting city are. No one has called them morally repugnant.

Well let's face it. Standing in a public place while watching players going through their moves in full public view is a much more serious offence than systematically breaking financial rules designed to slightly even things up a bit over many years.

What does "Gibbo" have to say on this? Presumably he'll be demanding a place in the EPL.

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Football Special

Football Special

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7 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

I notice the City forum hasn't crashed. Take note @stevegrant 😁

Were they expecting it? 

Feels like the 115 charges have been around for years and this announcement was quite sudden, but perhaps its been on the cards and just not on our radar. When Pep left there were quite a few people saying he's getting out before the verdict hits. 

Old school City fans wouldn't fear expulsion and some time in league one , in fact some of them would welcome it 

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LaptopSaint

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FFS just as we’re about to take top place in the Badboys League, Man City and their Gulf money come and piss on our parade. Sports Republic out - they haven’t done enough. 

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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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15 minutes ago, saintant said:

This is the harsh reality but I think it actually puts the FA in quite a delicate situation. Can they afford to give Tonda a lengthy ban at the exact moment City have been hit with this? 

The FA is assessing Tonda, the PL is assessing Man City. Separate institutions so they will say independent decisions. The EFL also banned us from the final

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13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Much less commentary about how disgusting city are. No one has called them morally repugnant.

That's because none of their offences were committed from behind a tree. They're small time. 

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EssEffCee

EssEffCee

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9 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Were they expecting it? 

Feels like the 115 charges have been around for years and this announcement was quite sudden, but perhaps its been on the cards and just not on our radar. When Pep left there were quite a few people saying he's getting out before the verdict hits. 

Old school City fans wouldn't fear expulsion and some time in league one , in fact some of them would welcome it 

Yeah I doubt most of their original fans are that arsed. 

Think the bigger issue for the club might be legal implications rather than sporting ones.

Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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9 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Were they expecting it? 

Feels like the 115 charges have been around for years and this announcement was quite sudden, but perhaps its been on the cards and just not on our radar. When Pep left there were quite a few people saying he's getting out before the verdict hits. 

Old school City fans wouldn't fear expulsion and some time in league, in fact some of them would welcome it 

Yeah that’s what I thought - it’s been known and expected for such a long time that it’s almost old news. 114/115 charges proved as wrong-doing apparently - under the circumstances expulsion from the EPL is the least they should expect…possibly also -6 points next season too.
 

LiberalCommunist

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Even the BBC headline is down playing the severity. 'Found guilty of the majority of 115 charges.'

No, they were found guilty of 114 of 115 charges. That's not just a majority, that's all of them bar one. Seven of those were applicable to PSR rules, the others, far more serious. 

54 counts of not supplying financial documentation. Hiding income. Failing to provide salary info. Fraud on a industrial level. 

35 counts of not cooperating. 

And lets remember, other clubs have already been punished for far less. Everton and Nottingham Forrest should feel very aggrieved tonight if this punishment isn't massive points deduction and multiple relegations. 

I don't give a shit about City, but punishments have to be proportionate, or there's no point in having a governing body.

So, what's the punishment to be, and when are all the other clubs going to start filing lawsuits. That's how it works now. You made the rules, after all. 

Burn it all down. 

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SaintsLoyal

SaintsLoyal

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1 hour ago, lambtiss said:

Grow up

LOL He did the deed telling players to leave, you his dad ? LOL

Lallana is a dirty rat as expressed by a former club director. 

Toussaint

Toussaint

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9 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

LOL He did the deed telling players to leave, you his dad ? LOL

Lallana is a dirty rat as expressed by a former club director. 

Just remember, your weekend pass is conditional on you taking your medication. I’ve had enough of cheating for one day thank you. Just take your medication and fulfil your obligation!

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Given how vociferous he has been over Tonda, how is Jim White going to cover this ?

By calling someone a racist or a phobe of some kind?

saintant

saintant

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Shearer says, if found guilty, City will be given an asterisk next to their name. So we should have been in the Play-Off Final against Hull but with an asterisk next to our name. I'd have taken that.

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Toussaint

Toussaint

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3 minutes ago, saintant said:

Shearer says, if found guilty, City will be given an asterisk next to their name. So we should have been in the Play-Off Final against Hull but with an asterisk next to our name. I'd have taken that.

I can’t believe he had the Gaul to say that!

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coalman

coalman

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1 hour ago, egg said:

Watch us be convicted of 116 breaches and retain our crown.

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Will Salt recorded nearly 5 minutes of footage on his phone. At a rate of one breach per second that's easily 300 breaches. Which, by my estimation should result in a 731 point deduction from this season and a 327 year ban for Tonda.

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JohnnyShearer2.0

JohnnyShearer2.0

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Let's see if the premier league has the balls to relegated them via a massive points fine.

I know they won't. It'll be a massive fine that's it. Most likely take off points retrospectively in those years.

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saintwbu

saintwbu

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

So if that is right we could appeal in a fortnight once it's announced and then it could be another three weeks after that. Potentially another five weeks?

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Why are all these things unable to be escalated to CAS? Who decides that?

benjii

benjii

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1 hour ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Even the BBC headline is down playing the severity. 'Found guilty of the majority of 115 charges.'

No, they were found guilty of 114 of 115 charges. That's not just a majority, that's all of them bar one. Seven of those were applicable to PSR rules, the others, far more serious. 

54 counts of not supplying financial documentation. Hiding income. Failing to provide salary info. Fraud on a industrial level. 

35 counts of not cooperating. 

And lets remember, other clubs have already been punished for far less. Everton and Nottingham Forrest should feel very aggrieved tonight if this punishment isn't massive points deduction and multiple relegations. 

I don't give a shit about City, but punishments have to be proportionate, or there's no point in having a governing body.

So, what's the punishment to be, and when are all the other clubs going to start filing lawsuits. That's how it works now. You made the rules, after all. 

Burn it all down. 

Still, good news on the 1!

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egg

egg

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

I'd 100% be appealing right at the end of the two week deadline so Tonda can help us smash the skates as a parting gift 

That's tempting, but the uncertainty over him wouldn't have helped us this season, and do we really want more of it. 

VectisSaint

VectisSaint

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12 minutes ago, saintwbu said:

Why are all these things unable to be escalated to CAS? Who decides that?

Almost certainly a condition of membership of the organisation, EFL, FA etc. All member clubs agree to abide by the decisions of the governing body.

The Citeh decision today has brought into perspective that although the hearing took place yesterday, the decision on sanctions is separate and takes place after and separate to the hearing. The same happened in May, but the timescales were compressed as agreed by the Club.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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3 minutes ago, egg said:

That's tempting, but the uncertainty over him wouldn't have helped us this season, and do we really want more of it. 

Yes, and it buys more time to sort out a replacement.

Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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3 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

The repercussions could be massive?

Almost every club in the pyramid has been impacted by flagrant cheating. 

It’s way worse than anything we did

No surely it isn’t? Listen to any expert pundit and they’ll tell you what we’ve done is the worst thing anyone has ever done in football. A kid on an iPhone standing behind a tree 24 hours later than he’s allowed to, is way worse than a global flouting of 114 rules for 8 years while winning relentless silverware in the process. We deserve everything we get….

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coalman

coalman

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8 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Maybe, but Everton got done 10 points for just one charge. So City could have 115 x 10 = 1,150 point deduction 😀

But then get 1,200 points back for time served during the process meaning that they'll need to crown them Premier League champions for last season.

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