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9 hours ago, jawillwill said:

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/portsmouth-fc/mark-catlin-northern-clubs-will-appeal-more-players-portsmouth-under-salary-cap-proposals-2919671

Getting the excuses in early for why they'll finish below Fleetwood and Accrington Stanley next season...

Using cheaper flat & house prices is daft.

The average League One player earns £70,000 per year. They are rich men and can easily afford a decent flat or house.

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3 hours ago, OldNick said:

it is a fair point, but they have spent on higher wages and still haven't taken advantage of that.

I assume all clubs in the South could have the same argument and so he may get some backing.

It's not a fair point at all.

I did a really quick google and found a 2 bed flat in Portsmouth for £650 pcm.  I found a 2 bed flat in Fleetwood for £550 pcm.  I know maths down there isn't a strong point but that is not double!

I imagine all London clubs are in a much worse position using the same criteria.

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21 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

It's not a fair point at all.

I did a really quick google and found a 2 bed flat in Portsmouth for £650 pcm.  I found a 2 bed flat in Fleetwood for £550 pcm.  I know maths down there isn't a strong point but that is not double!

I imagine all London clubs are in a much worse position using the same criteria.

I didnt think it would be double but the cost of living is higher down here. I doubt a footballer in these days will be looking at a 2 bed flat to be fair. 

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2 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I didnt think it would be double but the cost of living is higher down here. I doubt a footballer in these days will be looking at a 2 bed flat to be fair. 

Those were the words of Caitlin regarding two bed flats...  I think he's got a valid point about the cost of living for some places - I imagine the bigger cities up North have at least comparable accomodation costs to Portsmouth though - but I expect this is far more of an issue for the London based clubs...

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5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Those were the words of Caitlin regarding two bed flats...  I think he's got a valid point about the cost of living for some places - I imagine the bigger cities up North have at least comparable accomodation costs to Portsmouth though - but I expect this is far more of an issue for the London based clubs...

Ah I see, ididnt read or take in all he wrote,thanks

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11 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Those were the words of Caitlin regarding two bed flats...  I think he's got a valid point about the cost of living for some places - I imagine the bigger cities up North have at least comparable accomodation costs to Portsmouth though - but I expect this is far more of an issue for the London based clubs...

There will be Pompey players earning £100k+ per year. I'm sure they can afford a house or flat whether in Portsmouth, Fleetwood or London. It is a completely flawed argument by Caitlin.

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23 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

There will be Pompey players earning £100k+ per year. I'm sure they can afford a house or flat whether in Portsmouth, Fleetwood or London. It is a completely flawed argument by Caitlin.

To be fair, 100k via one earner to raise a family in London doesn't go far. Fine for a young lad with no commitments but not great for a family man with a wife at home and a couple of kids.

I wouldn't live in London for £100k.

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14 minutes ago, benjii said:

To be fair, 100k via one earner to raise a family in London doesn't go far. Fine for a young lad with no commitments but not great for a family man with a wife at home and a couple of kids.

I wouldn't live in London for £100k.

Lots of families are fine on an income of under £100k in London. A family of two new teachers would be on a combined £60k.

Plus they don't even need to live in London. A lot of London team training grounds are on the fringes of London. That is their main workplace, not a stadium they visit 25 times a year. They can live within commuting distance of the training grounds.

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22 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Lots of families are fine on an income of under £100k in London. A family of two new teachers would be on a combined £60k.

Plus they don't even need to live in London. A lot of London team training grounds are on the fringes of London. That is their main workplace, not a stadium they visit 25 times a year. They can live within commuting distance of the training grounds.

Depends where the ground is. Point is, which is not really up for debate, you get a let more for your money outside London, which is important for people with kids.

Combined income of £60k in London means living in a shit hole surrounded by ne'erdowells. 

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The issue a lot of lower league clubs have is that the more experienced pros have kids settled in schools etc so want the security of a 3 year contract but the clubs are loathe to offer them.

I believe the average lower league contract is for 2 years, with a release after 1 year clause built in.

It's understandable why some pros won't upsticks.

It'll be even more profound this year as clubs, even the skates, tighten their belts further.

For example, Port Vale have released all of their academy lads who would have finished Y13 this year. They cannot afford to offer any contracts. They've let coaches go too.

Crewe have done something similar as have Walsall too I believe.

 

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3 hours ago, benjii said:

Depends where the ground is. Point is, which is not really up for debate, you get a let more for your money outside London, which is important for people with kids.

Combined income of £60k in London means living in a shit hole surrounded by ne'erdowells. 

You're assuming these individuals have no other equity or cash behind them!

plenty of players at that level with mortgage free properties and a reasonable career of earning 6 figure salaries for a number of years!

 

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On 23/07/2020 at 16:28, benjii said:

Depends where the ground is. Point is, which is not really up for debate, you get a let more for your money outside London, which is important for people with kids.

Combined income of £60k in London means living in a shit hole surrounded by ne'erdowells. 

The average salary in London is 37k.

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15 minutes ago, Shroppie said:

When stadiums reopen to fans, apparently it will be concourse area that will determine the number of fans admitted.

Inspection of Fratton Park has established a limit of three spectators per stand.

They are screwed if that is true! Not much room in these concourses for social distancing!

Fratton Park – an iconic ground | Football and material culture

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17 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

They are screwed if that is true! Not much room in these concourses for social distancing!

Fratton Park – an iconic ground | Football and material culture

Hold on a minute, you pony boys are harping on that we are one big happy family, (incest is best) so we don't need to keep social distance from our Farther-Brother, Muver-Sister do we?:shakey: 

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56 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

Reading the piece in the Telegraph about Boscombe and how they owe £81m still on players plus have players with no relegation clause, they could well go the way of the skates.

Maybe we’ll have a Bompey Takeover Saga thread soon then!

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

The former UKIP candidate, from Portsmouth, was also handed a six-month football banning order.

Jennings had been ordered by police to leave the area two hours before the match because he was drunk, the barrister said.

However, the defendant returned and joined a "baying mob" of Portsmouth fans.

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On 31/07/2020 at 06:54, alehouseboys said:

Saints fan cleared over flares at derby match

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18619319.southampton-fan-cleared-flare-portsmouth-caraboa-cup-match/

He's been getting hate mail from the pony-punchers - I'm surprised, I thought the backward fookwit residents of portsea island were still wearing flares

Poor bloke, hope the club sorts him out with a ticket this year, assuming that any of us can attend games anyway.

As for Derek Jennings, pathetic from a 53 year old man, but what do you expect from a man who probably has Farage, Nick Griffin and the 657 crew as his heroes. 

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Key thread news alert!

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League One and Two have today voted in favour of a wage cap. It screws Pompey as they are restricted to £2.5m per year (for wages, agent fees, signing on fees combined!). It now means they can't outspend clubs with smaller crowds and have to drop from their current wage bill quite a lot!

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11 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Wasn't their wage bill £4million? With 8 squad players out of contract? 

In other words, their first team is gutted with no spare cash to replace them? 

They'll be a good bet to go down again this season.

Any current contract counts as league average wage until it expires.

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52 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Wasn't their wage bill £4million? With 8 squad players out of contract? 

In other words, their first team is gutted with no spare cash to replace them? 

They'll be a good bet to go down again this season.

No, it doesn't quite work that way. Any contracts that are above the division-mandated average that were already in place before today will be counted as that average amount either for the duration of that contract or until a new contract is signed.

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1 minute ago, stevegrant said:

No, it doesn't quite work that way. Any contracts that are above the division-mandated average that were already in place before today will be counted as that average amount either for the duration of that contract or until a new contract is signed.

Ah I see. In that case they'll have a slight advantage if anything.

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3 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

Ah I see. In that case they'll have a slight advantage if anything.

I dunno, they would be in a much better position if they didn’t have 8 players out of contract. They are going to have to sign 8 new players on contracts under the new rules.

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7 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

What's the punishment for going over the cap then? Please say points deduction.

If a club is over the salary cap by up to 5%, they will face a financial penalty for every £1 by which they exceed the limit.

Any club exceeding the 'overrun' will be referred to an independent disciplinary commission for further sanction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53696424

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Just finished reading an article on the Athletic about JWP.

He's funded his old sports club from where he played when he was a kid (before joining the saints academy). There is now a mural on the clubhouse external wall (anti graffiti paint) of him - although not in a saints kit 🤣).

His old trainer David Hill mentions how one day, JWP's dad came in and asked David where he should send JWP given he had been approached by both clubs. He admits that even now he doesn't wish JWP had joined Portsmouth and that he would send his own kids to Saints. Mentions the lack of funding/support the Skate's academy has.

Given that was then and things have only got worse in recent years (to the point where their kids are now going to local Portsmouth football clubs where our Captain adorns their walls, you really do have to wonder what future there is for them as a club and a fanbase.

Their sons will wear our shirts etc 😆

 

Better yet, he even criticises the Pompey players. He says "they come down here, spend 30min on their phones and then leave", whereas JWP came gave them the funding to tackle their asbestos club house and stayed down for a couple of hours with the kids etc.

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18 hours ago, igsey said:

Wow that's huge, I'm surprised it's with immediate effect - this means they will have to start renegotiating contracts and possibly release any players that won't agree to take a wage cut.

No they won't.

Any pre-existing contracts can be honoured and will be rated as the division average for cap purposes.

For example, if they're basing it on a 20-man first-team squad (can't remember what the number was), that's a £125k average, so any player already on a contract that's higher than that will only count for £125k for the duration of that contract. Worth also emphasising that there's nothing to stop clubs paying one player £20k a week and splitting the remaining cap money between the rest, so it's not a case of "they can't sign Player X because they can't pay him any more than £2.5k a week". Also, I think players under a certain age don't count towards the cap either, so if they've got a top young talent they could theoretically pay that player whatever they wanted.

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17 hours ago, Saint_clark said:

What's the punishment for going over the cap then? Please say points deduction.

There's a 5% tolerance within which the penalties are purely financial and automatic - for every pound overspent up to the 5% tolerance, that is the fine payable and the revenue is split evenly between all of the compliant teams in the division. For any club going over the 5%, they get referred to an independent disciplinary commission who would have the power to impose pretty much whatever penalty they want.

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The PFA are claiming it is unlawful in the UK to impose these wage caps.

What part of UK law makes wage caps unlawful that US law doesn't make wage caps unlawful in their sports?

For a capitalist society, American sport in some respects is strangely communist in nature... wage caps & player drafts! 

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