Batman Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 (edited) Ah, good to see you bringing your xenophobia here from the terrorist thread. How do you explain why so many teams have done so well with mainly foreign players? what the hell are you on about? you didnt have a problem when you posted this... Quality players will want the biggest clubs and CL football so that rules us out along with all of the other clubs outside the top 4 or 5. . Why would we sign poorer quality players, whichever club they come from. I do like it when Saints are home to quality English players. If we can only keep them. Edited 28 August, 2017 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stedje Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Time for a quick poll with just a few days left Mods?? Keep him - play him Keep him - let him for Sell him - anyone Sell him - not Liverpool Sell him to the highest bidder. This drama sucks the energy out of the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Sell him to the highest bidder. This drama sucks the energy out of the Club. Quite right, holding on to a stubborn knob like Van Dijk will do us no good whatsoever. What has he got to lose really, nothing is the answer. Hasn't played since February, isn't in the Dutch National side just now, they won't qualify for the WC anyway and there is only a certain amount of fines we can inflict on him in what is a fairly narrow corridor of action. As long as he turns up for training as requested he can be dire as you like and we can't do anything at all about it. If he doesn't train hard he'll not be selected anyway and so the only losers will be SFC. I tell you, we should take the money and be rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Hoedt ...is a replacement for Fonte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Everyone arguing sale do tell how we will find a fair priced replacement this late? Hijack Stoke's deal for Wimmer. I'd rather sell to VVD to Chelsea or Arsenal and buy a No. 10 and another CB with the proceeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Hijack Stoke's deal for Wimmer. I'd rather sell to VVD to Chelsea or Arsenal and buy a No. 10 and another CB with the proceeds. You're the first to complain if SFC show weakness. I thought you'd at least stand fast on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Hijack Stoke's deal for Wimmer. I'd rather sell to VVD to Chelsea or Arsenal and buy a No. 10 and another CB with the proceeds. Wimmer is another left sided CB though, so can't see we'd go for him and Hoedt. I think it was one or other, and we've made our choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 You're the first to complain if SFC show weakness. I thought you'd at least stand fast on this. Think it's an Austrian thing more than anything else. Wimmer isn't that good but he's Austrian and thus an Alpine hero figure. Hoedt is probably as good as Wimmer anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 How about Liverpool £50 Million plus Origi and Sakho I'd take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 How about Liverpool £50 Million plus Origi and Sakho I'd take that. But what about Ziyech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stedje Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 How about Liverpool £50 Million plus Origi and Sakho I'd take that. Not likely, but oh yes:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 How about Liverpool £50 Million plus Origi and Sakho I'd take that. Why do you even bother posting these stupid things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 I see Naby Keita has started playing for RB Leipzig again, when will we see VVD end his childish strop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 You're the first to complain if SFC show weakness. I thought you'd at least stand fast on this. For me its a victory if he doesnt end up at Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Think it's an Austrian thing more than anything else. Wimmer isn't that good but he's Austrian and thus an Alpine hero figure. Hoedt is probably as good as Wimmer anyway. What a load of b*ll*cks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 For me its a victory if he doesnt end up at Liverpool. Fair enough but for me if we sell in this window then I'll start thinking we are run like a cheap B&B [emoji6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Fair enough but for me if we sell in this window then I'll start thinking we are run like a cheap B&B [emoji6] Seaside B&B ok, we're by the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Seaside B&B ok, we're by the sea. I think you need to learn to read [emoji6] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 I think you need to learn to read [emoji6] Probably, I'm an old man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Liverpool have agreed to sign Keita for £48m next summer. Probably relevant to their position on van Dijk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Obviously we are going to follow my 'January' strategy. See previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Liverpool have agreed to sign Keita for £48m next summer. Probably relevant to their position on van Dijk. Why would that be exactly. They're going to sell Coutinho to Barca, neither of those things changes their defensive situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Obviously we are going to follow my 'January' strategy. See previous post. Just like they followed your "yo-yo" strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Just like they followed your "yo-yo" strategy. :lol::lol: He's such an idiot, but the scary thing is he is a teacher :scared::scared: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dick Last Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 A mate of mine spoke to VvD in a bar in London on Saturday night. He said he seemed pretty chilled. Asked him if he would ever pull on a Saints shirt again. He said...to be honest I don't know. We will have to wait and see. He said to him about moving for more money and if so why Liverpool ? He replied that it is not about the money and never has been. Just his ambition. My mate got the feeling that he will not move this window and he will play for us again. Just passing on what I have been told so no shooting the messenger !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Messengers around here get hung, drawn and quartered. Not by me, I hasten to add. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Do people really think that we will sign another cb when VVD goes? We won't we've signed Hoedt to replace VVD. Stephens is the great academy hope and will play. Yoshida just signed a 3 year deal. We bought Bednarek. We have Gardos (unfortunately). We have a 25 man squad limit. VVD will go and has already been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 A mate of mine spoke to VvD in a bar in London on Saturday night. He said he seemed pretty chilled. Asked him if he would ever pull on a Saints shirt again. He said...to be honest I don't know. We will have to wait and see. He said to him about moving for more money and if so why Liverpool ? He replied that it is not about the money and never has been. Just his ambition. My mate got the feeling that he will not move this window and he will play for us again. Just passing on what I have been told so no shooting the messenger !! Cheers for passing on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Aye, ta. Still doesn't excuse unprofessional attitude and not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 A mate of mine spoke to VvD in a bar in London on Saturday night. He said he seemed pretty chilled. Asked him if he would ever pull on a Saints shirt again. He said...to be honest I don't know. We will have to wait and see. He said to him about moving for more money and if so why Liverpool ? He replied that it is not about the money and never has been. Just his ambition. My mate got the feeling that he will not move this window and he will play for us again. Just passing on what I have been told so no shooting the messenger !! Ah ambition, something that football fans do not seem to understand. Mind you if any of them were offered a job half a step up the ladder they'd be snapping it up and giving their notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 (edited) Aye, ta. Still doesn't excuse unprofessional attitude and not playing. Yes it does, he wants out to get to what any reasonable person can see is a bigger club. No doubt that club is prepared to offer more than reasonable compensation, which is what the transfer system is based upon, and yet we're stopping him from moving up the ladder just to save face because we've said nulle prosequi. He will eventually get his way, they always do and we'll look like a bunch of dîcks again. Edited 28 August, 2017 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Ah ambition, something that football fans do not seem to understand. Mind you if any of them were offered a job half a step up the ladder they'd be snapping it up and giving their notice. Yes I agree but probably not in Liverpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Of course he will leave at some point. Many on here will look stupid though if he is still here on 1st Sept having told us he is definitely off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Yes I agree but probably not in Liverpool Do they have jobs in Liverpool ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 A mate of mine spoke to VvD in a bar in London on Saturday night. He said he seemed pretty chilled. Asked him if he would ever pull on a Saints shirt again. He said...to be honest I don't know. We will have to wait and see. He said to him about moving for more money and if so why Liverpool ? He replied that it is not about the money and never has been. Just his ambition. My mate got the feeling that he will not move this window and he will play for us again. Just passing on what I have been told so no shooting the messenger !! Strange that his ambition in May 2016 was to sign on for 6 years as the highest paid Saints' player and that less than 12 months later he'd discovered a different ambition after being tapped-up. It probably still hasn't dawned on him that for the club, it's not about him but the much bigger issue that contracts are enforceable and that if tapping up wasn't against Premier League rules, clubs would have no stability over their playing squad. With three CBs being called up for international duty and excellent performances by ex-young England, Jack Stephens, it could be argued that we don't need Van Dijk but the fact remains that the club can't afford to sell him because of the wider consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Strange that his ambition in May 2016 was to sign on for 6 years as the highest paid Saints' player and that less than 12 months later he'd discovered a different ambition after being tapped-up. It probably still hasn't dawned on him that for the club, it's not about him but the much bigger issue that contracts are enforceable and that if tapping up wasn't against Premier League rules, clubs would have no stability over their playing squad. With three CBs being called up for international duty and excellent performances by ex-young England, Jack Stephens, it could be argued that we don't need Van Dijk but the fact remains that the club can't afford to sell him because of the wider consequences. Pfff tapping up is all I hear, tapping up is part of football, always has been, always will be. Have you never seen the documentary about Clough and Taylor going round to Dave McKay's house to persuade him to sign for Derby County? The only thing they worried about was that it was of a Sunday and thus illegal. Players have agents now and clubs approach agents, or family members to put their ideas to potential recruits. There is absolutely no difference between that and a parlay in Blackpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Why would that be exactly. They're going to sell Coutinho to Barca, neither of those things changes their defensive situation. Isn't Keita a central defender? If not then disregard my post! If so, then it's pretty obvious how it would have some relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 A mate of mine spoke to VvD in a bar in London on Saturday night. He said he seemed pretty chilled. Asked him if he would ever pull on a Saints shirt again. He said...to be honest I don't know. We will have to wait and see. He said to him about moving for more money and if so why Liverpool ? He replied that it is not about the money and never has been. Just his ambition. My mate got the feeling that he will not move this window and he will play for us again. Just passing on what I have been told so no shooting the messenger !! So if it's about ambition and not money, the question still stands - why Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Do they have jobs in Liverpool ? Well VVD thinks there is one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Isn't Keita a central defender? If not then disregard my post! If so, then it's pretty obvious how it would have some relevance. Keita is a CM, he's about 4ft tall and a featherweight to boot so no he isn't a CB. Think Ngolo Kanté'ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 So if it's about ambition and not money' date=' the question still stands - why Liverpool?[/quote']Why not? They are miles better than Saints and look like improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Do people really think that we will sign another cb when VVD goes? We won't we've signed Hoedt to replace VVD. Stephens is the great academy hope and will play. Yoshida just signed a 3 year deal. We bought Bednarek. We have Gardos (unfortunately). We have a 25 man squad limit. VVD will go and has already been replaced. I don't care how many times the club & supporters on here claim that Hoedt has been signed to play with VvD, I just don't buy it. Hopefully, we're both wrong, but I agree with you entirely. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Pfff tapping up is all I hear, tapping up is part of football, always has been, always will be. Have you never seen the documentary about Clough and Taylor going round to Dave McKay's house to persuade him to sign for Derby County? The only thing they worried about was that it was of a Sunday and thus illegal. Players have agents now and clubs approach agents, or family members to put their ideas to potential recruits. There is absolutely no difference between that and a parlay in Blackpool. Wasn't the reason Saints were so ****ed off was because not only did Liverpool tap him up but they leaked the fact that they met him to the press to try and engineer the move and lower the price? I remember reading something to that effect on the scousers forum. That's why they got a telling off from the FA, tapping up always happens but there is never usually any proof. There is tapping up and there is taking the ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 So if it's about ambition and not money' date=' the question still stands - why Liverpool?[/quote'] Are they not in the ECL ? Are we? Did they not reach the Europa League final 15 months ago ? Did we ? Do they not play in front of 60,000 every home game? Do we ? Really those who insist that Liverpool aren't a bigger club than Saints just make themselves look silly chauvinists.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 So if it's about ambition and not money' date=' the question still stands - why Liverpool?[/quote'] why not.? They have a fair bit of potential with this (very annoying) manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Wasn't the reason Saints were so ****ed off was because not only did Liverpool tap him up but they leaked the fact that they met him to the press to try and engineer the move and lower the price? I remember reading something to that effect on the scousers forum. That's why they got a telling off from the FA, tapping up always happens but there is never usually any proof. There is tapping up and there is taking the ****. Some would have you believe that the whole scenario is less clear cut than it is made out to be. Did the FA punish them ? Don't think so so there may be some sort of occult cicumstances. I believe someone actually claimed there were but perhaps it was just a WUM or even worse a Skate. I do seem to remember that the jist of it was that Virgil believed that he had permission to talk to them but that's probably false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Apparently Liverpool are willing to pay whatever it takes to sign Van Dijk now but are waiting for us to give them the green light. why didn't they just say that in the first place instead of being shady ****s and then leaking a load of crap to their pet journo's? They haven't exactly done much to ease the tension between the clubs. Would be fuming if he went there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 I don't care how many times the club & supporters on here claim that Hoedt has been signed to play with VvD, I just don't buy it. Hopefully, we're both wrong, but I agree with you entirely. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk guess you/we will find out in three days time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Liverpool outbid chelsea and City on wages and thats why its his desired location with agent getting better % as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 August, 2017 Share Posted 28 August, 2017 Yes it does, he wants out to get to what any reasonable person can see is a bigger club. No doubt that club is prepared to offer more than reasonable compensation, which is what the transfer system is based upon, and yet we're stopping him from moving up the ladder just to save face because we've said nulle prosequi. He will eventually get his way, they always do and we'll look like a bunch of dîcks again. But that's not why we are not selling. Its because 12 moths ago he seemingly did not have such ambition and agreed to a new contract with us for 6 years at an inflated salary and based on him being made captain. Its called honouring a contract based on the ambition of the player one year earlier. He could have gone to a bigger club 12 months ago, if he had that ambition, or at least he could have turned down the contract extension. We will only look like dicks if we now actually sell him, and if we sell him to Liverpool we will look like even bigger dicks. What we should be doing, based on where we are now, is agreeing to sell him next summer, and if the **** had any honour he would be agreeing to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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