OldNick Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 What if Liverpool are the only side that are interested? then Let him stay, let him stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChudSaint Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Stuck between a rock and a hard place. If reports are to be believed the situation is now beyond re-integration so maybe time to cut our losses and cash in. On the flip side, no way we can be seen to give into a tantrum and let him get his own way on this one. Feel for the club on this one... Ideally I'd want him to rot for the entire length of his contract but no chance that happening so make him sweat a little longer. No way we sell him this window, ignore him, isolate him and screw over whoever the most desperate is come January. By then I may not even care if it's the scousers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Did any of you really believe he would be here after September 1st? Only if VVD did a huge uturn was that ever going to happen...and that wasn't going to happen. From day one VVD was going....and the club knew it. Just Spouting bluster to save face. I expect they were hoping bids came in much sooner,barring Liverpool,so that it can be settled. He was always for sale. Clubs no we need him gone....leave it later,we will accept a poorer deal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Would VVD be the most hated footballer to return to its former club when we meet? For us, yeah. Nowhere near what people have got at other clubs though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 It's very clear now that whatever stance Saints take with VVD they won't win in opinion. IF the deal is to Chelsea for 70-80m and Christiansen and Remy come on loan as suggested on this thread then I think that's a very good deal. Having Hoedt in the door before we sell has strengthened our position. Of course VVD and Hoedt / Other is a lot stronger than Yoshida and Stephens but Hoedt plus Stepehens or Yoshida is better. Add Christiansen into that mix and actually it's a really decent group. That solution would then mean a well equipped squad with 70+m in the bank for next summer after 12 months identifying another new CB. In many ways I think I like that solution better than keeping him!! I don't like loan players. Never have, never will. If VVD goes, I would expect more than loan players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Would VVD be the most hated footballer to return to its former club when we meet? Ex-Ajax and now Feyenoord goalkeeper Kenneth Vermeer would suggest otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Would VVD be the most hated footballer to return to its former club when we meet? He will make Lovren look like a hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 I think it's very difficult to criticise Les & Ralph for the stance they've taken under extreme circumstances. I do believe (and I'm not itk) that they intended to keep VvD and intergrate him into the squad after 1st Sept and the close of the transfer window. However, the behaviour of VvD prompted by his agents has made this impossible, and so I think that selling him is now the only option. His alleged behaviour in returning from his injury last season gives an insight into what we would look forward to if we kept him. Why go through all the hassle of the summer and then cave in at the end? I think that's a pretty easy one to answer. It seems well known that Cedric and Ryan Bertrand will not happy about VvD getting a move and will have also agitated for a move themsleves. The club had to take a stand to try and move perception away from us being a selling club. Moving forward, I hope the club stay professional in public and stay quiet about what has happened, but I hope they brief the press off the record about VvD & his agents behaviour so that every gets to know what a d!ck he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Stuck between a rock and a hard place. If reports are to be believed the situation is now beyond re-integration so maybe time to cut our losses and cash in. On the flip side, no way we can be seen to give into a tantrum and let him get his own way on this one. Feel for the club on this one... Ideally I'd want him to rot for the entire length of his contract but no chance that happening so make him sweat a little longer. No way we sell him this window, ignore him, isolate him and screw over whoever the most desperate is come January. By then I may not even care if it's the scousers... I dislike van Dijk as much as the next man, but 'the Club' - I'm guessing this basically means Les Reed - invariably seems to to get involved in a protracted, acrimonious mess with lots of negative stories leaked to the press, when nearly all of our players and managers are sold. The Club gets its money in the end, even if it is a bit less than it might have been if things had been handled better. Surely it would be much better for the Club's reputaion if negotiations and discussions between administrators and players which take place behind closed doors were kept private. This would help rebuild th trust which no longer seems to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 I dislike van Dijk as much as the next man, but 'the Club' - I'm guessing this basically means Les Reed - invariably seems to to get involved in a protracted, acrimonious mess with lots of negative stories leaked to the press, when nearly all of our players and managers are sold. The Club gets its money in the end, even if it is a bit less than it might have been if things had been handled better. Surely it would be much better for the Club's reputaion if negotiations and discussions between administrators and players which take place behind closed doors were kept private. This would help rebuild th trust which no longer seems to exist. the train of thought is that we normally conduct our business in private. Maybe for incoming, we do. Outgoings, no chance. It is the same most times, plenty of 'leaks' in the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 I dislike van Dijk as much as the next man, but 'the Club' - I'm guessing this basically means Les Reed - invariably seems to to get involved in a protracted, acrimonious mess with lots of negative stories leaked to the press, when nearly all of our players and managers are sold. The Club gets its money in the end, even if it is a bit less than it might have been if things had been handled better. Surely it would be much better for the Club's reputaion if negotiations and discussions between administrators and players which take place behind closed doors were kept private. This would help rebuild th trust which no longer seems to exist. Yes if only the club had kept private VvD's urgent desire to play for Jurgen Klopp, not to mention their awful decision to release his statement about requesting a transfer. How could they have been so naive. I am sure that had the club quietly off-loaded our captain in May to the dippers for an "undisclosed fee" you would have been perfectly fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonb Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 the train of thought is that we normally conduct our business in private. Maybe for incoming, we do. Outgoings, no chance. It is the same most times, plenty of 'leaks' in the press. Yeah if everyone played by the rules. Liverpool are terrible at conducting their business with their multiple press briefings and ex-players getting involved. Saints have to answer back when dealing with these c*ckroach's. You would think Liverpool would change tactics as they mess up so many transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Here's an idea to shut up the nasty cynic fraternity... The next time you get told something that's not in the public domain and is about to break in the coming hours/days, send a private message (or email ) to one of the mods or admins 'in confidence'. Then, when the news breaks the aforementioned mod/admin can confirm that you knew beforehand. You might say that's a bit of a faff, but it's actually quite a simple and quick step that a genuine 'ITKer' could do in order to corroborate their credibility. Just an idea. Of they could just send a post to an internet forum sharing what they know when they know it? Surely the whole point of ITKery is to share what you know with those who aren't ITK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Yes if only the club had kept private VvD's urgent desire to play for Jurgen Klopp, not to mention their awful decision to release his statement about requesting a transfer. How could they have been so naive. I am sure that had the club quietly off-loaded our captain in May to the dippers for an "undisclosed fee" you would have been perfectly fine with that. That was the way we used to conduct business transactions -discretely- before and, yes, it was better. The Club now is more like a soap opera, with every player and manager who is sold cast as the evil villain, and Les Reed as the hard done by hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Yeah if everyone played by the rules. Liverpool are terrible at conducting their business with their multiple press briefings and ex-players getting involved. Saints have to answer back when dealing with these c*ckroach's. You would think Liverpool would change tactics as they mess up so many transfers. not just liverpool though, usually when we sell a good player, usually coupled with a negative story about said player in the press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 (edited) Of they could just send a post to an internet forum sharing what they know when they know it? Surely the whole point of ITKery is to share what you know with those who aren't ITK?It was only a suggestion. Other notions are available. No big deal. My next mission is world peace. Should be a breeze compared with attempting to seek harmony on here Edited 26 August, 2017 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 It was only a suggestion. Other notions are available. No big deal. My next mission is world peace. Small steps trousers, build yourself up to world peace. Start with trying to get a peace treaty between me and Turkish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 If van Dijk goes now to Chelsea or better still, somewhere abroad, I could just about live with that if we get a big price and spend most of it on improving the squad. If he goes to Liverpool I'm not sure that I could stomach it. Have already bought my season ticket so of course will continue to go , but maybe this would be my last season. I don't know ..... I've been watching football for about 45 years so it's a big part of my life. But the cynicism, greed and straightforward lying that now seems to be prevalent in football at this level makes me sick. Greedy players and agents and bloody tv will eventually kill the golden goose as more and more fans become disenchanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 not just liverpool though, usually when we sell a good player, usually coupled with a negative story about said player in the press Which players did you have in mind? Mane, Lambert, Ox, Shaw, Chambers, Toby, the Right back who's name I can't remember, JRod? Or Lovren & Lallana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Small steps trousers, build yourself up to world peace. Start with trying to get a peace treaty between me and Turkish.I think you love eachother really. The spikey banter is merely a facade masking your mutual passion and devotion. Just a hunch P.s. apologies for going off topic folks. It's contagious on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 That was the way we used to conduct business transactions -discretely- before and, yes, it was better. The Club now is more like a soap opera, with every player and manager who is sold cast as the evil villain, and Les Reed as the hard done by hero. Did you read what you wrote? It was better when the club conducted its business discreetly? Where exactly has the club been indiscreet? It wasn't the club that started discussions with Liverpool. It wasn't the club that put out a public transfer request. But once those actions had happened the club responded by reporting the illegal approach and by restating that VVD is not for sale. What would you have had them do differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 where is it reported that this Christiensen and Remy are coming on loan? Who knows but I thought Remy was going to Las Palmas anyway. Christensen is probably just some fantasy football obsession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 I think it's very difficult to criticise Les & Ralph for the stance they've taken under extreme circumstances. I do believe (and I'm not itk) that they intended to keep VvD and intergrate him into the squad after 1st Sept and the close of the transfer window. However, the behaviour of VvD prompted by his agents has made this impossible, and so I think that selling him is now the only option. His alleged behaviour in returning from his injury last season gives an insight into what we would look forward to if we kept him. I think that's a pretty easy one to answer. It seems well known that Cedric and Ryan Bertrand will not happy about VvD getting a move and will have also agitated for a move themsleves. The club had to take a stand to try and move perception away from us being a selling club. Moving forward, I hope the club stay professional in public and stay quiet about what has happened, but I hope they brief the press off the record about VvD & his agents behaviour so that every gets to know what a d!ck he has been. This... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 I dislike van Dijk as much as the next man, but 'the Club' - I'm guessing this basically means Les Reed - invariably seems to to get involved in a protracted, acrimonious mess with lots of negative stories leaked to the press, when nearly all of our players and managers are sold. The Club gets its money in the end, even if it is a bit less than it might have been if things had been handled better. Surely it would be much better for the Club's reputaion if negotiations and discussions between administrators and players which take place behind closed doors were kept private. This would help rebuild th trust which no longer seems to exist.What's had been leaked to the press? Nothing, nobody knows anything, everybody is guessing, putting two and two together and coming up with five. The club have been consistent throughout this whole sorry saga, i can't actually remember Les Reed saying anything about it in public, Ralph yes, but not Les. There are a few supposed ITK posters here who have posted snippets, very few of which can be taken as gospel, so essentially all the business is being conducted discreetly and properly within the club. Leaks have not come from the club, far too many people believing what they read on social media and gutter press. VvD may well end up going in the next couple of days, but i really don't think that the club have handled this badly at all, in fact quite the opposite. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Krueger has had an absolute Hooiveld if we do end up selling him. Why go through all the hassle of the summer and then cave in at the end? Would literally be no benefit to Saints. Could just have sold in May and moved on, with probably a different transfer budget to what we had. Bednarek an increasingly bewildering signing were VVD to go. Kruger said in his most recent interview that he couldn't guarantee VVD wouldn't be sold if a very large bid was made. His honesty is refreshing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Today's sun reckon we have told Chelsea he's not for sale ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 not just liverpool though, usually when we sell a good player, usually coupled with a negative story about said player in the pressSo where was Jayrod rubbish then or doesnt he qualify as good? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Today's sun reckon we have told Chelsea he's not for sale ? We told everybody he's not for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djg Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 I shoved money on him staying a couple of weeks back when it looked like the club would stand firm, so now he's bound to go.... Like most I could just about accept him going to Chelsea or abroad but why the hell are we going to cave in to the scousers yet again. After the way they've acted he we should refuse point blank to do business with them. Sky bet have him odds on to go there now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI Saint Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 the Right back who's name I can't remember Clyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Like most I could just about accept him going to Chelsea or abroad but why the hell are we going to cave in to the scousers yet again. Aren't you assuming a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 So where was Jayrod rubbish then or doesnt he qualify as good? Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk There was plenty on Jay last season. We were often told about his strops and reactions to being dropped + the leaks about him supposedly all ready to leave for Spurs before his injury. softly, softly, catchee monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 There was plenty on Jay last season. We were often told about his strops and reactions to being dropped + the leaks about him supposedly all ready to leave for Spurs before his injury. softly, softly, catchee monkey We weren't told about them. You could see the strops and unhappiness as being subbed clear as day on the match day streams, but don't let that cloud your judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 There was plenty on Jay last season. We were often told about his strops and reactions to being dropped + the leaks about him supposedly all ready to leave for Spurs before his injury. softly, softly, catchee monkeyMainly from his dad not the club but dont let facts get in the way. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 There was plenty on Jay last season. We were often told about his strops and reactions to being dropped + the leaks about him supposedly all ready to leave for Spurs before his injury. softly, softly, catchee monkey Sneaky of the club to get Jay's old man and brother to do all that tweeting as well. Brilliant PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Mainly from his dad not the club but dont let facts get in the way. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk His dad told us Jay was going to join Spurs before his injury? My bad thought that came from one of our many ITKs that seem to come n go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 His dad told us Jay was going to join Spurs before his injury? My bad thought that came from one of our many ITKs that seem to come n goHe was going to join SPurs and jump ship. I know that as a work contact, socialised with him and he was open that he was following Poch to Spurs. It was all agreed as far as I recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 As a deal to bring kane to us iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 The aerial threat today shows why we need to get vvd to accept he has to stay and play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 He won't be staying Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 He will be staying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 He won't be staying Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk You in the know or you just trying to sound clever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 It doesn't matter which one you get treated the same regardless Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 It doesn't matter which one you get treated the same regardless Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Are we still in for Ings and Barkley, Dazza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 He won't be staying Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk He will be staying No one knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 No one knows Dont think Virgil knows either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Dont think Virgil knows either. I reckon you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behind Enemy Lines Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 If he had took his head out of his arse, got on with his job, we'd be top of the league right now. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 If he had took his head out of his arse, got on with his job, we'd be top of the league right now. IMHO. Not sure what he'd have brought to us in the two 0-0's to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 26 August, 2017 Share Posted 26 August, 2017 Not sure what he'd have brought to us in the two 0-0's to be honest. Probably goals. He was often our biggest goal threat last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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