RIP Diego Maradona

[Micky]

Absolutely brilliant player.  Gone far too soon.  Off to shake hands with the guy that put that one past Shilton. RIP.

[SaintsLoyal]

nah hes a cheat

[BILLYDO]

Didn’t like him but he was a genius with the ball. 

[waylander]

Cheating argie c#nt.

But his second goal was in that game was class

[Lord Duckhunter]

Best player in my lifetime, absolute genius. What he did with Argentina in 86 & 90 amazing, same with Napoli. 
 

The English attitude towards hand of god is pathetic imo. Jack Charlton committed just a blatant a handball in ‘66 and nobody says a thing. Every single English player would have done the same, none of them would have asked the ref to disallow it and it’s down to the officials 100%. Everyone that plays the game cheats. 

Edited 25 November, 2020 by Lord Duckhunter

[Hatch]

won the World Cup on his own in 1986.   Amazing player,

 

Dirty little cunt though

[East Kent Saint]

19 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Best player in my lifetime, absolute genius. What he did with Argentina in 86 & 90 amazing, same with Napoli. 
 

The English attitude towards hand of god is pathetic imo. Jack Charlton committed just a blatant a handball in ‘66 and nobody says a thing. Every single English player would have done the same, none of them would have asked the ref to disallow it and it’s down to the officials 100%. Everyone that plays the game cheats. 

Replay today shows the whole of the England team complaining to the the ref , not only did he cheat (in the heat of the moment) but tried to justify it ( normal for South American players , he said !) On a good day he was excellent and came from a slum upbringing . Later in Italy used drugs , dodged taxes etc and faded away . Another wasted talent like G Best etc . You would think youngsters of today would learn but Grealish , Greenwood etc don't seem to get it .

[bpsaint]

Hand of god was “revenge” for the falklands apparently.

Fuck him, fat little cheating cokehead.

[Lord Duckhunter]

35 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Replay today shows the whole of the England team complaining to the the ref , not only did he cheat (in the heat of the moment) but tried to justify it ( normal for South American players , he said !) On a good day he was excellent and came from a slum upbringing . Later in Italy used drugs , dodged taxes etc and faded away . Another wasted talent like G Best etc . You would think youngsters of today would learn but Grealish , Greenwood etc don't seem to get it .

 

Wasted talent? 
 

Interesting definition seeing as he won The World Cup, was also a runner up. Won the  Uefa Cup, Serie A twice as well as Spanish cup & super cup .  Is generally believed to be one of the greatest players to ever kick a ball, not just by most supporters of the era, but by people like Pele himself. If that’s wasted, I dread to think what you consider fulfilling their talent. 

As for  “on a good day, he was excellent “ , bit like writing “Lennon & McCartney wrote the odd decent tune”. Or Don Bradman made a few runs once he played himself in. 
 

Every single England player complaining to the ref would have done the exact same thing and every single England fan still crying about it would have cheered the goal. 

Edited 25 November, 2020 by Lord Duckhunter

[Toadhall Saint]

57 minutes ago, Hatch said:

won the World Cup on his own in 1986.   Amazing player,

 

Dirty little cunt though

Yep and yep

[Tamesaint]

19 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Yep and yep

...and yep again. 

[John Boy Saint]

9 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

...and yep again. 

It’s a yep and yep from me too.

[Saint Keef]

VAR was about 32 years too late on that one.  Obviously revered in Argentina but I can't help thinking that for what seems like many years he has just been a complete embarrassment.

[East Kent Saint]

51 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

Wasted talent? 
 

Interesting definition seeing as he won The World Cup, was also a runner up. Won the  Uefa Cup, Serie A twice as well as Spanish cup & super cup .  Is generally believed to be one of the greatest players to ever kick a ball, not just by most supporters of the era, but by people like Pele himself. If that’s wasted, I dread to think what you consider fulfilling their talent. 

As for  “on a good day, he was excellent “ , bit like writing “Lennon & McCartney wrote the odd decent tune”. Or Don Bradman made a few runs once he played himself in. 
 

Every single England player complaining to the ref would have done the exact same thing and every single England fan still crying about it would have cheered the goal. 

Don’t agree with England player bit , I ‘m not suggesting he wasn’t a great player but the drugs , dodgy connections , health decline , shooting incidents etc lost any respect . 

[Convict Colony]

quality quality player and the stories from his time in Naples are awesome, probably the last of the superstar players with personality.

[Convict Colony]

Just now, East Kent Saint said:

Don’t agree with England player bit , I ‘m not suggesting he wasn’t a great player but the drugs , dodgy connections , health decline , shooting incidents etc lost any respect . 

Can our 2 posts be anymore opposite hahaha

[Saint Keef]

I have just watched youtube - Maradona's best 10 goals. Pretty good, but not quite up to the standard of Le Tiss!!!!

[Lord Duckhunter]

41 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Don’t agree with England player bit 

So you think England players didn’t cheat, that the players in that 11 wouldn’t have done exactly the same thing. You’re deluded man, what do you think they are Corinthian Causals calling fouls upon themselves. Jack Charlton did it in a WC semi final, but the ref spotted that. Are you judging players morals on the ability of the ref to spot the infringement.

The English have a warped attitude to cheating, always have. I played amateur football abroad in the early 80’s in a league containing mainly Hispanic teams. They dived , conned the ref, were sneaky bastards,  and argued every decision. We played “fairly”, but gave them a bit of clog, left our foot in and generally played like “men”. We hated their cheating, but here’s the thing, they hated ours. We considered roughing them up as part of the game, they considered exaggerating fouls & diving as part of it. Neither is right, one is not more moral than the other just because it’s more manly , it’s all a form of cheating. 
 

 If Terry Butcher deliberately went through the back of Maradona & left something on him, is that not cheating in the same way handling the ball is.  

Edited 25 November, 2020 by Lord Duckhunter

[East Kent Saint]

38 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Can our 2 posts be anymore opposite hahaha

I think “the hand of god” forever clouded my opinion !

[Pickles]

Was a cheat at times and for all intents and purposes just in general over the years not the best person overall.

However putting that aside,still a loss to the football world and especially my thoughts go out to his kids.Never easy losing a parent regardless how old you may be.

Edited 25 November, 2020 by Pickles

[East Kent Saint]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

So you think England players didn’t cheat, that the players in that 11 wouldn’t have done exactly the same thing. You’re deluded man, what do you think they are Corinthian Causals calling fouls upon themselves. Jack Charlton did it in a WC semi final, but the ref spotted that. Are you judging players morals on the ability of the ref to spot the infringement.

The English have a warped attitude to cheating, always have. I played amateur football abroad in the early 80’s in a league containing mainly Hispanic teams. They dived , conned the ref, were sneaky bastards,  and argued every decision. We played “fairly”, but gave them a bit of clog, left our foot in and generally played like “men”. We hated their cheating, but here’s the thing, they hated ours. We considered roughing them up as part of the game, they considered exaggerating fouls & diving as part of it. Neither is right, one is not more moral than the other, it’s all a form of cheating. 
 

 If Terry Butcher deliberately went through the back of Maradona & left something on him, is that not cheating in the same way handling the ball is.  

I remember G Hurst admitting a hand of god goal when West Ham won 6-2 years ago ! I remember the outrage when South American teams in the world club matches kicked our teams off the pitch and European cup matches with the spitting and rolling over and over when tackled. And the late/ off the ball challenges etc . Also Gatusso with his bad tackles and his strategic “sack of spuds” collapses to win a foul to break up an attack .I think Salah has modelled his penalty winning collapses on those .

[ecuk268]

Even with his hand in the air, how did Maradona at 5ft 5in outjump Shilton at 6ft?

[ant]

Well worth watching the Asif Kapadia documentary on Maradona.

Kapadia also directed the stunning Senna documentary; both films shine a very different (more humane) light on each great, versus the media of their time.

Yes, Maradona made many mistakes. Whilst very, very gifted he was human to a fault - and horrendously exploited whilst in Italy.

Not to completely ignore his misdemeanours, of course... Just that - as ever - it's all a little more complicated than the 'surface level' viewpoint.

RIP.

Edited 25 November, 2020 by ant

[whelk]

Ahh two threads about him

posted this in Lounge but worth listening to Lineker who wasn’t a bad player himself.

 

[Hayling Saint]

Great Tribute From Gary Lineker

[redandwhite82]

good riddance

[Pedantic Pete]

In my opinion the best player of my lifetime by about a million miles. In my mind only Pele challenges him as the greatest of all time, but Pele was just before my time.

Maradonna may have cheated (quite a bit), but he never had the protection (or the playing surfaces) that Messi etc get now. A tackle round the throat was considered only borderline then but the guy was so strong and the ball stuck to him like it was glued to his foot.

We never would have won that quarter final, even without the hand of God, he was just too good for us. As much as that goal pissed me off, 4 minutes later you couldn't help applauding the brilliance of the guy.

It shouldn't really matter to me that he died today, He wasn't likely to do anything on the footy field again (like he hasn't for the last nearly 30 years) but I do remember how I felt watching him play- although I never saw him in the flesh, I was fortunate to watch him in games like the semi final against Belgium, on TV live and despite loathing him for the hand of god, you had to admire what a brilliant footballer he could be! So him dying does make me sad.

Flawed personality or not, R.I.P. mate, you gave me some happy memories!

 

  

 

[influx]

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Edited 26 November, 2020 by influx

[influx]

6 hours ago, East Kent Saint said:

Replay today shows the whole of the England team complaining to the the ref , not only did he cheat (in the heat of the moment) but tried to justify it ( normal for South American players , he said !) On a good day he was excellent and came from a slum upbringing . Later in Italy used drugs , dodged taxes etc and faded away . Another wasted talent like G Best etc . You would think youngsters of today would learn but Grealish , Greenwood etc don't seem to get it .

wasted talent?  honestly.     

[Crab Lungs]

I cannot believe the vitriol on this thread.

[Fan The Flames]

7 hours ago, redandwhite82 said:

good riddance

Classy

[egg]

2 hours ago, Crab Lungs said:

I cannot believe the vitriol on this thread.

Yep. Pathetic. Ditto the other thread. The fellas died, have a bit of class 

[eurosaint]

Incredibly talented footballer but an equally flawed character !

The 'hand of God' incident should not define him as many, many other footballers have done similar (Thierry Henry v Ireland?).

Right now we have players diving and cheating in almost every PL match (Grealish, Salah etc..etc..) so the only thing that made him different was the importance of the fixture and the fact that it was against England !

RIP Diego Maradonna

[wild-saint]

8 hours ago, influx said:

wasted talent?  honestly.     

Brilliant but flawed genius. The irony of the comment Wasted Talent made me chuckle.

[East Kent Saint]

After listening to english players who played against him and reading some of the articles about his football career I have to admit that he was an extremely talented footballer whose ball control was even better than Messi's.

He achieved this by by practicing a skill until he mastered it etc

R.I.P.

[Saint Keef]

Apparently - so I read, yesterday was also the 15th anniversary of George Best's passing. Coincidence. Both genius footballers, and both dying too early having succumbed to the slippery slope of drink and in Maradona's case, drink and drug addiction.  

[LGTL]

The one player who Im truly gutted I never got to see play. He looked an utter genius and his stories from Naples are incredible. 

[Convict Colony]

4 hours ago, Saint Keef said:

Apparently - so I read, yesterday was also the 15th anniversary of George Best's passing. Coincidence. Both genius footballers, and both dying too early having succumbed to the slippery slope of drink and in Maradona's case, drink and drug addiction.  

We should follow Pele's viagra endorsement

[Saint Kent]

So
Farewell Diego
As you pass through 
The Pearly Gates
You can expect 
A sharp clip
Round the lughole
From The Hand of God

EJ Throbbed

[Charlie Wayman]

Argentina in for a very rough time on the evidence of the mob gathering in Buenos Aires yesterday for his funeral. 60 far too young to leave the stage. 

[mrfahaji]

On 26/11/2020 at 06:30, Crab Lungs said:

I cannot believe the vitriol on this thread.

Me neither, a pretty shocking read to be honest!

Probably the greatest player the world has ever seen. A bit before my time to properly judge but you only have to look at clips of him playing and realise that he could do things no-one else could (eg what Lineker talks about in that video). Maybe not the greatest 'professional footballer' in the sense that many of his years were blighted by issues and if he had coupled his talent with more professionalism and commitment he would have done more, but even despite that he is revered for clubs (Boca/Napoli) and country for what he did achieve. Not bad going really. Imagine being a 'wasted talent' yet still being the greatest ever, ha.

[OldNick]

Apparently the PL are doing a minutes silence for him before all the matches. I wont be standing in reverence. Obviously a fantastic player but ...

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, OldNick said:

Apparently the PL are doing a minutes silence for him before all the matches. I wont be standing in reverence. Obviously a fantastic player but ...

I think we should all hold one clenched fist in the air.

[Turkish]

#cokeheadlivesmatter

[cloggy saint]

On 25/11/2020 at 21:08, ecuk268 said:

Even with his hand in the air, how did Maradona at 5ft 5in outjump Shilton at 6ft?

Because in '86 Shilton was about as mobile as a sack of spuds. In '90 I'd have selected the spuds before Shilton.

[skintsaint]

On 26/11/2020 at 05:08, ecuk268 said:

Even with his hand in the air, how did Maradona at 5ft 5in outjump Shilton at 6ft?

Wasnt a straight vertical jump by Shilton...he was coming in from a few feet away. Maradona did leap like a Salmon though.

[Matthew Le God]

For all of those calling him a cheat...

The handball goal was clearly cheating but what it is overlooked (or fans unaware of) by so many England fans what England did to him in that game!

Multiple yellow and red card offences by England on Maradona.

He cheated but England were hardly innocent of attempting to cheat themselves!

 

Edited 28 November, 2020 by Matthew Le God

[Lord Duckhunter]

54 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

For all of those calling him a cheat...

The handball goal was clearly cheating but what it is overlooked (or fans unaware of) by so many England fans what England did to him in that game!

Multiple yellow and red card offences by England on Maradona.

He cheated but England were hardly innocent of attempting to cheat themselves!

 

Exactly .

England’s pathetic 34 year whinge is summed up by Terry Butcher, who still can’t get over it. A few years back I saw an interview with him in which he called Maradona all the names under the sun for cheating. Going on to discuss the second goal, he admitted that it was genius, but complained that Peter Reid or someone should have taken him out on the half way line. The irony of moaning about Maradona cheating and then moaning that the English players didn’t cheat 4 mins later , seemed lost on him. 

[East Kent Saint]

2 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Wasnt a straight vertical jump by Shilton...he was coming in from a few feet away. Maradona did leap like a Salmon though.

Shilton was trying to punch the ball and would have if Maradona hadn't raised his hands (both) above his head and deflected the ball over Shilton's outstretched arm .

[Lets B Avenue]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Exactly .

England’s pathetic 34 year whinge is summed up by Terry Butcher, who still can’t get over it. A few years back I saw an interview with him in which he called Maradona all the names under the sun for cheating. Going on to discuss the second goal, he admitted that it was genius, but complained that Peter Reid or someone should have taken him out on the half way line. The irony of moaning about Maradona cheating and then moaning that the English players didn’t cheat 4 mins later , seemed lost on him. 

Also, there's a school of thought that the 2nd was actually a Butcher OG. You can't tell either way from the TV pictures.