Gavin Bazunu

[bpsaint]

17 hours ago, pingpong said:

For me, our top 8 GK of my lifetime would be:

1. Niemi

2. Shilton

3. Flowers

4. Maik Taylor

5. Boruc

6. Baz

7. Forster

8. Jones

The rest have all been much of a much. Baz only makes top 8 because of his exceptional distribution and is the best of the modern style of keepers.

Taylor above Boruc and Baz above Jonah is hilarious.

[S-Clarke]

17 hours ago, pingpong said:

For me, our top 8 GK of my lifetime would be:

1. Niemi

2. Shilton

3. Flowers

4. Maik Taylor

5. Boruc

6. Baz

7. Forster

8. Jones

The rest have all been much of a much. Baz only makes top 8 because of his exceptional distribution and is the best of the modern style of keepers.

What on earth is that?

Where is McCarthy, Ramsdale, Kelvin Davis? Why is Bazunu even in the list?

[Disco Stu]

17 hours ago, pingpong said:

For me, our top 8 GK of my lifetime would be:

1. Niemi

2. Shilton

3. Flowers

4. Maik Taylor

5. Boruc

6. Baz

7. Forster

8. Jones

The rest have all been much of a much. Baz only makes top 8 because of his exceptional distribution and is the best of the modern style of keepers.

Is this one of the worst takes in forum history? 😂

[Lord Duckhunter]

To be fair to Pingpong, he has got a point. Jones is 58, so it is debatable whether he’s better than Baz. Personally, I think he is, but can understand people who think Baz’s distribution may just give him the edge. 

[HKsaint]

18 hours ago, pingpong said:

For me, our top 8 GK of my lifetime would be:

1. Niemi

2. Shilton

3. Flowers

4. Maik Taylor

5. Boruc

6. Baz

7. Forster

8. Jones

The rest have all been much of a much. Baz only makes top 8 because of his exceptional distribution and is the best of the modern style of keepers.

May I know which team you are supporting, ping pong?

[West Dean FC Legend]

I used to like Peter Wells. I remember posting this on a Saints Forum years ago - so long ago I can't even remember which one it was - and a chap replied really, really angrily saying he was the worst goalie Saints had ever had and I was an idiot.

He wasn't world-class but he wasn't that bad either.

[sledger]

the wrongly disallowed millwall goal on saturday was a repeat of the qpr goal.Bazuna is to small,lacks bravery,his footwork is terrible and mainly is a poor keeper.If we hadnt paid a fortune for him he would have been binned off long ago,stealing a living at this level.

[Bakovnetski]

19 hours ago, pingpong said:

For me, our top 8 GK of my lifetime would be:

1. Niemi

2. Shilton

3. Flowers

4. Maik Taylor

5. Boruc

6. Baz

7. Forster

8. Jones

The rest have all been much of a much. Baz only makes top 8 because of his exceptional distribution and is the best of the modern style of keepers.

So Bruce Grobbelaar and John Burridge dont make that list? Both after Shilton.

Edited Tuesday at 15:10 by Bakovnetski

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

All the Championship games Bazunu and McCarthy have played for Saints. The facts are freely avaliable on transfermarkt. You can check them yourself if you want. 

Whether you think someone is superb or terrible has no bearing on the facts, I'm afraid.

 

Bazunu = 1.9 points per game/ 87 points over a season

McCarthy = 1.0 points per game/ 46 points over a season

Obviously, even though McCarthy has been here all the time Bazunu has, he hasn't played as many games because managers want to win.

Bazunu W29 D12 L11 

McCarthy W3 D3 L6

That data is skewed by a much smaller dataset of games and the 5-0 at Leicester skews that proportionally. So not just my opinion I’m afraid. Alex played more games under Still than Bazunu after Gavin got canned post-Hull debacle.

By the way, they’re both crap and we are debating whether a cow pat or dog shit is worse. WTF Martin and Rasmus were doing offering McCarthy a 2-year contract after Wembley I have no idea. Rasmus has the double distinction of signing of Bazunu for £10m plus even if it was Shields’s bonkers idea. We’ve had some right twats running the club.

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, Bakovnetski said:

So Bruce Grobbelaar and John Burridge dont make that list?

Burridge ought to be - old but good, if mad as a box of frogs. 

Brucie had some brilliant nights - Newcastle home he kept us in it until the late assault on their goal at the Archers End. But there’s always that ‘did he let one in at Coventry?’. Dave Merrington had a view I would say and Beasant didn’t let him down, huge role in keeping us up.

Edited Tuesday at 15:14 by Gloucester Saint

[sledger]

Grobbelaar shouldnt be on any list,proven bent as f+ck,an insult to the profession.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Another Baz special. Should he have done better, all I know is their keeper saved 2 pretty much identical efforts. No doubt they were stoppable & Baz was unlucky again.

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

Another Baz special. Should he have done better, all I know is their keeper saved 2 pretty much identical efforts. No doubt they were stoppable & Baz was unlucky again.

Personally I wouldn't expect my keeper to save that.

Their keeper also let in two goals which were basic saves. 

[saintant]

Still has major problem with positioning. Again he's left a big gap to his left and can't reach the shot. He'd save far more if he understood angles.

[bugenhagen]

At half time, I thought their keeper was poor, and maybe I'd rather have Baz, but he already saved two similar shots from Leo to the one Baz let in. I should have known better...

I just can't stand seeing him being slightly out of position before a shot comes, the slow reaction even on shots that hits the post, or goes outside. 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by bugenhagen
Typo

[washsaint]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Another Baz special. Should he have done better, all I know is their keeper saved 2 pretty much identical efforts. No doubt they were stoppable & Baz was unlucky again.

WHat an absolute bloody wally.  No keeper is saving that Gray effort.

Bazunu played very well today.  

[bugenhagen]

10 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Personally I wouldn't expect my keeper to save that.

Their keeper also let in two goals which were basic saves. 

Neither would I, when my keeper is Baz...

Edited 20 hours ago by bugenhagen

[BarberSaint]

From where I was, I agree no-one was saving Gray's shot. Might change my mind once I see it on the telly, however.

 

Brum were like most teams (didn't see Millwall) in this league: functional and organised. You can see why the league is so tight: most teams seem much of a muchness.

[Nordic Saint]

2 hours ago, washsaint said:

WHat an absolute bloody wally.  No keeper is saving that Gray effort.

Bazunu played very well today.  

He certainly did. He made 4 great saves. 

[S-Clarke]

I can't stand Bazunu, but you're being incredibly harsh if you're knit picking on Gray's goal today. Just leave that one there.

The goal James Beadle let in from Armstrong was 10x worse.

[Harry_SFC]

39 minutes ago, BarberSaint said:

From where I was, I agree no-one was saving Gray's shot. Might change my mind once I see it on the telly, however.

 

Brum were like most teams (didn't see Millwall) in this league: functional and organised. You can see why the league is so tight: most teams seem much of a muchness.

You won't. 

[ErwinK1961]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Another Baz special. Should he have done better, all I know is their keeper saved 2 pretty much identical efforts. No doubt they were stoppable & Baz was unlucky again.

Terrible take.

[Saint Marky]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

I can't stand Bazunu, but you're being incredibly harsh if you're knit picking on Gray's goal today. Just leave that one there.

The goal James Beadle let in from Armstrong was 10x worse.

Allegedly James Beadle’s goalkeeping coach was his uncle, the late Jeremy Beadle, so you could argue he had a very small hand in their defeat today….. I’ll get my coat….

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I can't stand Bazunu, but you're being incredibly harsh if you're knit picking on Gray's goal today. Just leave that one there.

The goal James Beadle let in from Armstrong was 10x worse.

Don’t think Beadle did well on our third either. For Gray’s goal, that was Peter Lorimer circa 1973. No chance for any goalkeeper with that.

[Crab Lungs]

He’s still diving four seconds after the ball has whistled past him.

He has zero command over his penalty area which leaves the centre halves having to clear anything and everything catchable for a normal goalkeeper.

He will cost us a lot more points this season. Yes, today he didn’t do a lot wrong today but if you’ve been watching him this season you’ll have seen today his reactions are so slow and the pressure on CBs to mop up anything on the air will tell at further points in the season. 

Please, please… just play McCarthy. Or put Aribo in goal - at least he moves a little faster.

[The Kraken]

5 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Personally I wouldn't expect my keeper to save that.

Their keeper also let in two goals which were basic saves. 

 

5 hours ago, washsaint said:

WHat an absolute bloody wally.  No keeper is saving that Gray effort.

Bazunu played very well today.  

 

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I can't stand Bazunu, but you're being incredibly harsh if you're knit picking on Gray's goal today. Just leave that one there.

The goal James Beadle let in from Armstrong was 10x worse.

 

1 hour ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Terrible take.

I only saw it in the telly, it looked like a decent shot to me, but Baz got nowhere near it and their keeper saved a very similar one from Leo.

Jo Tessem was massively scathing about the performance of Bazunu for the shot. He said a decent keeper saves it. I’d probably take his opinion a little bit higher than others.

[Dark Munster]

3 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I can't stand Bazunu, but you're being incredibly harsh if you're knit picking on Gray's goal today. Just leave that one there.

The goal James Beadle let in from Armstrong was 10x worse.

Sorry, couldn't resist nitpicking. 😉

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 hours ago, washsaint said:

No keeper is saving that Gray effort.

Here we go again. Baz beaten by an absolute un saveable shot. He truly is the unlikeliest keeper to ever don the gloves. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[saintwbu]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Here we go again. Baz beaten by an absolute un saveable shot. He truly is the unlikeliest keeper to ever don the gloves. 

Feels weird to be picking holes in what was a very good goal. Not sure many goals are truly ‘unsaveable’, keepers would probably find fault in almost all goals they concede - today was a brilliant goal, no one would look for any fault if it wasn’t Bazunu in goal. We’re in this weird zone now of desperately trying to find issue in literally every goal he concedes - reality is he’s pulled off great save(s) in almost every game under Eckert, which is improvement. 

[Raging Bull]

18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Here we go again. Baz beaten by an absolute un saveable shot. He truly is the unlikeliest keeper to ever don the gloves. 

Pony. I’m no fan of crisp packet hands but you’re completely wrong on this one. I was sat looking inline and at the angle Gray scored it from. Nobody’s stopping that and Baz wasn’t exactly slow to move either. It curved from outside the post back in. 

[Oh no Mick Mills]

6 minutes ago, Raging Bull said:

Pony. I’m no fan of crisp packet hands but you’re completely wrong on this one. I was sat looking inline and at the angle Gray scored it from. Nobody’s stopping that and Baz wasn’t exactly slow to move either. It curved from outside the post back in. 

Yep, agreed. 

No one would be commenting about this if Ramsdale had been in goal. 

As for comparing Grays shot to Scienza's effort which was saved .. they were chalk and cheese. 

Gray's was hit with so much more pace.

If I dare fault Scienza i'd say his shots lack pace. 

[Nordic Saint]

1 hour ago, Crab Lungs said:

 

Please, please… just play McCarthy. Or put Aribo in goal - at least he moves a little faster.

You must really enjoy watching us lose games. With McCarthy in goal, we have won just 1 regular season game at St Mary's in the last FOUR YEARS, and that was 1½ years ago. That's how bad he is. When Bazunu plays we usually win. 

[warsash saint]

Only on Saintsweb do we get clowns still moaning about the keeper that had ZERO chance of saving the one goal we conceded 

[warsash saint]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Here we go again. Baz beaten by an absolute un saveable shot. He truly is the unlikeliest keeper to ever don the gloves. 

So just read the post match thread & not one positive comment form yourself... just this post about Baz - you are a weird fan fella!

[Crab Lungs]

34 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

You must really enjoy watching us lose games. With McCarthy in goal, we have won just 1 regular season game at St Mary's in the last FOUR YEARS, and that was 1½ years ago. That's how bad he is. When Bazunu plays we usually win. 

Yes but he rarely contributes to them.

He has got this mythical aura about him as someone alluded to above; somehow, it’s always a worldie when it goes in. He makes a couple of half decent stops in a game and it’s talked about as if he’s the only keeper in the world to have saved a shot. 

And you can bet your bottom dollar we wouldn’t have gone up with Baz in the playoffs. He’s not saving any of those Leeds shots at Wembley. Actually, he’d still be mid dive for one of them now.

Mccarthy, without doubt, has most the absolute fundamentals for being a goalkeeper. Bazunu does not, and never will have. He’ll still be at exactly the same level in 10 years time. He’s not getting any better. He’s not guaranteed to improve. 
 

And he’s most definitely not some sort of lucky charm.

Edited 13 hours ago by Crab Lungs

[Wade Garrett]

I’m not going to bury the keeper for their goal.  If anything I blame the midfielder who didn’t close Gray down quicker once he turned inside.

I do hope we get a new keeper in on Jan 1st though.

[benjii]

4 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I’m not going to bury the keeper for their goal.  If anything I blame the midfielder who didn’t close Gray down quicker once he turned inside.

I do hope we get a new keeper in on Jan 1st though.

This. It was obvious he was going to cut inside Fellows and Downes could have stepped out quicker to help him. When he did come out, he turned his back side on and made himself smaller, instead of blocking the shot.

Not a pile-on on Downes, who played well and set up a goal with a brilliant tackle, but that was a mistake he made.

[UpweySaint]

6 hours ago, Crab Lungs said:

Yes but he rarely contributes to them.

He has got this mythical aura about him as someone alluded to above; somehow, it’s always a worldie when it goes in. He makes a couple of half decent stops in a game and it’s talked about as if he’s the only keeper in the world to have saved a shot. 

And you can bet your bottom dollar we wouldn’t have gone up with Baz in the playoffs. He’s not saving any of those Leeds shots at Wembley. Actually, he’d still be mid dive for one of them now.

Mccarthy, without doubt, has most the absolute fundamentals for being a goalkeeper. Bazunu does not, and never will have. He’ll still be at exactly the same level in 10 years time. He’s not getting any better. He’s not guaranteed to improve. 
 

And he’s most definitely not some sort of lucky charm.

I don’t think this is an accurate representation. Bazunu is not the best shot stopper - nobody disagrees. He could do with more presence commanding his box. You seem to imply there are posters saying he is brilliant- if there are, can you point them out?

i think you will find a lot of the defence of him is because some of the criticism goes OTT and can feel as though people have an axe to grind “see - I told you he’s terrible”. I have seen posters saying he’s non league standard which is palpably untrue and hyperbolic. The way some fans seem to be so determined to run down our players is something I genuinely don’t understand.
 

He’s not a great keeper. Ramsdale is better. He can start play with his feet in a way that Macca can’t and this is clearly a valued attribute for Tonda and a lot of coaches in top level football.

 

To say he won’t improve at all in ten years is bizarre. Training at a high level under good coaches for ten years you don’t think he’ll improve decision making or positioning? 

 

[BarberSaint]

51 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

I don’t think this is an accurate representation. Bazunu is not the best shot stopper - nobody disagrees. He could do with more presence commanding his box. You seem to imply there are posters saying he is brilliant- if there are, can you point them out?

i think you will find a lot of the defence of him is because some of the criticism goes OTT and can feel as though people have an axe to grind “see - I told you he’s terrible”. I have seen posters saying he’s non league standard which is palpably untrue and hyperbolic. The way some fans seem to be so determined to run down our players is something I genuinely don’t understand.
 

He’s not a great keeper. Ramsdale is better. He can start play with his feet in a way that Macca can’t and this is clearly a valued attribute for Tonda and a lot of coaches in top level football.

 

To say he won’t improve at all in ten years is bizarre. Training at a high level under good coaches for ten years you don’t think he’ll improve decision making or positioning? 

 

Two interesting things yesterday. One he scuffed a hoofed clearance so isn't always great. Two a couple of times he just did the sensible "Get rid of the bloody thing" as did a couple of others. Seems someone's letting the players just make decisions as they see fit at the time. jjj

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

8 hours ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

Yep, agreed. 

No one would be commenting about this if Ramsdale had been in goal. 

As for comparing Grays shot to Scienza's effort which was saved .. they were chalk and cheese. 

Gray's was hit with so much more pace.

If I dare fault Scienza i'd say his shots lack pace. 

My thoughts initially (in the ground), Bazunu should have saved it as the goal was similar to Leo's shots however seeing the replays, I agree, Grays shot was hit with a lot more power and pace.

Maybe he should have got a little closer.

Edited 5 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[Toadhall Saint]

28 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

My thoughts initially (in the ground), Bazunu should have saved it as the goal was similar to Leos however seeing the replays, I agree, Grays shot was hit with a lot more power and pace.

Maybe he should have got a little closer.

I was right behind hit - as soon as it was hit it was going in - great goal and baz had no chance.

[Toussaint]

Yesterday, at the match, I heard an ex player say (words to the effect), and then repeat it about an hour later,…

 

he didn’t rate Baz, a keepers job is to stop shots and McCarthy is better at stopping shots, but neither are good enough. He went on to say the club are on the case. Some time later he repeated that, and they would be doing something in January, then he corrected himself to before January. 

[Oh no Mick Mills]

1 hour ago, UpweySaint said:

I don’t think this is an accurate representation. Bazunu is not the best shot stopper - nobody disagrees. He could do with more presence commanding his box. You seem to imply there are posters saying he is brilliant- if there are, can you point them out?

i think you will find a lot of the defence of him is because some of the criticism goes OTT and can feel as though people have an axe to grind “see - I told you he’s terrible”. I have seen posters saying he’s non league standard which is palpably untrue and hyperbolic. The way some fans seem to be so determined to run down our players is something I genuinely don’t understand.
 

He’s not a great keeper. Ramsdale is better. He can start play with his feet in a way that Macca can’t and this is clearly a valued attribute for Tonda and a lot of coaches in top level football.

 

To say he won’t improve at all in ten years is bizarre. Training at a high level under good coaches for ten years you don’t think he’ll improve decision making or positioning? 

 

Exactly this. 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

10 hours ago, Crab Lungs said:

Yes but he rarely contributes to them.

He has got this mythical aura about him as someone alluded to above; somehow, it’s always a worldie when it goes in. He makes a couple of half decent stops in a game and it’s talked about as if he’s the only keeper in the world to have saved a shot. 

And you can bet your bottom dollar we wouldn’t have gone up with Baz in the playoffs. He’s not saving any of those Leeds shots at Wembley.

Correct. 
 

We’re looking well capable of climbing up the league and making the play offs, but he will absolutely let us down in a big moment this season and cost us. Pointing that out isn’t being negative or “hating” him. It’s a fact that to go up this season we’ll need AM back in or a new keeper. People need to wake up and smell the coffee….

[Sheaf Saint]

4 hours ago, UpweySaint said:

To say he won’t improve at all in ten years is bizarre. Training at a high level under good coaches for ten years you don’t think he’ll improve decision making or positioning? 

 

I just think that some of his flaws - like his lack of physical stature and reaction speed - are so fundamental that no amount of coaching or experience is ever going to improve them. 

The goal at QPR, and the one that was disallowed last week at Millwall, are perfect examples. Not quick enough of thought or strong enough physically to claim those balls ahead of the attackers. You can't coach those skills.

[Miltonaggro]

10 hours ago, Crab Lungs said:

Yes but he rarely contributes to them.

He has got this mythical aura about him as someone alluded to above; somehow, it’s always a worldie when it goes in. He makes a couple of half decent stops in a game and it’s talked about as if he’s the only keeper in the world to have saved a shot. 

And you can bet your bottom dollar we wouldn’t have gone up with Baz in the playoffs. He’s not saving any of those Leeds shots at Wembley. Actually, he’d still be mid dive for one of them now.

Mccarthy, without doubt, has most the absolute fundamentals for being a goalkeeper. Bazunu does not, and never will have. He’ll still be at exactly the same level in 10 years time. He’s not getting any better. He’s not guaranteed to improve. 
 

And he’s most definitely not some sort of lucky charm.

Just like the Martin season, should we go up it will be despite of Bazunu, not because of.  As long as he is the number one choice the opposition will continue to have pot shots from distance and pressurise at set pieces with him frozen to his line like little boy lost.  Some of these attempts will go in, including games where we could and should have picked up points.  Best case scenario is a solid keeper in on January first and Bazunu out on loan going into the final year of his contract in 2026-27.  Let's hope Herr Tonda is all over this.  

[badgerx16]

If it had been Bazunun in goal for Sutton last night in the FA Cup, some people would be blaming him for Shrewsbury's second goal.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/c3e0z3e7nk8o

Edited 2 hours ago by badgerx16

[manji]

15 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

He certainly did. He made 4 great saves. 

Saints doing well . Everyone I know was excited, enthusiastic about yesterday’s game. As I’ve said before, as people on this forum, they need a scapegoat something to moan about. Of course, Bazunu is an obvious target

[Badger]

I’m by no means one of Bazunu’s fans but certainly at the match I didn’t think he was at fault for their goal yesterday. It was accurate and struck with power, sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition. 
 

I haven’t seen the goal on highlights though, so perhaps someone will point out his positioning, or slow moving on his feet, but from the ground it didn’t look one to pin on him. 

[Badger]

Also credit to Bazunu for his impromptu save with his feet in the second half from a deflected shot. Good reflex and thinking.

The other side of that coin though is that in the ground I thought ‘thank Christ it took a deflection and he didn’t have to use his hands’.