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woodsaint1

woodsaint1

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1 hour ago, supertadic21 said:

GON was at Staplewood today interviewing (and a few others have been in recent days). He is extremely keen on the job and impressed the club with a very thorough presentation, but the board (Solak especially) are concerned about backlash and division for supporters after today’s leaked story so quite possible it won’t go any further.

Been told he wore a blue tie

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Badger

Badger

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11 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

Sent by a mate… made me feel like “I’ve seen this movie before”… 

 

Good review of Carrick’s time there. As you say, had a feeling of familiarity to it.
From the outside I always thought their selling of their striker in January contributed to his undoing but seems a few other factors at play. 

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Dr Who?

Dr Who?

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O’Neils odds are shorting. I think there will be an announcement over the weekend. Will need to shorten hugely and then you know incoming! 

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trousers

trousers

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11 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

Sent by a mate… made me feel like “I’ve seen this movie before”… 

 

Bloody hell... Talk about déjà vu... "No plan B".... "Totally predictable tactics"... "No in game management"... 

I was unsure about Carrick, but having watched that I'm now certain... No thanks!

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Suhari

Suhari

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17 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

If GON is appointed, despite what some say on on here the fan backlash will be monumental as a whole.

You'd have to be downright stupid to make that appointment.

Enter Sport Republic.

As a whole what?

 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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10 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

A lot of people mentioning Carrick. What has he done? Improved Boro for a season then they went backwards. Not for me. 

How is O'Neil better ?

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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12 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

A lot of people mentioning Carrick. What has he done? Improved Boro for a season then they went backwards. Not for me. 

I think it is a reaction to the risk that we might get an ex Portsmouth player.

Carrick looks ok but if he was an Portsmouth player I doubt we'd be seeing the clamour.

His last two seasons 8th and 10th in the Championship but he's being made out to be some miracle manager who we're not going for because we could never afford his gigantic megastar salary.

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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35 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

If GON is appointed, despite what some say on on here the fan backlash will be monumental as a whole.

You'd have to be downright stupid to make that appointment.

Enter Sport Republic.

Monumental? 
 

from Saints fans?

😂

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trousers

trousers

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27 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

A lot of people mentioning Carrick. What has he done?

Might be partly due to his better managerial stats compared to O'Neil, albeit in the Championship vs the Premier League. 

Carrick's win % over 139 matches is fairly impressive at 46.76%, whereas O'Neill's is 31% over 100 matches. 

As I say, not directly comparable due to different leagues, but I guess it might be  a factor in swaying people's viewpoints. 

 

CB Fry

CB Fry

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11 minutes ago, trousers said:

Might be partly due to his better managerial stats compared to O'Neil, albeit in the Championship vs the Premier League. 

Carrick's win % over 139 matches is fairly impressive at 46.76%, whereas O'Neill's is 31% over 100 matches. 

As I say, not directly comparable due to different leagues, but I guess it might be  a factor in swaying people's viewpoints. 

 

Winning nearly a third of your games in the Premier League is far far more impressive than anything Carrick has ever done.

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CB Fry

CB Fry

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The biggest risk with Gary O'Neil is that while he has done an OK job in the Premier League he has never delivered a promotion or even managed in the Championship.

Carrick is much more familiar with this league.

Can see positives/negatives for either.

 

I still have a crazy dream that Spors and Dragan's money can get Viera back on the horse immediately and he loves working with Tonda and off we go. 

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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Just now, CB Fry said:

The biggest risk with Gary O'Neil is that while he has done an OK job in the Premier League he has never delivered a promotion or even managed in the Championship.

Carrick is much more familiar with this league.

Can see positives/negatives for either.

 

I still have a crazy dream that Spors and Dragan's money can get Viera back on the horse immediately and he loves working with Tonda and off we go. 

That I could get behind.

He wouldn’t take any shit and he’d be a bit of a pull for incoming players.

trousers

trousers

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14 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Winning nearly a third of your games in the Premier League is far far more impressive than anything Carrick has ever done.

Fair point 👍🏻

JohnnyShearer2.0

JohnnyShearer2.0

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6 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The biggest risk with Gary O'Neil is that while he has done an OK job in the Premier League he has never delivered a promotion or even managed in the Championship.

Carrick is much more familiar with this league.

Can see positives/negatives for either.

 

I still have a crazy dream that Spors and Dragan's money can get Viera back on the horse immediately and he loves working with Tonda and off we go. 

I'm so tired of Saints being consistently shit, don't have the energy anymore to look into managers. Still had me interested but that didn't work out.

So now whoever comes in i just hope they sort out the mess with the team i.e. keep it simple AND raise attitudes and confidence. 

The players have been getting away with it. Still didn't help either, just want the team to move up the table!

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

If GON is appointed, despite what some say on on here the fan backlash will be monumental as a whole.

You'd have to be downright stupid to make that appointment.

Enter Sport Republic.

Disagree.  He’s a capable manager.  A couple of wins and it’ll all be forgotten.

If he fails, I would agree with you.  But the backlash will be there whoever fails, regardless of who they played for.

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Themotherfunky

Themotherfunky

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At this rate, with the candidates on offer, I'd give it to Mowbray until the end of the season.

Steady the ship, instill some fight and a better overall mentality. Get us to a level where we're less of a basket case, and then look to get somebody else in. 

 The manager landscape might look better then too. 

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Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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15 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Disagree.  He’s a capable manager.  A couple of wins and it’ll all be forgotten.

If he fails, I would agree with you.  But the backlash will be there whoever fails, regardless of who they played for.

Agree, besides, saints fans only get truly angry if you’ve got a Welsh accent and act a bit hyper. You can be as shit as you like so long as you look the part, and you’ll largely get politely clapped off.

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Morse

Morse

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I wouldn't want O'Neil if he was born on the centre circle of the Dell pitch and had a tattoo of Craig David on his arse. I dont rate him. 

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saintstowin

saintstowin

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I think fans will probably be able to get over G O'N if he does well. Or just have to. I don't know if there's so many who couldn't get past it to make it harder for him to succeed from day one. I hope they can should he be appointed. The fact that someone who is connected to them is coming to us isn't unprecedented.

We need someone experienced who makes decent football decisions. The field isn't wonderful given who we'd be interested in and who would come. Similar to the signings we make we're at a different level now. Someone with PL experience is a pretty good option.

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trousers

trousers

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2 minutes ago, Themotherfunky said:

At this rate, with the candidates on offer, I'd give it to Mowbray until the end of the season.

Steady the ship, instill some fight and a better overall mentality. Get us to a level where we're less of a basket case, and then look to get somebody else in. 

 The manager landscape might look better then too. 

Aye :)

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beatlesaint

beatlesaint

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It amuses me when people are saying "dont want him his football is shite etc"........

Well I dont know where you have been for the past few years but we've hardly been accustomed to smooth, slick, fast flowing football with our forwards banging in goals for fun. Our levels of entertainment, for want of a better word, have run the gamut from effin boring all the way through to total shite.

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

It amuses me when people are saying "dont want him his football is shite etc"........

Well I dont know where you have been for the past few years but we've hardly been accustomed to smooth, slick, fast flowing football with our forwards banging in goals for fun. Our levels of entertainment, for want of a better word, have run the gamut from effin boring all the way through to total shite.

Maybe they say it because they don't want more of what you described!

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Monk

Monk

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Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, supertadic21 said:

GON was at Staplewood today interviewing (and a few others have been in recent days). He is extremely keen on the job and impressed the club with a very thorough presentation, but the board (Solak especially) are concerned about backlash and division for supporters after today’s leaked story so quite possible it won’t go any further.

No he wasn’t.

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austsaint

austsaint

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46 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The biggest risk with Gary O'Neil is that while he has done an OK job in the Premier League he has never delivered a promotion or even managed in the Championship.

Carrick is much more familiar with this league.

Can see positives/negatives for either.

 

I still have a crazy dream that Spors and Dragan's money can get Viera back on the horse immediately and he loves working with Tonda and off we go. 

Shouldn’t be a crazy dream.   Appoint Viera immediately; give him a fortnight’s leave during the international break and allow Tonda, fresh from masterminding consecutive wins to run the show until his arrival.   

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beatlesaint

beatlesaint

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11 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Maybe they say it because they don't want more of what you described!

You think ? Thanks for that!

Problem is you never really know what you are gonna get until a manager arrives and works with the players he has. Some managers have been awful at some clubs and great at others. It's never black and white I'm afraid.

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Monk

Monk

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4 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

GON wasn’t interviewed or Solak wasn’t concerned about fan backlash?

Oh he may very well have been interviewed that I don’t know.

However, what I do know is clubs don’t interview managers at the training ground and very rarely will it happen at a stadium. 

They meet/present at homes, air bnbs or hotels. 

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egg

egg

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

The biggest risk with Gary O'Neil is that while he has done an OK job in the Premier League he has never delivered a promotion or even managed in the Championship.

Carrick is much more familiar with this league.

Can see positives/negatives for either.

 

I still have a crazy dream that Spors and Dragan's money can get Viera back on the horse immediately and he loves working with Tonda and off we go. 

Putting aside the weirdness of some fans preferring an inferior manager than one with strong Pompey links, there's massive differences between GoN and Carrick.

GoN plays and aggressive pressing game, whereas Carrick plays a plodding pedestrian game. Basically, a poor mans Ralph or someone Martin esque. 

It's GoN for me. I couldn't give a monkeys who he's played for, and I like the fact that Pompey fans will be properly irritated if he comes here. 

Vieira though, that's a great shout. 

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benjii

benjii

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29 minutes ago, austsaint said:

Shouldn’t be a crazy dream.   Appoint Viera immediately; give him a fortnight’s leave during the international break and allow Tonda, fresh from masterminding consecutive wins to run the show until his arrival.   

Vieira would be great.

World Cup winner, Premier League winner, Cup winner, le grand sauccison...

Well-connected, gravitas, likes good football but isn't a nancy. 

Would excite and unite the fan base.

 

Fuck all chance.

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egg

egg

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Just now, benjii said:

Vieira would be great.

World Cup winner, Premier League winner, Cup winner, le grand sauccison...

Well-connected, gravitas, likes good football but isn't a nancy. 

Would excite and unite the fan base.

 

Fuck all chance.

Yep!! Nice idea though. Would be a massive statement if it happened though. 

saintwbu

saintwbu

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Vieira has barely lasted more than a year in any job he’s been in, and has a repeated history of long periods without winning a game. Not sure he has any more credibility as a manager than O’Neill or Carrick.

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obelisk

obelisk

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It surely can't simply be a choice between O'Neil and Carrick can it? Neither fills me with any optimism. I think I'd even prefer another hipster gamble.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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1 minute ago, saintwbu said:

Vieira has barely lasted more than a year in any job he’s been in, and has a repeated history of long periods without winning a game. Not sure he has any more credibility as a manager than O’Neill or Carrick.

Yep, was just running through his wiki to make sure I remember it right. He got off to a great start in management at New York, improved them every year, but after that it’s not exactly a glittering resume. 

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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17 minutes ago, benjii said:

Vieira would be great.

World Cup winner, Premier League winner, Cup winner, le grand sauccison...

Well-connected, gravitas, likes good football but isn't a nancy. 

Would excite and unite the fan base.

Fuck all chance.

Now do his time in management! It isn't great!

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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11 minutes ago, obelisk said:

It surely can't simply be a choice between O'Neil and Carrick can it? Neither fills me with any optimism. I think I'd even prefer another hipster gamble.

Don’t get me started on those latte drinking, weird bearded, drainpipe wearing, xG cunts.

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SW11_Saint

SW11_Saint

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28 minutes ago, egg said:

Putting aside the weirdness of some fans preferring an inferior manager than one with strong Pompey links, there's massive differences between GoN and Carrick.

GoN plays and aggressive pressing game, whereas Carrick plays a plodding pedestrian game. Basically, a poor mans Ralph or someone Martin esque. 

It's GoN for me. I couldn't give a monkeys who he's played for, and I like the fact that Pompey fans will be properly irritated if he comes here. 

Vieira though, that's a great shout. 

I don’t claim to know as I’ve never studied his teams that closely, but I’ve seen others on here claim GO’N plays a slower ‘keep ball’ game too - I do recall Wolves fans fuming at them being one down in the final minutes of a crucial match and them passing it around the bank (sounds familiar!).

That said, *my* impression was that his teams played quite aggressive ‘front foot’ football. The main thing I like about him however is that he has “something about him” - and I get the distinct impression he’d have no problem getting the hair dryer out, which is something we desperately need. 

The main downside is the P*mpey link. Frankly, I couldn’t give a toss about it, and I honestly think people need to grow up a bit on this point, but it would be nice to have someone at the helm who had the backing of all fans…

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Oh no Mick Mills

Oh no Mick Mills

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18 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Yep, was just running through his wiki to make sure I remember it right. He got off to a great start in management at New York, improved them every year, but after that it’s not exactly a glittering resume. 

The problem is,  someone with a glittering resume is not coming to Southampton.  

Unless its been achieved at a lower standard of league. 

I've not looked into Vierra's track record but I think its been at smaller clubs in high standard big European leagues where its likely going to be a struggle for a lot of managers. 

My gut feeling is he would be great. 

He'd rule the roost and with his stature and he'd have a long honeymoon period with players, owners and fans ..we need that.

Go get it him Dragan. 

 

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