ally_uk Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Ahwel, life goes on Thank you for the service Prowse Let's get in some sort of replacement, reload and go again No use in crying about it this is football and money talks...
Ralph Fastenbüttl Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 2 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Was hoping the ones that were being encouraged to move were the shit ones Lest we forget that just mere weeks ago we were all saying we'd be happy for every last one of them to be sold, such was our despair at relegation and the nature of our non-performances under three managers. I think it's odd that so many of our players are being bigged up by those same fans literally just a few weeks later and after one win over a very weak team. I really don't buy the argument that the club is selling the crown jewels because I'm not sure we have any, although I concede that JWP was undoubtedly one of the few talents we have/had. But he was never going to stay. Once we were relegated, of course he as going. Honestly it's just a shame it didn't happen at the start of the window to minimise the disruption. 1
Lighthouse Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 3 hours ago, Saint86 said: I have wondered about this. A few things were said in one of Martin's press conferences/interviews that implied some players would be encouraged to move. He was talking about players like Aribo and Djenepo, not our captain. I can’t imagine for a second that we wanted rid of JWP. 30 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: What a crap transfer. Could have been a true legend, now (in my eyes) he'll never quite be remembered at that level. Hope they get relegated next season anyway and we go past them in the opposite direction. Pisses me off that we'll have to watch him break the free kick record in another teams shirt though. I don’t think JWP would ever have been remembered as a ‘true legend’, just a consistently okay player who takes excellent free kicks. 1
miserableoldgit Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 (edited) This forum really drives me nuts sometimes. Yesterday everyone was praising JW for standing firm on transfer fees. Today everyone is moaning that we are selling JWP on the cheap even though we don't have any idea what the final deal is. Comments such as "SR up to their usual transfer window tricks" don't add up. Edited 9 August, 2023 by miserableoldgit 8
cloggy saint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Players come & players go, I'm sure he'll be forgotten about as soon as we unearth the next above average midfielder. 1
Saint_clark Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 26 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: He was talking about players like Aribo and Djenepo, not our captain. I can’t imagine for a second that we wanted rid of JWP. I don’t think JWP would ever have been remembered as a ‘true legend’, just a consistently okay player who takes excellent free kicks. If he had stayed his entire career with us he would have been a legend, especially if he had captained us back into the Prem and kept us there till retirement. 6
stknowle Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: I don’t think JWP would ever have been remembered as a ‘true legend’, just a consistently okay player who takes excellent free kicks. Totally disagree with that. Never expected him to stay but if he had and taken us back up he would’ve been regarded as far more than just ok with excellent freekicks. Edited 9 August, 2023 by stknowle 1
Turkish Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 41 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: This forum really drives me nuts sometimes. Yesterday everyone was praising JW for standing firm on transfer fees. Today everyone is moaning that we are selling JWP on the cheap even though we don't have any idea what the final deal is. Comments such as "SR up to their usual transfer window tricks" don't add up. yep, considering this is the first transfer window they've sold anyone decent and have got good fees for Tino and Salisu im not really sure what "Up to their usual tricks" are. 2
Dellman Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 JWP should be a 'legend' for his unequalled work rate and fitness and ability to play every minute of every season also to be the team's top goalscorer though not a forward. What more do fans want to make a 'legend'? 4 1
Saintsfan79 Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Ward-Prowse not playing for Saints on Saturday James Ward Prowse will not play for Southampton in their Championship game against Norwich this weekend. The midfielder would like to play but knows it's best to avoid playing and risk injury. West Ham have an agreement in principle to sign Ward-Prowse from Southampton. So what now is going to do some lap of honour bollocks like he's saved us from financial ruin due to getting a transfer fee for us. Melt.
swannymere Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 4 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: Or regret going to live there. I know that part of East London and West Essex very well. Its not really like Emmerdale.
beatlesaint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 6 minutes ago, Saintsfan79 said: Ward-Prowse not playing for Saints on Saturday James Ward Prowse will not play for Southampton in their Championship game against Norwich this weekend. The midfielder would like to play but knows it's best to avoid playing and risk injury. West Ham have an agreement in principle to sign Ward-Prowse from Southampton. So what now is going to do some lap of honour bollocks like he's saved us from financial ruin due to getting a transfer fee for us. Melt. Well he was never gonna play once the deal had been agreed. I can’t believe anyone honestly thought it was a possibility! 2
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 15 minutes ago, Saintsfan79 said: Ward-Prowse not playing for Saints on Saturday James Ward Prowse will not play for Southampton in their Championship game against Norwich this weekend. The midfielder would like to play but knows it's best to avoid playing and risk injury. West Ham have an agreement in principle to sign Ward-Prowse from Southampton. So what now is going to do some lap of honour bollocks like he's saved us from financial ruin due to getting a transfer fee for us. Melt. I hope he just stays away personally. If you're going to go then feck off and let's some other players hopefully save us. The season has started and this is a distraction we don't need. 3
Miltonaggro Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 4 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: It's not a tin pot competition, I would love Saints to be in it. I’m middle way - it is a tin pot competition and I would love Saints to be in it 😀 1
West end Saints Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 I understand him moving on, but his place in the club's history as the captain of a promotion winning side would have been very different to this, the captain of a relegation side, who left for West ham. He has been a good player for us, and seems a decent lad. However I don't think he should be anywhere near St Mary's on Saturday, if he has chosen to move on its about the current squad not him. 4
Saint86 Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Saintsfan79 said: So what now is going to do some lap of honour bollocks like he's saved us from financial ruin due to getting a transfer fee for us. Melt. I get its painful for some fans that he's off. But it doesn't need the hostility he's getting from some corners. He's been here since he was a kid (20years now), loves the club, had chances to move before, and has given us great service. He's equally soon to turn 29, watched basically all his team mates and much of the backroom staff leave over that period, and he is in his prime chasing an England call up and European football. He probably should sense the mood, he's leaving now whilst we're about to go through a very tough period, he doesn't need to be making a big song and dance out of that as well... Seen a few photos of his time at the club since he was a kid, posing with shaw and mcqueen in the academy, his prem debut vs city, of him/lambert/lallana/jayrod all posing after their england call up etc. He really has become part of the furniture and it is the end of an era in that regard. I wonder how many other players we'll have that do 20years? But if people want to be angry, the target should be Sports Republic... the fact we're taking a huge financial hit in a lower league is a shit show almost entirely of their own making after last year's absolute debacle. Edited 9 August, 2023 by Saint86 6 1
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 2 minutes ago, West end Saints said: I understand him moving on, but his place in the club's history as the captain of a promotion winning side would have been very different to this, the captain of a relegation side, who left for West ham. He has been a good player for us, and seems a decent lad. However I don't think he should be anywhere near St Mary's on Saturday, if he has chosen to move on its about the current squad not him. 100% this. If he goes he's old news and nothing like real legends such as Lambert.
Wade Garrett Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Good luck to JWP, hope it works out for him. 2
hypochondriac Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint_clark said: If he had stayed his entire career with us he would have been a legend, especially if he had captained us back into the Prem and kept us there till retirement. For me if he'd stayed and got us up then left he would be a legend. As it is he captained us to relegation. 2
moonraker Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 27 minutes ago, Saintsfan79 said: Ward-Prowse not playing for Saints on Saturday James Ward Prowse will not play for Southampton in their Championship game against Norwich this weekend. The midfielder would like to play but knows it's best to avoid playing and risk injury. West Ham have an agreement in principle to sign Ward-Prowse from Southampton. So what now is going to do some lap of honour bollocks like he's saved us from financial ruin due to getting a transfer fee for us. Melt. Where is this from, Sky reporting Saints have requested he play.
woodsaint1 Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 31 minutes ago, Saintsfan79 said: Ward-Prowse not playing for Saints on Saturday James Ward Prowse will not play for Southampton in their Championship game against Norwich this weekend. The midfielder would like to play but knows it's best to avoid playing and risk injury. West Ham have an agreement in principle to sign Ward-Prowse from Southampton. So what now is going to do some lap of honour bollocks like he's saved us from financial ruin due to getting a transfer fee for us. Melt. The only melt here is you. Its quite simple, hes been at the club for 20 years so obviously he would like it to end on the pitch at home. That obviously wont be happening, but hes hardly wanting to portray himself as some financial saviour 🤪 2
S-Clarke Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 It was inventible, as the window drew to a close there was a point at which this would move. We'll see similar with a few more of our players now, just not the ones we want out. You can't help but wish him all the success in the world, he has been pretty much an ever present for us for years - never missing a minute, running more than anyone else - always committed. Maybe not the most vocal or strongest of captains, but the gap he leaves in this team will be huge. I imagine Flynn Downes is on his way here now, another Martin-ball player, like Manning (knows the style). Let's see how it pans out, but he is levels below JWP of no doubt. 5
do i not like fizzy pop Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Let's be honest, we are in the position of having to sell at what is perceived as cut price due the ineptitude of a board that monumentally cocked up managerial appointments not once, but twice in a season and got us relegated with barely a whimper. This was inevitable and I don't blame any player leaving. 4 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 6 minutes ago, do i not like fizzy pop said: Let's be honest, we are in the position of having to sell at what is perceived as cut price due the ineptitude of a board that monumentally cocked up managerial appointments not once, but twice in a season and got us relegated with barely a whimper. This was inevitable and I don't blame any player leaving. When put like that it’s difficult to disagree. I think there are a few players in the squad who think they are better than they actually are and while JWP going will weaken our 1st team, if the right quality replacement is found it might be beneficial in the longer term. I’m not sure Downes on loan is the answer - why would a non-starter for an average team like WH put any more effort into his game playing for Saints? Don’t like it one bit…there must be better options to buy. 1
Miltonaggro Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Wish the lad well, been a great servant to us, but sincerely wish he wasn’t going to Dildo FC - shithouse club. When Moyes is sacked it’s going to get rather interesting in that fickle boardroom and stadium rather quickly. They’ll probably give the job to Nathan Jones. Perhaps when we pass them we can buy him back for half price. 2
S-Clarke Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 3 hours ago, st alex said: Why? Surely any sane fan would jump at the chance to follow their team in any European competition, even the Conference league? I know I would, that's as good as we'll ever see - and it will require a lot to go right to even get there. It may be tin-pot for teams like Man City, but for us it's all we can really aspire to and I'd enjoy every minute of it - like I did back in 2016. 3
Saint_clark Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Surely any sane fan would jump at the chance to follow their team in any European competition, even the Conference league? I know I would, that's as good as we'll ever see - and it will require a lot to go right to even get there. It may be tin-pot for teams like Man City, but for us it's all we can really aspire to and I'd enjoy every minute of it - like I did back in 2016. 100%, to see your team playing abroad in a competitive game is superb. Almost as good as it gets for a club our size, besides winning a League/FA cup. Did Milan and Vitesse Arnhem away and they were two of the best football trips i've ever done. Edited 9 August, 2023 by Saint_clark
Yorkshire Saint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 9 minutes ago, SaintStinger said: So who will take the free kicks now? Not James Bree with any luck. Manning ?
East Kent Saint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 It looked like we have had peak JWP at Saints , I hope he has a revival at WH to see his career out . Saints need a rebuild and I'm not confident we have reached the bottom yet before an upturn. 2
Saint Matty 76 Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Disappointed as the lack of movement until this point had me slightly hopeful that he'd have ended up staying for the year to get us back up, and be considered an actual legend of this era. A good move for him. European football and gives himself the opportunity to play for the chance of a spot in the Euros, however unlikely I may think that really is. Hope his career doesn't somewhat peter out like Ings' has, but at least he'll have the PL free-kick record in hand. Overall a bit disappointed, but nothing against JWP who always gave it his all, where so many others haven't over the past few years. 1
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 He must have been due a testimonial by about now.
The Kraken Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 4 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: He must have been due a testimonial by about now. Usually after ten years’ service I think, or used to be. JWP made his debut in 2011, signed his first proper contract 2012, so he’d have been due. I guess not much call for them these days and players tend to do them for charity as they’re already rich enough unlike back in the day when it was needed as a guaranteed retirement fund. 1
bangkoksaint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Good luck JWP. I genuinely think you cared and ultimately it’s all we should ask for as fans. Loved to have seen you stay but understood why you have gone. 6
Baird of the land Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Real shame the expected move has happened. Hopefully Saints can replace him with a seasoned pro like Grimes and not another developmental kid. Think if Moyes stays(which is the big question mark) it could be a good move for him. Unlike Saints i think they'll potentially get much more use of his set play ability from corners/free kicks
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 Thanks for the memories. Good luck this season. See you at SMS next season. 1
Charlie Wayman Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 As Club Captain, Ward Prowse's chronic lack of leadership contributed more than a little to our demise of the past few seasons and ultimate relegation. One might have expected that now in Saints hour of need he would set aside any personal ambitions and be the first person to rally around the flag and lead the fight back but No! At the first sniff of rancid banknotes the big rats are fighting each other to get off the sinking ship and Ward Prowse it now proves has led the charge. Shame on him. It certainly leaves bitter taste. To hell with all the sentimental twaddle that so many forum scribes have posted on here, Ward Prowse has acted despicably and deserves opprobrium rather than misplaced misty eyed acclaim. He's b*ggered off to enrich himself and left us the pick up the pieces. Good bloody riddance to him. 1 5 6 1
Sheaf Saint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 I may have missed this elsewhere, but can someone please explain to me how we apparently turned down two bids, WH were ready to walk away from the deal, and we ended up accepting a lower bid? That's a new one on me. 1 1
Miltonaggro Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Yorkshire Saint said: Not James Bree with any luck. Manning ? Bernard? 1
Yorkshire Saint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 1 positive is that we might get better with our penalties. JWP penalties were so predictable. 2 1
Bad Wolf Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 1 minute ago, Yorkshire Saint said: 1 positive is that we might get better with our penalties. JWP penalties were so predictable. Yeah, it's only Tadic who's keeping him from being our worst ever regular penalty taker. Or at least worst in my memory.
Verbal Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 44 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: As Club Captain, Ward Prowse's chronic lack of leadership contributed more than a little to our demise of the past few seasons and ultimate relegation. One might have expected that now in Saints hour of need he would set aside any personal ambitions and be the first person to rally around the flag and lead the fight back but No! At the first sniff of rancid banknotes the big rats are fighting each other to get off the sinking ship and Ward Prowse it now proves has led the charge. Shame on him. It certainly leaves bitter taste. To hell with all the sentimental twaddle that so many forum scribes have posted on here, Ward Prowse has acted despicably and deserves opprobrium rather than misplaced misty eyed acclaim. He's b*ggered off to enrich himself and left us the pick up the pieces. Good bloody riddance to him. How big was your pram to hold this many toys? 1 1
Bad Wolf Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 52 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: As Club Captain, Ward Prowse's chronic lack of leadership contributed more than a little to our demise of the past few seasons and ultimate relegation. One might have expected that now in Saints hour of need he would set aside any personal ambitions and be the first person to rally around the flag and lead the fight back but No! At the first sniff of rancid banknotes the big rats are fighting each other to get off the sinking ship and Ward Prowse it now proves has led the charge. Shame on him. It certainly leaves bitter taste. To hell with all the sentimental twaddle that so many forum scribes have posted on here, Ward Prowse has acted despicably and deserves opprobrium rather than misplaced misty eyed acclaim. He's b*ggered off to enrich himself and left us the pick up the pieces. Good bloody riddance to him. Lol wow...
derry Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said: Photoshop?? Nothing on Saints Official Site.
The Kraken Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 The madder one has got hold of the Charlie Wayman account again. Buckle in. 5
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 So the "James Ward-Prouse, my Lord, one more year" song didn't work. What's sad is that Saints legends are truly special, and for someone like JWP, he could have inched his way in to legend status. Instead, he goes to some mediocre club paying a few more bob and offering premiership football. How much is the agent persuading him to move and our club pushing him out isn't known to us, but players like JWP are already set up financially for life so I don't get why these players value a few quid over recognition. Loyalty eh? A thing of the past. 2
Bad Wolf Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 1 minute ago, derry said: Photoshop?? Nothing on Saints Official Site. One yeah, the image isn't real but the fact Fab says it's happening means it is. He's generally the most reliable twitter journo.
Bad Wolf Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 1 minute ago, The Kraken said: The madder one has got hold of the Charlie Wayman account again. Buckle in. Wait until he realises Channon left and MLT was desperate to sign for Spurs and only stayed because his wife didn't want to leave the area. 1
Bad Wolf Posted 9 August, 2023 Posted 9 August, 2023 7 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said: So the "James Ward-Prouse, my Lord, one more year" song didn't work. What's sad is that Saints legends are truly special, and for someone like JWP, he could have inched his way in to legend status. Instead, he goes to some mediocre club paying a few more bob and offering premiership football. How much is the agent persuading him to move and our club pushing him out isn't known to us, but players like JWP are already set up financially for life so I don't get why these players value a few quid over recognition. Loyalty eh? A thing of the past. Remember when the club were going to bin him off to Watford a few years ago? You also have fans demanding we get shot of Paul, McCarthy, Lyanco etc. Funny how this "NO LOYALTY IN FOOTBALL" crap doesn't work both ways. 5
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