The Spygate Saga

[Nordic Saint]

5 minutes ago, SW5 SAINT said:

Seems like Southampton are just being messed around now by the football authorities….

They need MB to tell them what their verdict is.

Edited 10 hours ago by Nordic Saint

[benjii]

4 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

We need someone who'd be happy to take a temporary contract until Tonda returns. Fonte would be my choice. He would relish the opportunity.

I still say Woy's the man.

[westmidlandsaint]

This issue for Tonda with someone else coming in until the end of the season (if that is the outcome) I can see the whole Dave Jones/Glenn Hoddle scenario again if that temporary person does well. Is Tonda's contract until the end of this season?

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, benjii said:

I still say Woy's the man.

I think this needs experience and cool heads. Only one man for the job

[LegalEagle]

6 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

We need someone who'd be happy to take a temporary contract until Tonda returns. Fonte would be my choice. He would relish the opportunity.

I mentioned Fonte yesterday. He’s currently on the coaching staff at Sunderland. He might well be doing his badges. Even if the time were right for him he would not come to us as some stand in. It would have to be the job itself and that would only be the case if Tonda gets a long ban - 4 months or more I would guess.

[LegalEagle]

6 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

We need someone who'd be happy to take a temporary contract until Tonda returns. Fonte would be my choice. He would relish the opportunity.

I mentioned Fonte yesterday. He’s currently on the coaching staff at Sunderland. He might well be doing his badges. Even if the time were right for him he would not come to us as some stand in. It would have to be the job itself and that would only be the case if Tonda gets a long ban - 4 months or more I would guess.

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I think this needs experience and cool heads. Only one man for the job

Not sure he'd go down too well with the likes of Cyle Larin.

[VectisSaint]

5 minutes ago, westmidlandsaint said:

This issue for Tonda with someone else coming in until the end of the season (if that is the outcome) I can see the whole Dave Jones/Glenn Hoddle scenario again if that temporary person does well. Is Tonda's contract until the end of this season?

That's why Woy and/or Arry would be the right choices. Short term. Big bonus for promotion, hopefully they would make it to the end of the season (no offence intended) 

[Patrick Bateman]

6 minutes ago, saintant said:

Not sure he'd go down too well with the likes of Cyle Larin.

No as he's most definitely not lazy!

[egg]

9 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

I mentioned Fonte yesterday. He’s currently on the coaching staff at Sunderland. He might well be doing his badges. Even if the time were right for him he would not come to us as some stand in. It would have to be the job itself and that would only be the case if Tonda gets a long ban - 4 months or more I would guess.

Has it not been suggested that he left under a bit of a cloud?

[tdmickey3]

15 minutes ago, benjii said:

I remember when Richard Dryden had Ravanelli in his pocket.

Yeah, but it was one of those Panini stickers

[BARCELONASAINT]

14 hours ago, MB said:

Have on good authority he’s banned. Club exploring options for appeal before anything goes public 

Happy to apologise if you are correct with what you have heard BUT personally I can't believe whoever passed the information knows anything other than speculating. If a decision had been made it would be out by now.

My best bet is someone is speculating....lets face it "he is banned" covers a multitude of scenarios

he has a 1 game ban, 2 game ban, 1 month ban, 2 month ban, 6 month ban etc etc. We can all claim to know the outcome by saying he's banned!

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Has it not been suggested that he left under a bit of a cloud?

All to do with Les Reed wasn't it although Fonte was a knob too by all accounts

[Toussaint]

1 hour ago, LiberalCommunist said:

If we sack Tonda, do we get reinstated in the play off final. 

My sources tell me, so I understand, that I’ve been lead to believe, we will be installed into the premier league with immediate effect, carrying forward our current points total plus the four deducted points being reinstated.
 

There will be people who won’t be happy about this, most notably Tottenham Hotspur, who will be relegated with immediate effect to make space for us. 

[saints1988]

14 hours ago, saints1988 said:

Have heard Rob Edward’s name today 

Same person that told me this.

Also said an 18 month ban………

Edited 10 hours ago by saints1988

[AlexLaw76]

if we do get a new manager he will surely have to suit the players..not come in and insist on brave pass out from the back at all costs, or 3 at the back and no wide forwards etc..

[LordHester]

5 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

My sources tell me, so I understand, that I’ve been lead to believe, we will be installed into the premier league with immediate effect, carrying forward our current points total plus the four deducted points being reinstated.
 

There will be people who won’t be happy about this, most notably Tottenham Hotspur, who will be relegated with immediate effect to make space for us. 

Spurs have only one more win than us against Premier League sides this year, so it’s not an unfair swap.

[saintant]

6 minutes ago, saints1988 said:

Same person that told me this.

Also said an 18 month ban………

An 18 months ban would be completely ott. 

[trousers]

Just now, saintant said:

An 18 week ban would be completely ott. 

Tweaked it for you...

[skintsaint]

7 minutes ago, saints1988 said:

Same person that told me this.

Also said an 18 month ban………

😅

You get 6-12 months for getting caught doing drugs in football, Cantona I think got less for jumping into the crowd like Bruce Lee...

[Patrick Bateman]

Someone wake me up when the FA have stopped eating cake and marvelling at their latest overhead projector with bits of plastic you can write on. What a revelation I hear them say. 

I like Eckert as a manager, I think he'll have a great career, but this is just tedious now. Let's get the ban sorted, appoint someone else and move on. Just not Rob Edwards or Ron Atkinson. Thanks. 

[saints1988]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

An 18 months ban would be completely ott. 

The whole thing is OTT.

Personally, just looks like two footballing governance bodies having a tap in to show they look credible and provide strong governance 

[Midfield_General]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

if we do get a new manager he will surely have to suit the players..not come in and insist on brave pass out from the back at all costs, or 3 at the back and no wide forwards etc..

That would be the sensible approach, but that's not really the SR way.

None of the managers they've hired have really followed on directly in style from the one before. 

(Ralph) > Jones > Selles > Martin > Juric > Still > Tonda

Not really any pattern there at all. I suppose you could argue that because they all ended up getting sacked, that it was 'time for change' at each point the next new manager came in, but each one basically started from scratch in terms of playing style, regardless of personnel. 

That's why if the ban means they go down the caretaker route I think it will be Lallana and Garner for some sort of continuity. 

If we need a new permanent manager, god knows what happens. Could be anyone. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Midfield_General

[obelisk]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

An 18 months ban would be completely ott. 

He wouldn't even get that much for marching around Rockcliffe Park in the style of Basil Fawlty and giving "Gibbo" a good slap.

[trousers]

I'm starting to get worried now... Given our spying is the 'worst rule breach in the history of the game', he's bound to get a more punitive sanction than this fella... 

 

[hypochondriac]

15 minutes ago, saints1988 said:

Same person that told me this.

Also said an 18 month ban………

18 months would be absolutely insane. 6 months per charge? I reckon he'd have a good case for taking legal action for restricting his ability to make any money for that period of time. I've been expecting him to be banned so we have to sack him for a while so not a huge shock if true but that really would be an eye raising amount of time. 

[Pamplemousse]

Any sort of total ban would be ludicrous but 18 months and the FA loses all credibility as a serious organisation 

[Midfield_General]

8 minutes ago, trousers said:

I'm starting to get worried now... Given our spying is the 'worst rule breach in the history of the game', he's bound to get a more punitive sanction than this fella... 

 

Take away the acts of GBH and he's just not the same player. 

Always reminds me of this.

"A clumsy challenge" 

Edited 9 hours ago by Midfield_General

[die Mannyschaft]

20 minutes ago, saints1988 said:

Same person that told me this.

Also said an 18 month ban………

May as well go for 24 months ban

[die Mannyschaft]

12 minutes ago, saints1988 said:

The whole thing is OTT.

Personally, just looks like two footballing governance bodies having a tap in to show they look credible and provide strong governance 

Its the power of social media, we got well and truly stung buy Middlesbrough media and social medi campaign will 90 odd clubs falling in line and managers calling for removal of Saints in final. Tonda banned for life. Its all working to plan very well 

[Saint86]

28 minutes ago, saints1988 said:

Same person that told me this.

Also said an 18 month ban………

Can you imagine, would be the most ridiculous punishment ever 😄.

There is absolutely no point giving him a significant sanction as that is only a serious punishment for the club... if we are forced to let him go he walks straight into a good job in Germany... very hard to see any sanction like that as anything other than a triple punishment on saints, and you would imagine we would make hay in the media to that effect 

The other part of all this that rarely gets mentioned, is the LMA may get involved.

Anything other than a short touchline ban is OTT.

Edited 9 hours ago by Saint86

[Lighthouse]

1 minute ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Its the power of social media, we got well and truly stung buy Middlesbrough media and social medi campaign will 90 odd clubs falling in line and managers calling for removal of Saints in final. Tonda banned for life. Its all working to plan very well 

What consequence exactly is it you feel is attributable to Boro's social media and media campaign?

[egg]

21 minutes ago, saintant said:

An 18 months ban would be completely ott. 

 

7 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

May as well go for 24 months ban

Ott, but it wouldn't be a surprise to the club. 

[die Mannyschaft]

Why is Tonda at Wembley couldn't they just call him or WhatsApp.  Is he playing in the FA execution final v Cardinal Wolsley. Can you imagine a Boro striker being the executioner he would miss the head with axe 21 times then Tonda gets a reprive 

[Ken Tone]

Surely no one any good will come in as an interim? The only short-term appointment likely would be internal - eg Lallana .

The Telegraph says we're considering Rob Edwards if necessary, ie to replace Tonda at short notice. He'd surely want *at least* a year's contract.  

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Ken Tone said:

Surely no one any good will come in as an interim? The only short-term appointment likely would be internal - eg Lallana .

The Telegraph says we're considering Rob Edwards if necessary, ie to replace Tonda at short notice. He'd surely want *at least* a year's contract.  

If Tonda gets 18 months the month we aren't bringing in an interim are we.

[OldNick]

15 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Why is Tonda at Wembley couldn't they just call him or WhatsApp.  Is he playing in the FA execution final v Cardinal Wolsley. Can you imagine a Boro striker being the executioner he would miss the head with axe 21 times then Tonda gets a reprive 

Or the Spanish inquisition .......

[UpweySaint]

7 minutes ago, Ken Tone said:

Surely no one any good will come in as an interim? The only short-term appointment likely would be internal - eg Lallana .

The Telegraph says we're considering Rob Edwards if necessary, ie to replace Tonda at short notice. He'd surely want *at least* a year's contract.  

I guess it depends a little on if they are a caretaker, almost ‘on trial’ or Tonda is completely out of the frame. Either way we’re a good candidate for promotion, somebody like Edwards could do with a bit of credit in the bank after an up and down few years. If Edwards (or another) was told you get until the end of the season and we have some money left to spend in January so you can supplement the squad. Maybe? If they take us up they’re possibly managing in the prem. if we don’t go up but go close they’re hardly likely to take too much flack in the context. You could frame it as a free-ish hit with plenty stacked in their favour.

FWIW I don’t mind Edwards based on ability as a coach but I would be curious if he could adapt his playing style successfully or he would expect the team to mould to him. We haven’t been perfect this season but we play some good stuff and don’t look far off it. I would want anybody coming in to offer mostly continuity. 

If we’re throwing names out isn’t Steve Cooper out of work? He did a wonderful job after being parachuted in at Forest.

[die Mannyschaft]

23 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

What consequence exactly is it you feel is attributable to Boro's social media and media campaign?

Bigger punishment,  it would have much less otherwise. 

[die Mannyschaft]

Just now, UpweySaint said:

I guess it depends a little on if they are a caretaker, almost ‘on trial’ or Tonda is completely out of the frame. Either way we’re a good candidate for promotion, somebody like Edwards could do with a bit of credit in the bank after an up and down few years. If Edwards (or another) was told you get until the end of the season and we have some money left to spend in January so you can supplement the squad. Maybe? If they take us up they’re possibly managing in the prem. if we don’t go up but go close they’re hardly likely to take too much flack in the context. You could frame it as a free-ish hit with plenty stacked in their favour.

FWIW I don’t mind Edwards based on ability as a coach but I would be curious if he could adapt his playing style successfully or he would expect the team to mould to him. We haven’t been perfect this season but we play some good stuff and don’t look far off it. I would want anybody coming in to offer mostly continuity. 

If we’re throwing names out isn’t Steve Cooper out of work? He did a wonderful job after being parachuted in at Forest.

Its a good opportunity for a manager as if he gets us promoted then can leave for another club. Saints are a good stepping stone for managers. Unless you end up at Leicester 

[Saint86]

Probably fairly safe to assume at this point that no news means its not good news.

[Wade Garrett]

Edwards being appointed would cement the absolute fuckwittery of Sports Republic to the supporters.

Rob fucking Edwards, fuck off.

[Midfield_General]

8 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

If we’re throwing names out isn’t Steve Cooper out of work? He did a wonderful job after being parachuted in at Forest.

Most recently at Brondby, won 9 out of 26, didn't qualify for Europe, sacked after 8 months. 

Ralph's available...

Edited 9 hours ago by Midfield_General

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Saint86 said:

Probably fairly safe to assume at this point that no news means its not good news.

Not really.  From the bullet points of Parson's statement the other day, he states it is likely to be done within a month, assuming we don't take up the option to appeal.

No news, in this case, is literally no news.

[RedArmy]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Not really.  From the bullet points of Parson's statement the other day, he states it is likely to be done within a month, assuming we don't take up the option to appeal.

No news, in this case, is literally no news.

I wouldn’t trust that cunt to tell me what today’s date is. 

[Midfield_General]

2 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

I wouldn’t trust that cunt to tell me what today’s date is. 

If Tonda gets screwed over, I wonder if that means the end of Parsons too. 

If I was him today I'd be sweating like Rose West on Time Team

[Saint86]

9 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Not really.  From the bullet points of Parson's statement the other day, he states it is likely to be done within a month, assuming we don't take up the option to appeal.

No news, in this case, is literally no news.

If it were good news re punishment, you'd think we'd accept it and it would be released today - no need to manage statements, no need to appeal etc.

The longer it goes on, the higher the chance of it not being an outcome we're happy with 🤷‍♂️

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I think this needs experience and cool heads. Only one man for the job

JR Ewing?

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

I think this needs experience and cool heads. Only one man for the job

You can see where Trump got the idea for the hairdo

[Ldnsaint]

Surely Corberan would be top of the list of Tonda goes