The Kraken Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) . Edited 12 hours ago by The Kraken Can’t be bothered
Matthew Le God Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 10 minutes ago, The Kraken said: I said it was a difference association you prat. Being as there hasn’t been a transgression of the 72 hour rule since it was brought in, the FA will likely look for other rulings made by other associations. So, yes, it is a precedent of sorts. A precedent is a previous ruling by the same governing body that guides future decisions by that governing body. The FA isn't bound by, nor does it automatically follow, decisions made by FIFA, UEFA, or the Canadian association. It is not a precedent. 1
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 25 minutes ago, CB Fry said: If it is time based then the FA are not going to start a 6 month ban in June when the players are on holiday/on international duty and there are zero matches. A charge of "bringing the game into disrepute" is pretty easy for them to stick on him so will just depend on the punishment. They could simply make it an 8 month ban starting now.
Saint_clark Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago What's the general feeling about Fellows on here? 38 games, 0 goals, 5 assists. For me it's a clear position that requires upgrading. He just doesn't affect games enough even with two strikers who he should thrive when feeding. 4
Willo of Whiteley Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: What's the general feeling about Fellows on here? 38 games, 0 goals, 5 assists. For me it's a clear position that requires upgrading. He just doesn't affect games enough even with two strikers who he should thrive when feeding. Said it on the Tom Fellows thread back in November I think: Excellent pace, can’t fault his endless stepovers, but doing the same dummy, sprinting to the goal and crossing it to the keeper time and time again is not a benefit to the team. I also said how underwhelming a signing he was when he did join and said I haven’t actually seen him do anything of note in his career so far. Proving to be right on that front, just haven’t got the effort to bump my comment on the thread. 😂 Edited 11 hours ago by Willo of Whiteley 1
Paulwantsapint81 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, The Kraken said: When Canada women got done for spying in 2024 the team were given a six point penalty in the completion and their coach copped a 1 year ban from football activities. So there is precedent there, albeit different associations. How many games did the ban cover? A 5 match ban starting mid march if out of cups & opponents in cup action (postponed match) & international break is a lot longer than 5 matches mid December while still in league cup with FA cup 3rd round to come 1
Pilchards Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago Thought this was the transfer thread? Yes Rasmus saying getting bums off the seats means Leo, the Spanish guy on the other wing is certainly that. Fellows just didn’t bring the excitement and the end result for me.
pingpong Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 7 hours ago, Saint_clark said: What's the general feeling about Fellows on here? 38 games, 0 goals, 5 assists. For me it's a clear position that requires upgrading. He just doesn't affect games enough even with two strikers who he should thrive when feeding. I think he was unlucky not to get a goal or two, he created himself a few chances. His little dinks to the far post were a danger in the final games of the season, and as well as 5 assists there will have been a few goals where he opened things up for the team. His meandering cross field runs were often successful as an outlet, or in committing their players and pulling players out of position, critical in the modern game. I think he offers something a little different and is a good option to have - hard to replace. I prefer matsuki for effectiveness but if it's not working I think fellows can come in and switch things up, or vice versa. 3
Hopper Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 7 hours ago, Saint_clark said: What's the general feeling about Fellows on here? 38 games, 0 goals, 5 assists. For me it's a clear position that requires upgrading. He just doesn't affect games enough even with two strikers who he should thrive when feeding. Fellows looks on paper like he SHOULD be the perfect fit for the way we play. In reality that just hasn't come to bear. Good to remember that he is only 22. Although he has a lot of playing time under his belt, perhaps the level of expectation is just a little beyond him at this stage. 1
LiberalCommunist Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago This is the first transfer window in years where I'm more invested in who we retain, rather than who we sign. Really grown to like this group of players. 3
Oh no Mick Mills Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 47 minutes ago, pingpong said: I think he was unlucky not to get a goal or two, he created himself a few chances. His little dinks to the far post were a danger in the final games of the season, and as well as 5 assists there will have been a few goals where he opened things up for the team. His meandering cross field runs were often successful as an outlet, or in committing their players and pulling players out of position, critical in the modern game. I think he offers something a little different and is a good option to have - hard to replace. I prefer matsuki for effectiveness but if it's not working I think fellows can come in and switch things up, or vice versa. Both Matsuki and Fellows are decent players imo. But I reckon if we want autos then we need someone better than both of them . 1
Dman Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 hours ago, Saint_clark said: What's the general feeling about Fellows on here? 38 games, 0 goals, 5 assists. For me it's a clear position that requires upgrading. He just doesn't affect games enough even with two strikers who he should thrive when feeding. I think he had some really good games for us. Lacks end product and overall was a little dissapointing but not giving up on him. In the championship, not 1 I think we urgently need to replace. 3
saintant Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 11 hours ago, Dr Who? said: I do think we need to get the players we want signed up done quickly, which seems to be the plan, as I do fear that the wheels will come off a little of this siege mentality when a ban for Tonda comes through. Will be interested to see how we handle that one. I presume it will be 6 months from the time the ban comes in, so as it stands he would be back November. I hope the FA get it sorted and do not announce it a week before the start to the season. Is this purely guesswork or have you an inside track to the FA and know their decision?
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 16 minutes ago, Dman said: I think he had some really good games for us. Lacks end product and overall was a little dissapointing but not giving up on him. In the championship, not 1 I think we urgently need to replace. I like him as a player. There's something there to work with. Hopefully he can have a bit more of a productive impact this coming season
MarkSFC Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 hours ago, Saint_clark said: What's the general feeling about Fellows on here? 38 games, 0 goals, 5 assists. For me it's a clear position that requires upgrading. He just doesn't affect games enough even with two strikers who he should thrive when feeding. I think theres a decent player there. He was suppressed ina lot of the season by being used as a wing back and more defensive duties and lately from the bench a bit. If hes used as an attacking player consistently and given the freedom to express himself Im sure he will be a big player for us. We have seen plenty of moments of his skills. A good player who could become a great player.
Bakovnetski Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 hours ago, Saint_clark said: What's the general feeling about Fellows on here? 38 games, 0 goals, 5 assists. For me it's a clear position that requires upgrading. He just doesn't affect games enough even with two strikers who he should thrive when feeding. The truth is that he has been pretty consistent with getting to the line and getting a cross or the occasional cut-back in. Yes, maybe the % completion to a Saints player may be higher, but that could be worked on. The contributing factor here is that our strikers should be attacking where he puts the ball more to get some more product.
coalman Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 9 hours ago, Saint_clark said: What's the general feeling about Fellows on here? 38 games, 0 goals, 5 assists. For me it's a clear position that requires upgrading. He just doesn't affect games enough even with two strikers who he should thrive when feeding. Mixed feelings. He was one of the signings I was most excited about last summer (more so than Scienza at the time). On the one hand he does stretch play and get crosses in. At the start of the season Still was, inexplicably, playing him as a wing back with the pint sized Armstrong as a focal point so peppering the box with crosses to a centre forward who doesn't score headers didn't play to his strengths at all. Since Tonda came in he's been playing higher up the pitch with Larin/Stewart in the middle which is better but his confidence seems to be lacking a bit. The big downsides I see are his tendency to easily get knocked off the ball in dangerous areas and lack of composure when shooting. I'm an Edozie fan and think he would have created more from 38 games than Fellows has. Matsuki looked more of a threat when played out on the right and he's not really a winger who is going to get to the byline. If we're not going to commit to giving Edozie a run in the team then either Fellows needs to get his mojo back or we could use an upgrade. Edited 1 hour ago by coalman
Saint_clark Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 4 minutes ago, coalman said: Mixed feelings. He was one of the signings I was most excited about last summer (more so than Scienza at the time). On the one hand he does stretch play and get crosses in. At the start of the season Still was, inexplicably, playing him as a wing back with the pint sized Armstrong as a focal point so peppering the box with crosses to a centre forward who does score headers didn't play to his strengths at all. Since Tonda came in he's been playing higher up the pitch with Larin/Stewart in the middle which is better but his confidence seems to be lacking a bit. The big downsides I see are his tendency to easily get knocked off the ball in dangerous areas and lack of composure when shooting. I'm an Edozie fan and think he would have created more from 38 games than Fellows has. Matsuki looked more of a threat when played out on the right and he's not really a winger who is going to get to the byline. If we're not going to commit to giving Edozie a run in the team then either Fellows needs to get his mojo back or we could use an upgrade. I fully agree on Edozie, I think if you give him those 38 games then he ends up in double figures for goals and assists. Maybe that should be the answer - give Edozie the starting spot and let Fellows find his form without the pressure that comes with being first choice. 2
skintsaint Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Edozie plays coming in from the left, so not a like for like replacement. But it's a long season, especially if we have another cup run, so sure both will get their game time this season after SE was ignored for most of last. 2
Pwoite Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 11 hours ago, Badger said: I’d hope that the sole focus next season is seeking promotion, not prioritising the ‘pathway’ and game time for youngsters I’d totally agree, it’s ALL about promotion next season but equally we invest huge sums in the academy and that needs to be a production line, creating some opportunities. Now, that might mean Caribou Cup starts and Championship bench, and training with the first team squad, but it makes sense to develop the best from the U21s so that they are either first team regulars in time, or sold for a profit. We seem to have seven or eight youngsters who have had the chance already to play in a cup match. How many of these are potentially good enough to step up? And who are they?
Graziano94 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 33 minutes ago, goodymatt said: My biggest concern here is there is no suggesting of replacing Stewart..
goodymatt Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, Graziano94 said: My biggest concern here is there is no suggesting of replacing Stewart.. We definitely will if he doesn’t sign. Dragan has said in recent interviews we will replace players that move on. 2
Saint86 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 52 minutes ago, MarkSFC said: I think theres a decent player there. He was suppressed ina lot of the season by being used as a wing back and more defensive duties and lately from the bench a bit. If hes used as an attacking player consistently and given the freedom to express himself Im sure he will be a big player for us. We have seen plenty of moments of his skills. A good player who could become a great player. I agree. He had a disjointed season last year. Started off at wing back being played out of position in a poor side. Did he then lose confidence or pick up a knock? He seemed to fall in an out of the team going into our incredible run and struggled to recover. Regardless, he's definitely got the right attributes to be effective - his wing play is very dangerous and he's got a cracking cross and good engine. Hopefully we see more of him this coming season. 3
hypochondriac Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, Saint86 said: I agree. He had a disjointed season last year. Started off at wing back being played out of position in a poor side. Did he then lose confidence or pick up a knock? He seemed to fall in an out of the team going into our incredible run and struggled to recover. Regardless, he's definitely got the right attributes to be effective - his wing play is very dangerous and he's got a cracking cross and good engine. Hopefully we see more of him this coming season. I'm of the mind that we need to persevere with him and prioritise other positions. CM if Jander or Charles goes, Striker if Stewart goes, LM if Scienza goes and CB if THB goes. 2
Jack Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Regarding Fellows I think he actually looked at his best when played out of position by Still, but maybe the caveat to that is that everyone else looked absolutely shocking. There’s a player in there, just needs to find his confidence. If he cuts in and slots one in the far corner early in the season, maybe it’ll jolt him into life. Just needs a bit more variation to what he’s doing. Work on crossing low and hard from the right, and early crosses with his left if he cuts in rather than dribbling into traffic. I doubt that position will be high on the list to make expensive changes. 3
hypochondriac Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, Jack said: Regarding Fellows I think he actually looked at his best when played out of position by Still, but maybe the caveat to that is that everyone else looked absolutely shocking. There’s a player in there, just needs to find his confidence. If he cuts in and slots one in the far corner early in the season, maybe it’ll jolt him into life. Just needs a bit more variation to what he’s doing. Work on crossing low and hard from the right, and early crosses with his left if he cuts in rather than dribbling into traffic. I doubt that position will be high on the list to make expensive changes. We will have limited funds for strengthening. I'd rather put all our efforts into keeping as many of the players as possible.
revolution saint Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago I think Fellows is fine. He didn't have the best season and his form certainly dipped at the end but an upgrade on him wouldn't be a priority for me, especially if Matsuki stays as well. The frustrating thing for me is that he seemed to change his game and try and add some variation - instead of taking on his man and getting to the byline to cross he seemed to cut inside too much. Stuff that - he's probably the best in the division at crossing so stick with that. Not sure if he'd been told to cut inside more but I don't think he's at his most effective when he does it. 1
Patrick Bateman Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 7 minutes ago, Jack said: Regarding Fellows I think he actually looked at his best when played out of position by Still, but maybe the caveat to that is that everyone else looked absolutely shocking. There’s a player in there, just needs to find his confidence. If he cuts in and slots one in the far corner early in the season, maybe it’ll jolt him into life. Just needs a bit more variation to what he’s doing. Work on crossing low and hard from the right, and early crosses with his left if he cuts in rather than dribbling into traffic. I doubt that position will be high on the list to make expensive changes. Agree with most of that. I like Fellows and his dribbling at times was brilliant to watch, just want to see more end product which as you say, means crosses instead of trying to dribble most of the way to the goal. Pretty sure we'll see a better version next year, I hope so, seems like a decent guy. 1
St Chalet Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 11 hours ago, Matthew Le God said: It being a different governing body makes it not a precedent. It would only be a precedent if the FA had given out a ban for the offence. Also worth pointing out that international football is a part-time thing. Maybe you’d have 3 or 4 games in that time. Equivalent to a two week ban in the EFL 1
VectisSaint Posted 45 minutes ago Posted 45 minutes ago 1 hour ago, goodymatt said: Not sure what Bree extension has to do with the transfer window opening. The transfer window only affects the official registration of players nothing to stop contract extension being announced and signed before then. What's the long summer of defensive negotiations all about? Surely the only other defensive doubt is THB, Manning having already extended or announced intention. What has been notable is that no one seems to have mentioned Welington, hopefully we will retain him, defensively he is much better than Manning, but granted that since we changed to 4 at the back Manning has become a better option all round with his attacking contributions. Good to have two contenders at LB. 1
Saint Fan CaM Posted 16 minutes ago Posted 16 minutes ago 6 hours ago, Pilchards said: Thought this was the transfer thread? Yes Rasmus saying getting bums off the seats means Leo, the Spanish guy on the other wing is certainly that. Fellows just didn’t bring the excitement and the end result for me. Understand this from an attacking and goals scored POV, however his biggest useful contribution IMO was his ability to wriggle out of tight spaces in defence when under opposition high press and allow us to break forward. Pretty essential when our Armstrong was not there to drop deep. In that regard he played a big part in the success of the 2nd half of the season. 1
Oh no Mick Mills Posted 14 minutes ago Posted 14 minutes ago 45 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: Agree with most of that. I like Fellows and his dribbling at times was brilliant to watch, just want to see more end product which as you say, means crosses instead of trying to dribble most of the way to the goal. Pretty sure we'll see a better version next year, I hope so, seems like a decent guy. The bottom line is promotion..and we should be aiming for autos. Last season our right side attack combination of Fellows and Matsuki produced 4 goals and 6 assists in league games....that's simply not good enough if you want to get in the top 2...fine if you're happy to be playoff contenders. Will Smallbone got 6 goals and 4 assists in the 23/24 season and isn't good enough for us. Adam Armstrong got 21 goals and 13 assist from the right in 23/24. There's no room for sentiment or because he seems a nice guy..this is where we go wrong. I want end product or your out.
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