positivepete Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/mar/24/plymouth-argyle-loan-hope-blow Not guaranteed to finish the season........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 (edited) http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?27982-Plymouth-Argyle-and-impact-on-League-One-(latest-appointing-an-administrator Edited 28 March, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 MLG. Why are you so anal and so quick to point out when people are wrong? As for argyle, they are clearly going to last another handful of games They have been going bust for weeks, and they are still in talks with numerous potential buyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 anal hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I wish they'd hurry up and go to the wall. That'd mean we lose no points and wouldn't have a tricky away game at home park, whilst our rivals would all lose points. IMO them going out of existance would see us promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I wish they'd hurry up and go to the wall. That'd mean we lose no points and wouldn't have a tricky away game at home park, whilst our rivals would all lose points. IMO them going out of existance would see us promoted. Hope they survive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 It won't happen. Just the money-men playing brinkmanship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I wish they'd hurry up and go to the wall. That'd mean we lose no points and wouldn't have a tricky away game at home park, whilst our rivals would all lose points. IMO them going out of existance would see us promoted. What a short memory you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 It won't happen. Just the money-men playing brinkmanship. Exactly, every club that has gone into admin has had this "last game" nonsense, no one has anything to gain from them going under mid-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 The powers that be would not allow a club to cease exsistance in the middle of a season, it would cause too many problems and protest from other clubs over points removed etc. If you believe otherwise i'm afraid you are a tad simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 (edited) The powers that be would not allow a club to cease exsistance in the middle of a season, it would cause too many problems and protest from other clubs over points removed etc. If you believe otherwise i'm afraid you are a tad simple. Which "powers that be" can stop an administrator pulling the plug and liquidating? How exactly would they stop it happening? How could they without upsetting the other 71 Football League Clubs? Edited 28 March, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Which "powers that be" can stop an administrator pulling the plug and liquidating? How exactly would they stop it happening? How could they without upsetting the other 71 Football League Clubs? The fact that its never happened yet, but could have many times is conclusive enough, it would cause far too many problems for other clubs, it wont happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 The fact that its never happened yet, but could have many times is conclusive enough, it would cause far too many problems for other clubs, it wont happen. What a strange logic. By the same reasoning you might have said that, before we were placed in administration, the fact that we hadn't ever been placed in administration before but could have been was conclusive enough evidence that we wouldn't be. Until we were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 (edited) The fact that its never happened yet, but could have many times is conclusive enough, it would cause far too many problems for other clubs, it wont happen. That didn't answer any of my three questions. btw it has happened, a number of English football clubs have been liquidated recently. The "powers that be" didn't stop it happening. The Football League can't justify spending money to save Plymouth to the other 71 member clubs. Especially as it could be money down the drain if the club then goes under in the summer. Unlike Pompey there is no parachute payment to forward to Plymouth (a club with £13m of debt and no cash flow to fund the admin process). Edited 28 March, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Plymouth do appear to be in real trouble now. It's not debt that's killing them so much, but the fact that cash flow is negative. They can't cover their running costs, and going into administration to reduce the debt won't help that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 The fact that its never happened yet, but could have many times is conclusive enough, it would cause far too many problems for other clubs, it wont happen. Aldershot 1992. You first post was simplistic in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 The fact that its never happened yet, but could have many times is conclusive enough, it would cause far too many problems for other clubs, it wont happen. Why would it cause too many problems? Presumably there is a rule that says results are expunged. Everyone would be aware of it. Everyone knows Plymouth are in difficulties. The only ones to suffer would be fans who have booked trains etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Exactly, every club that has gone into admin has had this "last game" nonsense, no one has anything to gain from them going under mid-season. Well actually, we have. Not that I'd want it to happen though, perish the thought. Tut tut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 The powers that be would not allow a club to cease exsistance in the middle of a season, it would cause too many problems and protest from other clubs over points removed etc. If you believe otherwise i'm afraid you are a tad simple. Complete rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 What a short memory you have. I'm a right wing "i'm alright jack" Tory. Plymouth going pop helps Saints so i'd be delighted if they were sacrificed for the greater good of my club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Why would it cause too many problems? Presumably there is a rule that says results are expunged. Everyone would be aware of it. Everyone knows Plymouth are in difficulties. The only ones to suffer would be fans who have booked trains etc. And while we are thinking of the small inconvenience of a wasted train ticket or revelling in the glory it would bring to us let's conveniently forget about their fans who would lose their club. The players and employees who would find themselves out of work. Have you, and others, forgotten where we were with our club back in 2008/9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 I think they will survive the season... BUT if they don't..how would that affect the points tally of clubs who've already played them, if their record is expunged ? We lost our home game ..so we "lose " nothing, but what about Brighton, Huddf'd, Peterboro', MK Dons and Bournemouth? some of them have probably played Argyle twice already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 A quick look shows they lost to Brighton twice (-6 for them then), Lost to Bmouth twice (-6) lost to Peterborough once (-3 with a game yet to play) lost to Huddersfield once and won once (-3) beat MK Dons once and one yet to play (0) and beat us once with one to play (0) So with Brighton and Bmouth losing 6, Pborough losing 3 and Hudders losing 3 it would pretty much definately promote us and also give us a decent chance of chasing Brighton! Not a nice way to go about winning though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 tbh I got so impatient I looked it up myself. Brighton and B'mouth beat them twice and would lose 6 points each. Huddf'd won once and lost once - lose 3 points as would do 'Boro. Saints and MK Dons both lost to them once and therefore lose nothing . A table revised (as of today ) would look like this. Brighton 74 Hudd'f'd 67 SAINTS 65 MK Dons 65 Peterb'o 63 B'mouth 59 only a little better for us and tough on those teams who have still yet to play them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 (edited) Not a nice way to go about winning though. Playing devil's advocate...you could say that the the Plymouth team that beat Saints on the opening day was one they shouldn't have had (and should have sold in the summer rather than January) and couldn't afford, along with the £500k they spent on a new pitch in the summer. Edited 28 March, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 tbh I got so impatient I looked it up myself. Brighton and B'mouth beat them twice and would lose 6 points each. Huddf'd won once and lost once - lose 3 points as would do 'Boro. Saints and MK Dons both lost to them once and therefore lose nothing . A table revised (as of today ) would look like this. Brighton 74 Hudd'f'd 67 SAINTS 65 MK Dons 65 Peterb'o 63 B'mouth 59 only a little better for us and tough on those teams who have still yet to play them again. Include the games played and it shows Saints in a strong position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 (edited) Brighton 35 74 Hudd 37 67 Saints 35 65 Dons 38 65 P'Boro 36 63 Orient 37 57 Bmuff 36 56 In a 44 match season - Interestingly Orient have not played Plymouth yet so slip into the playoff positions Edited 28 March, 2011 by Trader Forgot orient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Personally I hope they survive even though their demise would greatly benefit our cause. It would set a very dangerous precedent if the FL were to get involved in order to 'prop up' any club that suffers financial difficulties and considers administration. Doing so could even encourange some clubs to look beyond thier means in order to strive for something that they do not have the asetts to achieve - thus making the whole football/money situation considerably worse than it currently is. Having been through it ourselves, we should all have sympathy with the staff and fans of Plymouth, but the FL rules are in place, and unfortunately they will have to abide by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 It has happened Maidstone United, Accrington Stanley to name but two. I think there have been more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR Boy Saint Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 The powers that be would not allow a club to cease exsistance in the middle of a season, it would cause too many problems and protest from other clubs over points removed etc. If you believe otherwise i'm afraid you are a tad simple. Is that what Wall Street said about Lehman Brothers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Didnt it happen to Chester City ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 A quick look shows they lost to Brighton twice (-6 for them then), Lost to Bmouth twice (-6) lost to Peterborough once (-3 with a game yet to play) lost to Huddersfield once and won once (-3) beat MK Dons once and one yet to play (0) and beat us once with one to play (0) So with Brighton and Bmouth losing 6, Pborough losing 3 and Hudders losing 3 it would pretty much definately promote us and also give us a decent chance of chasing Brighton! Not a nice way to go about winning though. So as I've said before, I don't want them to go bust, but if they are going to anyway let's hope it happens before the season ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 It has happened Maidstone United, Accrington Stanley to name but two. I think there have been more. Maidstone went pop before the season began. But AS did go mid season and according to Wiki they were the second team to do it, I don't know who were the first. It wasn't Bradford PA, New Brighton, Darwen or Thames, so I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 plymouth wont go pop...some bloke from japan and a property developer are in talk apparenlty......like always, they will play the waiting game till they are "hours" from going pop to get the best price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Maidstone went pop before the season began. But AS did go mid season and according to Wiki they were the second team to do it, I don't know who were the first. It wasn't Bradford PA, New Brighton, Darwen or Thames, so I give up. New Brighton Tower, 1898-1901 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_Football_League_clubs In the Conference Newport County, Scarborough, Halifax Town and Chester City have all gone bankrupt within a season or two of relegation from the League in the last 25 years, the circumstances without fail being that the team got very bad due to financial problems before the finances completely caved in - the only difference with Aldershot and Maidstone was that their finances caved in whilst the team was still in the league. It can happen, and the League has absolutely no control over it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkySaint Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 And new irrigation. I should know, I work for the firm who installed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkySaint Posted 28 March, 2011 Share Posted 28 March, 2011 Playing devil's advocate...you could say that the the Plymouth team that beat Saints on the opening day was one they shouldn't have had (and should have sold in the summer rather than January) and couldn't afford, along with the £500k they spent on a new pitch in the summer. I'm quoting from this in my above post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 The same fella who told me about the game being called off weeks in advance has told me this morning that neither of the two potential buyers are interested in running a football club. They are simply property developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 The same fella who told me about the game being called off weeks in advance has told me this morning that neither of the two potential buyers are interested in running a football club. They are simply property developers. They are developers... What have you heard about argiggle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 plymouth wont go pop...some bloke from japan and a property developer are in talk apparenlty......like always, they will play the waiting game till they are "hours" from going pop to get the best price Are Plymuff a PLC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 They are developers... What have you heard about argiggle? Legal wrangling over value of the land compared to the value of the four mortgages on Home Park. Administrator has been told that the deal is for the land and not the football club. I have no reason to doubt the truth of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 The same fella who told me about the game being called off weeks in advance has told me this morning that neither of the two potential buyers are interested in running a football club. They are simply property developers. Legal wrangling over value of the land compared to the value of the four mortgages on Home Park. Administrator has been told that the deal is for the land and not the football club. I have no reason to doubt the truth of this. Both of those are hardly secrets, was in the Plymouth Evening Herald last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 My cousin who is a Plymouth fan tells me we have beaten Fulham to the signing of their youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 March, 2011 Share Posted 29 March, 2011 My cousin who is a Plymouth fan tells me we have beaten Fulham to the signing of their youngsters. Jack Stephens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 Another blow to the Janners. They are fast running out of options. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/12921801.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 My cousin who is a Plymouth fan tells me we have beaten Fulham to the signing of their youngsters. All of them....? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 It needs a club to go under during the season for some idiots to wake up and realise football isn't some separate fantasy business where money will always come in and save the day. Already on this thread we have 'it hasn't happened so it won't happen' and 'the powers that be won't let it happen'. Logic seems to be in short supply. The powers that be have effectively relegated Plymouth already, that could finish them off. I do hope a club goes under soon, but not Plymouth. Forgetting rivalry, it should have been Pompey as they deserved if for the cheating. Maybe it still will be, but until then clubs and fans will continue to operate under the same ridiculous assumptions it seems. Lets hope you don't get your wish a Adey, You never know it might just be SFC, As for Dune,,,,Spoken like a womens pee thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 My cousin who is a Plymouth fan tells me we have beaten Fulham to the signing of their youngsters. All of them....? ;-) Well we have just let all of ours go haven't we! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 Interesting conundrum for Saints. Do we spend money on Jack Stephens, which could help Argyle through to the season's end, or do we not sign him now (& try to sign him as a free agent if they went bust) which would also enhance our auto promotion prospects??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 March, 2011 Share Posted 31 March, 2011 Interesting conundrum for Saints. Do we spend money on Jack Stephens' date=' which could help Argyle through to the season's end, or do we not sign him now (& try to sign him as a free agent if they went bust) which would also enhance our auto promotion prospects???[/quote'] I doesn't really matter, he's just a kid and we have far far better for the time being. If we want to help them out of their iffy patch then we should do it. I'd be interested to know why he turned Fulham down though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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