alpine_saint Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 I think this is far from done. I'm half expecting Spurs to come in with a late bid. I know he's said he wants CL football but stranger things have happened. Levy can go f**k himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 He looked as miserable as f**k tonight, imo. How can a Manyoo official have promised him that ? Surely we havent given permission to talk because a fee isnt set. Surely it has been set. Man U will know what they need to offer Saints to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 Surely it has been set. Man U will know what they need to offer Saints to get him. But they havent, to the best of our knowledge, agreed to pay it. Manyoo are looking down at us, and our weakness to fend off the likes of Liverpool and Spurs, and thinking they can push us around. And I am sure the animosity between LVG and Ronald isnt helping either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 But they havent, to the best of our knowledge, agreed to pay it. No, but they will know whether they intend to pay it. If they have decided to meet Saints asking price the rest would be pretty much a formality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 When the price is right he will be allowed to go, but not before. Starting to **** me off the willingness of saints fans to get players out the door even if it means losing millions of pounds. Because we need to build and plan for our forthcoming season - that's having a pre season with the players that are going to be playing for us next season. Plus how many of our first choices could we be missing out on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 When the price is right he will be allowed to go, but not before. Starting to **** me off the willingness of saints fans to get players out the door even if it means losing millions of pounds. Er, thought I did say if the price is right? Obviously if it ain't, he has to put up & shut up until we get an acceptable bid. But once one us received, a quick move is best so replacements get the maximum time to gel with the group & have a proper pre season with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Anyway new talks between the clubs today being rumoured in some rag or other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Anyway new talks between the clubs today being rumoured in some rag or other. Yeah, came out last night. Let's get this done and dusted so we can move on, before all our top targets are elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Yeah, came out last night. Let's get this done and dusted so we can move on, before all our top targets are elsewhere. Yep, need to get the funds in to get a first choice CB and CM, £15m each should get us a couple of decent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Yep, need to get the funds in to get a first choice CB and CM, £15m each should get us a couple of decent players. Doubt we will bring in two 15 million players and frankly given our success rate in that price bracket I's rather we didn't 8 million or so should see us a decent centre back and I'm expecting a similar amount for a midfielder. then we will add one or two younger others to bulk the squad and give us potential for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Get the impression that the board will probably get fussed into accepting a lower bid near the end of the window by a take it or leave it bid with the knowledge he will be into the last year of his contract next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 (edited) Doubt we will bring in two 15 million players and frankly given our success rate in that price bracket I's rather we didn't 8 million or so should see us a decent centre back and I'm expecting a similar amount for a midfielder. then we will add one or two younger others to bulk the squad and give us potential for the future. Probably not two but could well see a 10m defender and a 15m midfielder if Morgan goes for 25m Edited 9 July, 2015 by Saint_Ash meant midfielder not striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Probably not two but could well see a 10m defender and a 15m striker if Morgan goes for 25m More like a £10m defender and a £15m midfielder, I would hope. I don't think we will be signing another striker. If we are going to play 4-3-3 then we have: Pelle Rodriguez Long Mane Juanmi Tadic Ramirez Gallagher competing for 3 spots. That's 3 from 8. Even if you say that Tadic, Ramirez or Juanmi might play more as a supporting forward as one of the midfield 3 that still leaves Pelle, Rodriguez, Long and Mane competing for three places with Gallagher and other academy prospects on stand-by. I don't think we can really justify spending £15million on another striker unless they are a clear upgrade on Pelle or unless Pelle is keen to leave for some reason. The current personnel are capable of covering Pelle's absence (whether enforced or tactical) without weakening the team signifcantly - and in fact, away from home in particular, a front three of Mane, Rodriguez and Juanmi/Long could be pretty useful. We would be better placed spending that money on a midfielder because if Morgan goes then we are a Big Vic injury or suspension away from looking pretty vulnerable in midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 More like a £10m defender and a £15m midfielder, I would hope. I don't think we will be signing another striker. If we are going to play 4-3-3 then we have: Pelle Rodriguez Long Mane Juanmi Tadic Ramirez Gallagher competing for 3 spots. That's 3 from 8. Even if you say that Tadic, Ramirez or Juanmi might play more as a supporting forward as one of the midfield 3 that still leaves Pelle, Rodriguez, Long and Mane competing for three places with Gallagher and other academy prospects on stand-by. I don't think we can really justify spending £15million on another striker unless they are a clear upgrade on Pelle or unless Pelle is keen to leave for some reason. The current personnel are capable of covering Pelle's absence (whether enforced or tactical) without weakening the team signifcantly - and in fact, away from home in particular, a front three of Mane, Rodriguez and Juanmi/Long could be pretty useful. We would be better placed spending that money on a midfielder because if Morgan goes then we are a Big Vic injury or suspension away from looking pretty vulnerable in midfield. Sorry, I meant midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 He looked as miserable as f**k tonight, imo. To be fair he looks me never looks the happiest at the best of times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Er' date=' thought I did say if the price is right? Obviously if it ain't, he has to put up & shut up until we get an acceptable bid. But once one us received, a quick move is best so replacements get the maximum time to gel with the group & have a proper pre season with us.[/quote'] you did, but my point was that saying the `time has come for both parties to move on' is meaningless. The pace of the move is determined by how quickly United get to our valuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Because we need to build and plan for our forthcoming season - that's having a pre season with the players that are going to be playing for us next season. Plus how many of our first choices could we be missing out on? the players to replace him have been identified. They will know that the move is dependant on Morgan going. If they fancy coming here they won't make a decision to go elsewhere now, they will bide their time to ensure they get the best deal. I don't buy in too much to needing to have a pre-season with us. Good players will slot in almost instantly. Better to get a better player late then a lessor player early. In short, lets hold out for the full £30m. Morgan is top notch and we should get top dollar for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 the players to replace him have been identified. They will know that the move is dependant on Morgan going. If they fancy coming here they won't make a decision to go elsewhere now, they will bide their time to ensure they get the best deal. I don't buy in too much to needing to have a pre-season with us. Good players will slot in almost instantly. Better to get a better player late then a lessor player early. In short, lets hold out for the full £30m. Morgan is top notch and we should get top dollar for him. So you think there is a run of top drawer midfielders around Europe just sitting around, turning down moves to other clubs, just waiting for Saints to sell their current midfielder, even if that happens in the middle of August? Read any manager's comments, they always stress the importance of pre-season to gel a team and bring their players together, I've never heard the suggestion it doesn't matter before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 So you think there is a run of top drawer midfielders around Europe just sitting around, turning down moves to other clubs, just waiting for Saints to sell their current midfielder, even if that happens in the middle of August? Read any manager's comments, they always stress the importance of pre-season to gel a team and bring their players together, I've never heard the suggestion it doesn't matter before. I suspect Clasie is doing just that, in fact his recent comments: "I have read Koeman's comments. If Schneilderlin leaves, we will see." With regards to pre-season, Toby joined last day of August. He slotted in immediately. Football is a very simple game. Top players don't need weeks of preseason to know how to play. The side as a whole, yes, but not individual players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 So you think there is a run of top drawer midfielders around Europe just sitting around, turning down moves to other clubs, just waiting for Saints to sell their current midfielder, even if that happens in the middle of August? Read any manager's comments, they always stress the importance of pre-season to gel a team and bring their players together, I've never heard the suggestion it doesn't matter before. completely agree. though mane and toby didn't have a pre season and toby started very well (mane took a few games to come out the woodwork) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 completely agree. though mane and toby didn't have a pre season and toby started very well (mane took a few games to come out the woodwork) Good players can still play well - they're good players. Doesn't stop a good pre-season being very useful, the amount of quotes attesting to that are clear. Alderweireld himself stressed the importance of having a proper pre-season with a club this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 I suspect Clasie is doing just that, in fact his recent comments: "I have read Koeman's comments. If Schneilderlin leaves, we will see." With regards to pre-season, Toby joined last day of August. He slotted in immediately. Football is a very simple game. Top players don't need weeks of preseason to know how to play. The side as a whole, yes, but not individual players. Is Classie our first and only choice of CM? Will he still be saying the same come the middle of August? See above for comments on pre-season; the amount of quotes stressing its importance is more than long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Is Classie our first and only choice of CM? Will he still be saying the same come the middle of August? See above for comments on pre-season; the amount of quotes stressing its importance is more than long enough. It is, and yet after meltdown last summer we started with half a new team and looked like world beaters until Christmas. So while I agree that it would be better to have the whole squad settled by mid July, it rarely works out that way. Footballers are quite set in their ways, they like certainty, and pre-season helps set routines. But really good players can come in and perform from the word go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Is Classie our first and only choice of CM?Yes...ok, so I don't know, but that quote from Clasie suggests he has been sounded out, his agent has been primed and he knows the score. He will sit tight and wait for the Morgan deal to conclude. He, like us knows it will happen. United won't walk away from this deal, they will just drag their feet before stumping up the figure we wanted all along. The club certainly has no reason to try and rush it through if it means a smaller fee. Personally I'd prefer us to try and price him out of the market, he's that good a player. I've not seen Clasie, but he will have to be mint for us to not go backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 More like a £10m defender and a £15m midfielder, I would hope. I don't think we will be signing another striker. If we are going to play 4-3-3 then we have: Pelle Rodriguez Long Mane Juanmi Tadic Ramirez Gallagher competing for 3 spots. That's 3 from 8. Even if you say that Tadic, Ramirez or Juanmi might play more as a supporting forward as one of the midfield 3 that still leaves Pelle, Rodriguez, Long and Mane competing for three places with Gallagher and other academy prospects on stand-by. I don't think we can really justify spending £15million on another striker unless they are a clear upgrade on Pelle or unless Pelle is keen to leave for some reason. The current personnel are capable of covering Pelle's absence (whether enforced or tactical) without weakening the team signifcantly - and in fact, away from home in particular, a front three of Mane, Rodriguez and Juanmi/Long could be pretty useful. We would be better placed spending that money on a midfielder because if Morgan goes then we are a Big Vic injury or suspension away from looking pretty vulnerable in midfield. I think we will sign 3 more players, 1 x CB and 2 x CMs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Surprised nothing else has been reported on this since the Mail article last night.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Surprised nothing else has been reported on this since the Mail article last night.... Not me, the gap is pretty wide apparently and it's the Mail.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33464494 Hints that Bastian Schweinsteiger is perhaps tempted by Man U. Perhaps explains why man u are dragging their feet Schweinsteiger is allegedly their first choice over Morgan. Wonder how Morgan will react if no one ends up wanting him? I think in his mind he was all but signed for Arsenal at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Yes...ok, so I don't know, but that quote from Clasie suggests he has been sounded out, his agent has been primed and he knows the score. He will sit tight and wait for the Morgan deal to conclude. He, like us knows it will happen. United won't walk away from this deal, they will just drag their feet before stumping up the figure we wanted all along. The club certainly has no reason to try and rush it through if it means a smaller fee. Personally I'd prefer us to try and price him out of the market, he's that good a player. I've not seen Clasie, but he will have to be mint for us to not go backwards. Koeman told Clasie that he is not the only option when Schneiderlin leaves so if another club comes in and Clasie believes it's the right club (like Porto last year) he feels free to move elsewhere. Considering your remark about good players slotting in almost immediately: in that case Clasie will not live up to your expectations and it would be better for him to move elsewhere as he will need some time to adjust to the PL. Just like Tadic or Djuricic need... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 I think the problem for Morgan and for us is that he is a very good player who probably hasnt reached his peak yet but may not have much improvement left and is not a regular starting international. This means that there are others who are as good or better and I think its unlikely that a foreign club will be willing to pay any more than 15-20m for him. Therefore unless Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea or City are willing to pay 25m+ we seem unlikely to sell. I hope he goes and we get thst sort of miney and buy a couple to replace him - Clasie and Wijnuldrum (or whatever his name is) seem like the ideal scenario! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Considering your remark about good players slotting in almost immediately: in that case Clasie will not live up to your expectations and it would be better for him to move elsewhere as he will need some time to adjust to the PL. Just like Tadic or Djuricic need... are you saying Clasie is not a good player so won't shine immediately, or are you saying he is a good player but will need time to find his feet in a different league? Not sure I follow you. Tadic was up to speed immediately. Mind you he had a preseason. With Djuricic I would say it was more about his lack of fitness than needing to find his feet in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33464494 Hints that Bastian Schweinsteiger is perhaps tempted by Man U. Perhaps explains why man u are dragging their feet Schweinsteiger is allegedly their first choice over Morgan. Wonder how Morgan will react if no one ends up wanting him? I think in his mind he was all but signed for Arsenal at the end of the season. United sign Schweinsteiger, we keep Morgan. Happy days. Simple as that, unless of course Arsenal come back with a £25m offer. Isn't Schweinsteiger ageing though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 United sign Schweinsteiger, we keep Morgan. Happy days. Simple as that, unless of course Arsenal come back with a £25m offer. Isn't Schweinsteiger ageing though? united have more money than god. does not matter if he will have no re-sale value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 United sign Schweinsteiger, we keep Morgan. Happy days. Simple as that, unless of course Arsenal come back with a £25m offer. Isn't Schweinsteiger ageing though? Schweinsteiger is 30 I think. I don't think Arsenal have really ever been interested in Morgan they've never made a bid for him in six years doubt they will now at the money we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 United sign Schweinsteiger, we keep Morgan. Happy days. Simple as that, unless of course Arsenal come back with a £25m offer. Isn't Schweinsteiger ageing though? I wouldn't think resale value is ever really on the minds of Utd/Chelsea/City/Madrid etc. Here and now is what they want/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Schweinsteiger is 30 I think. I don't think Arsenal have really ever been interested in Morgan they've never made a bid for him in six years doubt they will now at the money we want. They don't need to be interested in him though, all they have to do is recall him from us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 They don't need to be interested in him though, all they have to do is recall him from us. Lol after all AW only loaned him to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Surprised nothing else has been reported on this since the Mail article last night.... When it's quiet that's when things are generally being sorted esp with SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 My big fear is that if United do get their number one target Morgan has left himself relying on Arsenal and Wenger, the way they operate they will come in during the last days of the window and we will be stuffed! i still believe he will end up at Arsenal, what would be funny is if United do sign Morgan then get Schweinsteiger afterwards. Morgan to United just doesn't feel right to me, they just look to be hedging their bets and watching and hoping Schweinsteiger gives them the green light.......then again I believed Clarkey when he kept saying Spurs and Toby didn't feel right !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 My big fear is that if United do get their number one target Morgan has left himself relying on Arsenal and Wenger, the way they operate they will come in during the last days of the window and we will be stuffed! i still believe he will end up at Arsenal, what would be funny is if United do sign Morgan then get Schweinsteiger afterwards. Morgan to United just doesn't feel right to me, they just look to be hedging their bets and watching and hoping Schweinsteiger gives them the green light.......then again I believed Clarkey when he kept saying Spurs and Toby didn't feel right !! There was and still is something fishy about all of that! But that's water under the bridge now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 United officials were down in southampton today - the difference in valuation isn't huge, considering they've made only one offer. If United don't match our valuation, we will almost certainly compromise given lack of outside suitors. IMO, he'll be a United player by the end of next week, if not earlier in light of their US tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 i still believe he will end up at Arsenal, what would be funny is if United do sign Morgan then get Schweinsteiger afterwards. I don't believe that will happen. In my opinion they will not move on Morgan until the Schweinsteiger issue is resolved. Bastian is their first choice and he is still apparently considering a move (last week it sounded like he was not moving). If they do get BS they will not go for Morgan. Then unless Arsenal come in he will probably not be going anywhere. In my view there is a still a decent chance that he will not leave this summer, which would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 I would be surprised if we do any dealing with Spurs ever again Atletico, maybe. Not sure what Spurs have done wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 if manyoo sign Schweinsteiger, i'd expect Levy to come sniffing again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 are you saying Clasie is not a good player so won't shine immediately, or are you saying he is a good player but will need time to find his feet in a different league? Not sure I follow you. Tadic was up to speed immediately. Mind you he had a preseason. With Djuricic I would say it was more about his lack of fitness than needing to find his feet in the Prem. The latter: Clasie is a good player but he will be needing 3 or 4 months playing time to adapt to the team and the PL, I can hear the comments already: "he's sh*ite" etc. So it will be a step back from Schneiderlin in the beginning and the question is if the fans will grant him the time needed. I know Koeman will but you know how it works sometimes. Tadic could fall back on his technical skills in the beginning but got problems because he wasn't used to the pace and many games at a high level in the PL. He had an easy life playing in the Eredivisie... Djuricic wasn't fit enough for the PL from the beginning and therefore needed more time to cope with the pace and the power, just like Clasie will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 if manyoo sign Schweinsteiger, i'd expect Levy to come sniffing again.... Morgan wants CL. Spuds will also not pay 27m for Morgan. They can sniff all they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 (edited) if manyoo sign Schweinsteiger, i'd expect Levy to come sniffing again.... Too good for them -however much he wants to move, he knows it as well. Edited 9 July, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 He looked as miserable as f**k tonight, imo. How can a Manyoo official have promised him that ? Surely we havent given permission to talk because a fee isnt set. Ive never been convinced by Monks "ITK" status. He seems to say alot without ever really saying anything. Hes been that way for 2 years now. Not seen anything from him that 1) comes true or 2) hasnt been in the papers for weeks The comments on Spider again seem completely made up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 At training today Schneiderlin was the perfect professional and did everything with a smile on his face. Please stop making up such rubbish that he's unhappy. Yes he wants to play CL, but he also respects the situation and more importantly Ronald Koeman and Southampton FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 July, 2015 Share Posted 9 July, 2015 Ive never been convinced by Monks "ITK" status. He seems to say alot without ever really saying anything. Hes been that way for 2 years now. Not seen anything from him that 1) comes true or 2) hasnt been in the papers for weeks The comments on Spider again seem completely made up 2.7/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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