Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Brendan O’Neill, spot on again. 

The great irony of the current liberal fury with Trump and some of his supporters for casting aspersions on the 2020 election is that these same liberals did far worse things to democracy over the past four years. They make Trump look like a rank amateur when it comes to throwing a temper tantrum over a democratic outcome. Their temper tantrum lasted for four years. In the US, the elites went berserk, fantasising that evil Ruskies seized victory from Hillary. In the UK, the Remainer elites used every trick in the book – from court cases to parliamentary intrigue to gatherings of vast numbers of middle-class anti-democrats in the streets – to try to prevent the enactment of 17.4million votes for Brexit. Their criticisms of Trump’s behaviour are laughably hypocritical.

Hard to disagree with that either. Both sides have been pretty awful that's why the best hope is that Biden does become some sort of unifying and moderating force. 

[Tamesaint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I mean voter fraud probably did occur (it's not without precedent at all during elections in America) but not on any sort of scale where it would have affected the result. 

... and of course it is only the Democrats who commit election fraud. Republicans are whiter than white and have no dead people voting for them.

Mind you, Republicans are so adept at gerrymandering they probably do not have to commit electoral fraud. eg The Republican controlled state of Texas positioned just 1 voter drop off box  to ease early voting in the largely Democratic city of Houston. 1 drop off box for a population of over 4 million!!

[LVSaint]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I mean voter fraud probably did occur (it's not without precedent at all during elections in America) but not on any sort of scale where it would have affected the result. 

The best we can go on, is to look to investigations of voter fraud carried out in recent years. Carried out by a wide range of groups, the conclusions were in the region of 1 to every 100,000-150,000.

[aintforever]

22 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

That makes voter fraud ok then. Provided someone wins by a lot, who cares if it’s proven dead people voted. 

Of course it’s not ok but I expect if you investigate every election ever held you will find some examples in every one. Trump’s claims that the election was stolen are just laughable when you look at the numbers involved. There just needs to be a smooth transition then look at the voting process ahead of next time.

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Brendan O’Neill, spot on again. 

The great irony of the current liberal fury with Trump and some of his supporters for casting aspersions on the 2020 election is that these same liberals did far worse things to democracy over the past four years. They make Trump look like a rank amateur when it comes to throwing a temper tantrum over a democratic outcome. Their temper tantrum lasted for four years. In the US, the elites went berserk, fantasising that evil Ruskies seized victory from Hillary. In the UK, the Remainer elites used every trick in the book – from court cases to parliamentary intrigue to gatherings of vast numbers of middle-class anti-democrats in the streets – to try to prevent the enactment of 17.4million votes for Brexit. Their criticisms of Trump’s behaviour are laughably hypocritical.

Ruskies- you are a caricature pal.  

[hypochondriac]

33 minutes ago, LVSaint said:

The best we can go on, is to look to investigations of voter fraud carried out in recent years. Carried out by a wide range of groups, the conclusions were in the region of 1 to every 100,000-150,000.

So you just agreed with my post then (albeit there is potential for a slightly higher instance given the amount of postal ballots this time around.)

[LVSaint]

32 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

So you just agreed with my post then (albeit there is potential for a slightly higher instance given the amount of postal ballots this time around.)

Yes I agreed; just backing up your point about how rare voter fraud is.

Six times more people voted by mail this time, bound to be a few more dodgy votes.

Edited 8 November, 2020 by LVSaint

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Of course it’s not ok but I expect if you investigate every election ever held you will find some examples in every one. Trump’s claims that the election was stolen are just laughable when you look at the numbers involved. There just needs to be a smooth transition then look at the voting process ahead of next time.

Isn't he aiming for 'reasonable doubt'?

Prove that voter fraud happened - not that difficult as you could easily create the fraud yourself and vote in the name of a dead person - then cast doubt on the whole system.  It won't go anywhere, but he can certainly 'muddy' the waters.

[buctootim]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The same id you need to attend Labour Party events. 

People who don't have that ID cant vote? You're selecting who can vote? A bit like Trump. Pick off the poor and the marginalised because they wont vote for you anyway. Very democratic  

[CB Fry]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Brendan O’Neill, spot on again. 

The great irony of the current liberal fury with Trump and some of his supporters for casting aspersions on the 2020 election is that these same liberals did far worse things to democracy over the past four years. They make Trump look like a rank amateur when it comes to throwing a temper tantrum over a democratic outcome. Their temper tantrum lasted for four years. In the US, the elites went berserk, fantasising that evil Ruskies seized victory from Hillary. In the UK, the Remainer elites used every trick in the book – from court cases to parliamentary intrigue to gatherings of vast numbers of middle-class anti-democrats in the streets – to try to prevent the enactment of 17.4million votes for Brexit. Their criticisms of Trump’s behaviour are laughably hypocritical.

That's funny because I don't quite remember David Cameron publicly challenging the vote or the integrity of the result on the day after the referendum. Do please point me in the direction of when he did that. Or Stuart Rose head of the Stronger In campaign. Or Alan Johnson who lead the Labour remain campaign.

I guess one of those people must have said something like "if you count only the legal votes, we win easily". They must have because it's the same as Trump so must be that I just can't remember that they definitely said that. They must have sent lawyers out to a press conference to accuse the whole thing of being a fraud the following day. They must have, but of course I can't remember.

But Brenda O'Neill has done a thing and the Guido-ette retards have swallowed it up so yeah it must  have happened because it's exactly the same innit.

Edited 8 November, 2020 by CB Fry

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 minutes ago, buctootim said:

People who don't have that ID cant vote? You're selecting who can vote? A bit like Trump. Pick off the poor and the marginalised because they wont vote for you anyway. Very democratic  

People who don’t have that ID can’t attend Labour Party meetings or events. 
 

I don’t believe for one minute that the “poor & marginalised” don’t have ID. How on earth do they get by?  You have to prove who you are to rent a house, so where do they live, in tents? How do the younger looking ones buy a drink, how do they get a job, how do they access benefits? Do they  just turn up and give their  address? 

[Sheaf Saint]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

People who don’t have that ID can’t attend Labour Party meetings or events. 
 

I don’t believe for one minute that the “poor & marginalised” don’t have ID. How on earth do they get by?  You have to prove who you are to rent a house, so where do they live, in tents? How do the younger looking ones buy a drink, how do they get a job, how do they access benefits? Do they  just turn up and give their  address? 

The only photo ID that many establishments will accept is either a driving licence or a passport.

You don't need to be a genius to work out that poor and marginalised people are less likely to hold at least one of these than more affluent people are.

[Tamesaint]

10 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

The only photo ID that many establishments will accept is either a driving licence or a passport.

You don't need to be a genius to work out that poor and marginalised people are less likely to hold at least one of these than more affluent people are.

 It is estimated that only 15% of Americans have passports. 

[rallyboy]

It's interesting to get beyond the claims and look into the alleged offences that Trump is hanging onto.

The major ones about sharpies, dead people, the sudden increase in figures and more people voting than live in states have all been fact-checked, explained and dismissed.

None of them appear to have any validity, but he's welcome to take it to court.

It'll be brief - and the real losers will be his legal team who probably won't get paid.

Losing the election was damaging, but it's his bizarre reaction that has killed any hopes of a return in four years.

[Hockey_saint]

12 hours ago, egg said:

So Trump’s fathers beliefs justify a Trump/Hitler comparison. I’m no Trump fan, but that’s a stretch.

If he didn't go out of his way at every opportunity to avoid blaming far right groups and kept blaming antifa then you may have a point but the link is obvious.

[Hockey_saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Ruskies- you are a caricature pal.  

I thought we'd all established that long ago.

[rallyboy]

He's running the same marketing strategy that's for sure....

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

The only photo ID that many establishments will accept is either a driving licence or a passport.

You don't need to be a genius to work out that poor and marginalised people are less likely to hold at least one of these than more affluent people are.

In 36 states it costs less than $20 for photo ID - many of those states also have 'hardship waivers'.  I'm not sure your statement is true....

http://sharedprosperityphila.org/documents/Revised-ID-Waiver-Appendices-5.15.15.pdf

[Tamesaint]

16 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

In 36 states it costs less than $20 for photo ID - many of those states also have 'hardship waivers'.  I'm not sure your statement is true....

http://sharedprosperityphila.org/documents/Revised-ID-Waiver-Appendices-5.15.15.pdf

 

Its not just the cost of the ID card that makes it difficult for marginalised people to obtain them.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

 

Its not just the cost of the ID card that makes it difficult for marginalised people to obtain them.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

We may never know since you posted a link to an article hidden behind a 'paywall'....

[Tamesaint]

25 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

We may never know since you posted a link to an article hidden behind a 'paywall'....

It lets you browse a few articles for free. That's what I did.

[Hockey_saint]

This is brilliant  I never knew the hamburglar was an antifa operative!  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/09/trump-voter-hotline-inundated-by-prank-calls

[Weston Super Saint]

56 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

It lets you browse a few articles for free. That's what I did.

Got it now, but what a load of waffle!

The first story is about a man who doesn't have the correct paperwork so he employs 'several' lawyers to track it down (who knows how much that cost), he then discovers he needs to change his name in court which will cost around $250 which he refuses to pay!

Then there's a quote from a lawyer stating :

Quote

A lot of people don’t realize what it takes to obtain an ID without the proper identification and papers

Which makes sense doesn't it - legally you would want to ensure that EVERYONE has the legal right to vote and the only way to do that is with appropriate papers!

Then there's a story about someone who had a mistake on their birth certificate where an 'E' was added instead of an 'A'.  This problem was resolved.

Finally there's a story about a woman whose name doesn't match what is on her birth certificate so she's going to legally change her name.  Isn't that what we also have in the UK, if you want to change your name you need to do it legally if you want to vote, by deed poll.  Otherwise you won't legally 'exist'.

I didn't find anything in that article that specifically denies people from any background obtaining ID.  It does state that people need to have the correct documents to do it, like a birth certificate, but that's the same the world over isn't it?  Try applying for a passport without a birth certificate in the UK and see how far you get.  Try applying for a (legitimate) job in the UK without proving you have the right to work and see how you get on.

I'm not sure 3 stories from Texas prove that marginalised people can't obtain an ID card in the US.

[CB Fry]

The most sophisticated voter fraud in history turns out to be people turning up at election counts in branded Biden/Harris vans to drop off fake ballots. That's definitely what happened.

Also, his follow-up tweet is a request for money. Get contributing lads, stick it to them pinkos.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

 

Its not just the cost of the ID card that makes it difficult for marginalised people to obtain them.

 

When I lived in FLA you had to have photo ID & it was an offence (under a vagrancy act I believe ) not to carry some form. There weren’t loads of “marginalised” people being charged over and over.

 

I also worked on the doors of a club and, the enforcement of the drinking age was far far stricter than it was in the uk. We checked everyone who looked under 30 and in my 4 years there, never once did someone not have photo ID on them. 
 

I don’t know about other States, but in Florida having photo ID is as normal as taking a piss. 

[Guided Missile]

There was no voter fraud, just a response to the behaviour of an egotist that proved deeply unpopular with many US voters. What has proved popular is the policies for which Trumpian Republican party stood. When the Covid tide retreats and we have 4 years to reflect on both the achievements of the Trump Presidency and the failure of an impotent Democratic party controlling a senile President, but not the Senate, to get anything meaningful done, we will see Conservatism triumph again. Firstly it will happen in a revitalised Britain, free of the EU shackles and with Corbyn's style of Socialism finally dead and buried. Then Trump will become the kingmaker in the Republican party, anointing a more media friendly candidate to initiate a UK/US alliance that will finally dominate the West for decade to come. 

We are about to enter a golden age of freedom from wokeism and socialist interference with personal liberty. Rejoice, for the battle was lost but the war will be won. 

[sadoldgit]

Hopefully Trump will find being a Kingmaker difficult as, if there is any justice, he will be behind bars.

As for Conservatism, surely both side are conservative? It’s just a question of how far right you want to go.

[Sheaf Saint]

 

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

There was no voter fraud, just a response to the behaviour of an egotist that proved deeply unpopular with many US voters.

You should have stopped typing here.

[Lighthouse]

4 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

There was no voter fraud, just a response to the behaviour of an egotist that proved deeply unpopular with many US voters. What has proved popular is the policies for which Trumpian Republican party stood. When the Covid tide retreats and we have 4 years to reflect on both the achievements of the Trump Presidency and the failure of an impotent Democratic party controlling a senile President, but not the Senate, to get anything meaningful done, we will see Conservatism triumph again. Firstly it will happen in a revitalised Britain, free of the EU shackles and with Corbyn's style of Socialism finally dead and buried. Then Trump will become the kingmaker in the Republican party, anointing a more media friendly candidate to initiate a UK/US alliance that will finally dominate the West for decade to come. 

We are about to enter a golden age of freedom from wokeism and socialist interference with personal liberty. Rejoice, for the battle was lost but the war will be won. 

I achieved full erection just reading that. Rule Britannia! 💂‍♀️

[aintforever]

Playing a blinder

[Mystic Force]

On the topic of ID, I have been attempting to get a new west virginia drivers license as I recently moved here, Iowa by comparison is very straightforward. First I had to try to get an appointment, there were none available in the county I reside in till mid January, so i got one in a town 1hr 20 min drive away on very twisty roads which induced my dog to start puking. When I get there with my bundle of paperwork from my just purchased house, I do not have the right paperwork to prove residency (because I dont have 2 utility bills yet or some such) So the next appointment I can get is in a different location still over an hour away in late December. Now I am not trying to vote, I am not a citizen. But if you have to drive to out of the way locations to get ID, and you don't have a car you are unlikely to bother.

Edited 9 November, 2020 by Mystic Force

[badgerx16]

Always somebdy looking to make a buck, bumper stickers $5.00

 

 

Edited 9 November, 2020 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

57 minutes ago, Mystic Force said:

On the topic of ID, I have been attempting to get a new west virginia drivers license as I recently moved here, Iowa by comparison is very straightforward. First I had to try to get an appointment, there were none available in the county I reside in till mid January, so i got one in a town 1hr 20 min drive away on very twisty roads which induced my dog to start puking. When I get there with my bundle of paperwork from my just purchased house, I do not have the right paperwork to prove residency (because I dont have 2 utility bills yet or some such) So the next appointment I can get is in a different location still over an hour away in late December. Now I am not trying to vote, I am not a citizen. But if you have to drive to out of the way locations to get ID, and you don't have a car you are unlikely to bother.

A couple of things...

1.  Is a dog a requirement for a driving licence?  If not, could you have left it at home?

2.  You didn't have to drive 1h 20 mins as you could have waited until mid January and taken the appointment there.

3.  If you don't have a car and are unlikely to bother to drive to out of the way locations, why the fuck do you need a driving licence?

4.  It's licence, not license  

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

4.  It's licence, not license  

It's the USA, they speak something approximating English. "Defense", "offense", "sidewalk", "aluminum".  ( I always wonder at the last of those, as they can manage "plutonium", "caesium", "uranium", etc ).

 

We should praise MF for undertaking his missionary work.

Edited 9 November, 2020 by badgerx16

[buctootim]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

We should praise MF for undertaking his missionary work.

 

West Virginia though. It's like going up the Orinoco with a spear 😁.  

[benjii]

2 hours ago, Mystic Force said:

On the topic of ID, I have been attempting to get a new west virginia drivers license as I recently moved here, Iowa by comparison is very straightforward. First I had to try to get an appointment, there were none available in the county I reside in till mid January, so i got one in a town 1hr 20 min drive away on very twisty roads which induced my dog to start puking. When I get there with my bundle of paperwork from my just purchased house, I do not have the right paperwork to prove residency (because I dont have 2 utility bills yet or some such) So the next appointment I can get is in a different location still over an hour away in late December. Now I am not trying to vote, I am not a citizen. But if you have to drive to out of the way locations to get ID, and you don't have a car you are unlikely to bother.

Sounds like a third world shit hole.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

A couple of things...

1.  Is a dog a requirement for a driving licence?  If not, could you have left it at home?

2.  You didn't have to drive 1h 20 mins as you could have waited until mid January and taken the appointment there.

3.  If you don't have a car and are unlikely to bother to drive to out of the way locations, why the fuck do you need a driving licence?

4.  It's licence, not license  

So that the country roads can take him home.

[Baird of the land]

I’m assuming this current nonsense by trump is him laying groundwork for 4 years time trying again.

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I’m assuming this current nonsense by trump is him laying groundwork for 4 years time trying again.

You would hope that by then the US would have enough of voting in senile Presidents.

[Verbal]

10 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

There was no voter fraud, just a response to the behaviour of an egotist that proved deeply unpopular with many US voters. What has proved popular is the policies for which Trumpian Republican party stood. When the Covid tide retreats and we have 4 years to reflect on both the achievements of the Trump Presidency and the failure of an impotent Democratic party controlling a senile President, but not the Senate, to get anything meaningful done, we will see Conservatism triumph again. Firstly it will happen in a revitalised Britain, free of the EU shackles and with Corbyn's style of Socialism finally dead and buried. Then Trump will become the kingmaker in the Republican party, anointing a more media friendly candidate to initiate a UK/US alliance that will finally dominate the West for decade to come. 

We are about to enter a golden age of freedom from wokeism and socialist interference with personal liberty. Rejoice, for the battle was lost but the war will be won. 

Oh God, the anti-Nostradamus back with his predictions.  You all know the rules by now - read and invert. 

[suewhistle]

Well, as long as I have the personal liberty to call GM an utter loon I'll be fine. Presumably he posts this tripe on a football forum as nobody else will let him..

[Sheaf Saint]

Although it is morbidly entertaining, somebody really needs to intervene now and take his Twitter account away from him. It's just embarrassing (as if it wasn't already). He's taken to repeating some wild claims that have already been thoroughly debunked and/or just retweeting articles from Breitbart. In his latest one it is the story about a scanning problem in Georgia, which has now been fully resolved and resulted in even more votes for Biden.

His niece Mary was on C4 news the other day claiming that his narcissism will never allow him to go quietly and work towards a peaceful transition of power. He will take as many people down with him as he can out of spite, and cause some serious damage on the way. He's already fired his defence secretary today (by Twitter, of course). 

Buckle up America, the next couple of months are going to be a very bumpy ride.

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, suewhistle said:

Well, as long as I have the personal liberty to call GM an utter loon I'll be fine. Presumably he posts this tripe on a football forum as nobody else will let him..

He pretty much copied it word for word from a guest column in the Telegraph

[Sheaf Saint]

And now he wants his supporters to believe that Pfizer and the FDA have conspired to withhold news about the possible Covid vaccine until after the election to deliberately undermine him. Because in the head of a narcissist, everything is always about him. 

He's out of his fucking mind. This is going to get very messy. 

[Raging Bull]

To be fair to him, he also said in the lead up to the election that after it, C19 would almost instantly go away. 
 

looks like he’s gonna be proved correct  

Edited 10 November, 2020 by Raging Bull

[Guided Missile]

11 hours ago, Verbal said:

Oh God, the anti-Nostradamus back with his predictions.  You all know the rules by now - read and invert. 

So, you're saying there was a voter fraud?

[aintforever]

5 minutes ago, Raging Bull said:

To be fair to him, he also said in the lead up to the election that after it, C19 would almost instantly go away. 
 

looks like he’s gonna be proved correct  

Yeah, if by 'instantly' he meant kill over 230,000 people and last over a year.

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, Raging Bull said:

To be fair to him, he also said in the lead up to the election that after it, C19 would almost instantly & mysteriously go away. 
 

looks like he’s gonna be proved correct  

What? 

A private company with no links to Trump, using German funding, has released details of preliminary trials of a vaccine. There are still many hurdles to clear and much more testing to be done before it can be approved for general use, IF it ever does. 

None of this represents the "instant and mysterious disappearance" of Covid. This is just another batshit crazy, narcissistic delusion from Donny. 

[Raging Bull]

27 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

None of this represents the "instant and mysterious disappearance" of Covid. This is just another batshit crazy, narcissistic delusion from Donny. 

I watched Billy boy & Melinda Gates smilingly say that the next coronavirus would really get people’s attention, so you would be safe to assume it ain’t going anywhere, soon. 

Edited 10 November, 2020 by Raging Bull