STEVEADAMS Posted 3 July, 2020 Share Posted 3 July, 2020 MSD holdings U.K. have loaned Saints an amount secured against the stadium amd assets. Michael dell is not a director but ultimately it's his funds I suppose. That's what I can read so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 3 July, 2020 Share Posted 3 July, 2020 15 minutes ago, STEVEADAMS said: MSD holdings U.K. have loaned Saints an amount secured against the stadium amd assets. Michael dell is not a director but ultimately it's his funds I suppose. That's what I can read so far. Strange one, I'm not sure what to read into that. Why would MSD holdings/Michael Dell give a secured loan?, I would like to think that it is a pre purchase arrangement of some sort but its all a bit odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 4 July, 2020 Share Posted 4 July, 2020 Might interest some.... https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/msds-new-uk-holding-company-18537244 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 4 July, 2020 Share Posted 4 July, 2020 1 hour ago, Saint Billy said: Strange one, I'm not sure what to read into that. Why would MSD holdings/Michael Dell give a secured loan?, I would like to think that it is a pre purchase arrangement of some sort but its all a bit odd. I'm not sure why it's so strange - not having a go. It's simple, like most (if not all clubs) we want/need a loan to smooth out our cash flow - particularly in these times, as we do not get all our TV money etc. evenly on a weekly/monthly basis, but the outgoing are. All this is for now is that we have a better loan deal from MSD than we had from the previous guys - so nothing to see here. Having said that, once a relationship has been built up and if they like the cut of us and feel there is an investment opportunity down the track (1 to 2 years), they may well want to invest in a share or outright buyout. This is what happened with Sunderland - they loaned them money, but in the final analysis did not consider them a good investment. MSD have no equity in Saints whatsoever, unless the loan is secured against assets, which may be the case but that only comes into force if we default when instalments are due. This is why they can make loans to several clubs at the same time. Still no harm getting exposure to an American lending institution - makes you wonder why Mr. Gobbledegook couldn't (and yes I know he was Canadian, but claimed to have a lot of US contacts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 4 July, 2020 Share Posted 4 July, 2020 This looks more than just a loan. Profile of directors involved with company charge: - https://www.msdpartners.com/people?id=1467&dept_id=82&bioname=John Licciardello https://www.msdpartners.com/people?id=841&dept_id=86&bioname=Marcello Liguori https://www.msdcapital.com/leadership?id=735&dept_id=95&bioname=Robert Platek Other news linked to MSD company https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-investors-msd-partners-close-in-on-sunderland-x6c26pcpb https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10091320/sunderland-takeover-off-american/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 4 July, 2020 Share Posted 4 July, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Delmary said: This looks more than just a loan. Profile of directors involved with company charge: - https://www.msdpartners.com/people?id=1467&dept_id=82&bioname=John Licciardello https://www.msdpartners.com/people?id=841&dept_id=86&bioname=Marcello Liguori https://www.msdcapital.com/leadership?id=735&dept_id=95&bioname=Robert Platek Other news linked to MSD company https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-investors-msd-partners-close-in-on-sunderland-x6c26pcpb https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10091320/sunderland-takeover-off-american/ It does feel like more than a loan. MSD with their involvement in Sunderland and Derby have clearly been sniffing around English football clubs but we will be the first ones to actually receive some cash from them. I am sure that if they just wanted to lend money to a business they could have found some other company in these covid ridden times. In a normal year this would have been the middle of the close season. The players would not yet have returned to training, Wimbledon would be on and Premier League football would not be at the centre of attention. Perfect timing to announce new investment. Edited 4 July, 2020 by Tamesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 4 July, 2020 Share Posted 4 July, 2020 I wonder if this has anything to do with this story on Sky Sports in May. An American-based company has held talks to buy Gao Jisheng's majority share of Southampton, but the coronavirus pandemic has held up discussions. The group has shown interest in purchasing the Chinese businessman's 80 per cent controlling stake, which he put up for sale earlier this year. They have been described to Sky Sports News as the only serious player in a potential takeover, following interest from more than two parties. However, it is understood those talks have been disrupted by the coronavirus pandemic and a deal is not close to being agreed. Previous owner Katharina Liebherr, who sits on the board and retains a 20 per cent stake, is said to have been actively involved in discussions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 4 July, 2020 Share Posted 4 July, 2020 https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/inside-track-american-investment-sunderland-and-southampton-and-what-it-could-mean-future-2902924 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 July, 2020 Share Posted 4 July, 2020 11 hours ago, Saint Billy said: I wonder if this has anything to do with this story on Sky Sports in May. An American-based company has held talks to buy Gao Jisheng's majority share of Southampton, but the coronavirus pandemic has held up discussions. The group has shown interest in purchasing the Chinese businessman's 80 per cent controlling stake, which he put up for sale earlier this year. They have been described to Sky Sports News as the only serious player in a potential takeover, following interest from more than two parties. However, it is understood those talks have been disrupted by the coronavirus pandemic and a deal is not close to being agreed. Previous owner Katharina Liebherr, who sits on the board and retains a 20 per cent stake, is said to have been actively involved in discussions I would guess it's not linked. But I do believe there is something in that Sky Sports story above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 29 July, 2020 Share Posted 29 July, 2020 (edited) On 04/05/2020 at 12:51, Badger said: I heard 'Barry the Briefcase' is fronting their syndicate to buy the club. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18613678.amp/?__twitter_impression=true wasn’t this him? Edited 29 July, 2020 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 July, 2020 Share Posted 29 July, 2020 50 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said: https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18613678.amp/?__twitter_impression=true wasn’t this him? Barry the briefcase!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 29 July, 2020 Share Posted 29 July, 2020 (edited) It's business as usual for our Barry it would appear.... not sure what's happened to his briefcase thoughhttps://www.advertiserandtimes.co.uk/barry-beardall Edited 29 July, 2020 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 29 July, 2020 Share Posted 29 July, 2020 1 hour ago, Give it to Ron said: https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18613678.amp/?__twitter_impression=true wasn’t this him? Name is familiar from the old threads, and trousers photo seems to nail it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 July, 2020 Share Posted 29 July, 2020 25 minutes ago, trousers said: It's business as usual for our Barry it would appear.... not sure what's happened to his briefcase thoughhttps://www.advertiserandtimes.co.uk/barry-beardall Forum legend. Also, scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 29 July, 2020 Share Posted 29 July, 2020 5 hours ago, trousers said: It's business as usual for our Barry it would appear.... not sure what's happened to his briefcase thoughhttps://www.advertiserandtimes.co.uk/barry-beardall Crikey. Is that that you lot look like out in the provinces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 In other takeover news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 (edited) no surprise. Might head onto the toon forums for the meltdown Edited 30 July, 2020 by skintsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 (edited) double post. Edited 30 July, 2020 by skintsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 Now who is going to buy Coutinho and Hulk?? They were all set to be the next Man City! Never mind....Mike Ashley actually keeps the £17m deposit they made as well, so he's financially laughing whilst the club will continue to languish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 (edited) That's one relegation berth taken care of next season then Edited 30 July, 2020 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Bates Statue Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 The fact that many of them seemed to pin their hopes on it being similar to Gao's protracted takeover of us tells you how desperate they are. If that's the attitude pervading through the club then it cannot end well. My guess is when they do get sold it will be a fascinating honeymoon period before a rather rude awakening, by which point they will be looking nervously at the lower end of the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 (edited) Barry the Briefcase has now made it into the nationals: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8582417/British-28-stone-conman-74-spared-jail-fat.html Fat c^nt. Summary: A judge at Southampton Crown Court said jail staff would struggle to get 28-stone Barry Beardall out of bed in the morning Edited 1 August, 2020 by Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 1 August, 2020 Share Posted 1 August, 2020 (edited) Edited 1 August, 2020 by Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 2 August, 2020 Share Posted 2 August, 2020 How did the premier league accept Gao as a director along with all our dodgy sponsors and then hold up the Newcastle bid. It's probably for the best for us but really strange the deal didn't go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 2 August, 2020 Share Posted 2 August, 2020 (edited) On 29/07/2020 at 09:22, CB Fry said: Forum legend. Also, scumbag. The forum stories about him were comical but what an absolute pr**k! Makes a mockery of our judicial system. “Yet in a pre-sentence report Barry Beardall said he “recently” inherited £25,000 and the judge wondered where that had come from and if it had been declared – adding the previous confiscation proceedings could be reopened and some of the inheritance money used to pay back more. But Mr Martin said his client had spent all but £2,500 of it...” Yeah. Seemingly spent on takeaways. The cowardly, divisive fat c**t!! Edited 2 August, 2020 by Gordon Mockles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 August, 2020 Share Posted 2 August, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ultimatt said: How did the premier league accept Gao as a director along with all our dodgy sponsors and then hold up the Newcastle bid. It's probably for the best for us but really strange the deal didn't go through. Gao wouldn’t pass the owners test now. Edited 2 August, 2020 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 August, 2020 Share Posted 2 August, 2020 32 minutes ago, benjii said: Gao wouldn’t pass the owners test now. Didn’t they change the rules AFTER he took over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 August, 2020 Share Posted 2 August, 2020 1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said: Didn’t they change the rules AFTER he took over? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 August, 2020 Share Posted 12 August, 2020 @trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 12 August, 2020 Share Posted 12 August, 2020 The New York based company linked to Michael Dell has injected £30m into Derby county secured against club assets https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/08/12/derby-county-receive-30m-cash-injection-american-billionaire/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 12 August, 2020 Share Posted 12 August, 2020 companies house lists MSD as "Lender" for Derby and "Security Agent" for Saints i dont know if that difference means anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 13 August, 2020 Share Posted 13 August, 2020 18 hours ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: The New York based company linked to Michael Dell has injected £30m into Derby county secured against club assets https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/08/12/derby-county-receive-30m-cash-injection-american-billionaire/ A loan into club secured against assets. Very common and plenty of clubs do it to asset with cash flow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 £30M is a drop in the ocean though. Buys one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 16 August, 2020 Share Posted 16 August, 2020 9 hours ago, the saint in winchester said: £30M is a drop in the ocean though. Buys one player. It buys a lot more than one player in the championship. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 17 August, 2020 Share Posted 17 August, 2020 11 hours ago, the saint in winchester said: £30M is a drop in the ocean though. Buys one player. Or 30 of these. (The shit hole in the background, not the scooter). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 Piece in The Athletic this morning talking about ex-Prem exec Richard Scudamore joining the board of a US-listed company to target European football, with a prem club at the top of their wish list. Moneyball head Billy Beane is involved in the group. The group is called RedBall. It talks about US investment in sport & how appealing football is — The article ends with this: “American interest in European football isn’t new but it’s ramped up recently because some organisations are struggling and existing owners are trying to get out. Another factor is that it’s hard to get into US sport — the valuations are astronomical and minority stakes are rare. But for £200 million you could buy Southampton, for example. The prices are appealing.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 Interesting that we were named in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 Article on RedBall here https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/redball-acquisition-corp-surpasses-ipo-goal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 Raised £440 million - well it’s not going to be us then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 1 minute ago, IFHP said: Raised £440 million - well it’s not going to be us then My bet it’s West Ham but you could think £220 million will buy us and the other £220 million goes towards investment in the local area plus on some players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 2 minutes ago, IFHP said: Raised £440 million - well it’s not going to be us then Raising £440m doesn't mean £440m is solely on purchase price. Leftovers could be spent on other things. Plus all of the big 6 would cost more than £440m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 Redbird, who are the main company rather than RedBall, are minority investors in the New York Yankees along with MSD. https://apnews.com/3cff30de8b44464b8d0b6723cb620bcf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 17 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Piece in The Athletic this morning talking about ex-Prem exec Richard Scudamore joining the board of a US-listed company to target European football, with a prem club at the top of their wish list. Moneyball head Billy Beane is involved in the group. The group is called RedBall. It talks about US investment in sport & how appealing football is — The article ends with this: “American interest in European football isn’t new but it’s ramped up recently because some organisations are struggling and existing owners are trying to get out. Another factor is that it’s hard to get into US sport — the valuations are astronomical and minority stakes are rare. But for £200 million you could buy Southampton, for example. The prices are appealing.” Probably a saints fan too with his parents naming him after Bill Beaney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 Saints, West Ham and Newcastle all looking for new owners. One to keep an eye on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, IFHP said: Raised £440 million - well it’s not going to be us then Why ? Its not just stumping up the money for buying the club. Funds are then needed to invest otherwise you are left with a situation....well, like we are now with Gao. Sounds just about right for a club of our size. Edited 22 August, 2020 by beatlesaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 (edited) Can only hope they have mild OCD and RedBall only want to buy a team in red. Where is @trousers ?! Edited 22 August, 2020 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 (edited) Red Ball took an 85% stake in Toulouse last month. So they could take over and let Kat retain her stake. https://www.penews.com/articles/ex-goldman-bankers-buyout-group-redbird-snaps-up-french-football-club-toulouse-20200720 Keep on seeing data analytics mentioned in articles about them too. Sounds like hand and glove. Edited 22 August, 2020 by Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 22 August, 2020 Share Posted 22 August, 2020 https://www.sportico.com/business/finance/2020/billionaire-englander-takes-stake-in-redball-sports-spac-1234611787/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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