egg Posted 18 July, 2023 Share Posted 18 July, 2023 Was a strange signing, and despite his effort, he just wasn't up to it. I suspect RM saw enough in the 2 x friendlies to realise that he needed him gone. Good luck to the lad, and hopefully we can bring in a decent upgrade (assuming 1 or 2 more leave that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 Proper big time Charlie. Took his kids out of a local private school “due to security reasons” because a handful of kids asked for his autograph at an open day! Good riddance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 What summed up Lyanco was in a cup game at home last season. We had just equalised and approached half time their forward was in corner going nowhere but Lyanco bundled him over trying to be aggressive giving them opportunity to put ball in box in injury time. Brainless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitch Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 13 hours ago, coalman said: After Nathan Jones we should maybe avoid people on a mission from God That's probably half of worldwide football, in fairness. A lot of them in the God Squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 12 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: If that amount is correct, then that's absolutely incredible business. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 Just now, hypochondriac said: If that amount is correct, then that's absolutely incredible business. Very well-done Saints.. Wonder if we will get a little more for a Diallo from the money state. If so we are off to a blinder. Orsic for €4Million, Lyanco for €6Million and I reckon Diallo for €8Million. €18Million for those 3 would be stellar business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: If that amount is correct, then that's absolutely incredible business. Pretty much got our money back for a player who ultimately failed. Can't complain about that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 4 hours ago, Give it to Ron said: What summed up Lyanco was in a cup game at home last season. We had just equalised and approached half time their forward was in corner going nowhere but Lyanco bundled him over trying to be aggressive giving them opportunity to put ball in box in injury time. Brainless. I was sat right by the dugouts for that game. Jones was shouting "no foul, no foul" which Lyanco ignored and clattered into their player. Jones turned around looking furious. I laughed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 Anyone know what kind of wages he was on? Want to see know if my £3M a year ballpark figure is anywhere near close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, hypochondriac said: If that amount is correct, then that's absolutely incredible business. More importantly it suggests that SR are sticking to their guns on valuations and will be just as happy to keep the players they want to keep. Could explain also why interest in our star players is waning at least in the sense that there are few rumours about imminent departures at the moment. The pick-up on this might be that under SR the word is out that we are not a selling club. Don't be surprised if JWP, Sailsu and JWP remain Saints players for this season. Being stuck with Stephens & Adam Armstrong is though a real cause for concern. Edited 19 July, 2023 by Charlie Wayman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 Chances of a Turkish club following through with an obligation to buy after seeing him play for a year. Almost zero I would say. If they wanted to buy him now we could just transfer him and make the payment terms a small amount now and the remainder in 12 months. There are always some contractual outs with obligations to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 54 minutes ago, Saint86 said: Anyone know what kind of wages he was on? Want to see know if my £3M a year ballpark figure is anywhere near close FBRef has him at £35,000-a-week, £1.8m/year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 1 hour ago, The Cat said: I was sat right by the dugouts for that game. Jones was shouting "no foul, no foul" which Lyanco ignored and clattered into their player. Jones turned around looking furious. I laughed. He was Jones' bestie. I guess they bonded over their religion. When we scored the 2nd in the LC game against City all of the players were celebrating together on the pitch apart from the Brazilian Alan Bennett who had sprinted to the touchline and was jumping up and down hugging Jones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 22 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: More importantly it suggests that SR are sticking to their guns on valuations and will be just as happy to keep the players they want to keep. Could explain also why interest in our star players is waning at least in the sense that there are few rumours about imminent departures at the moment. The pick-up on this might be that under SR the word is out that we are not a selling club. Don't be surprised if JWP, Sailsu and JWP remain Saints players for this season. Being stuck with Stephens & Adam Armstrong is though a real cause for concern. All part of the window fun. Speculation of interest in press. A club sends in low offer. We reject it. Speculation that we are unrealistic. We stand firm. Other club pursue other targets. We stand firm on further press speculation. Towards end of window, other club comes back in. We stand firm on second offer. Late negotiation with them hoping we're desperate to sell and hopefully us saying we'd be quite happy to keep our stars and get the amount we were after. With variations on contract length, better players we'd like to bring in ourselves and if we consider that player to be well down the pecking order, where we've been telling them to look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 1 hour ago, once_bitterne said: the Brazilian Alan Bennett He wasn't quite THAT bad 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 I find it extremely surprising we've found someone willing to take him with an obligation to buy! and they are paying a fee! Well played Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 1 hour ago, once_bitterne said: Chances of a Turkish club following through with an obligation to buy after seeing him play for a year. Almost zero I would say. If they wanted to buy him now we could just transfer him and make the payment terms a small amount now and the remainder in 12 months. There are always some contractual outs with obligations to buy. So, there's a chance he may come back to strut his stuff for us in the Premier League once again, if we go up??? Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: So, there's a chance he may come back to strut his stuff for us in the Premier League once again, if we go up??? Yay! Not if its an obligation to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 2 hours ago, once_bitterne said: He was Jones' bestie. I guess they bonded over their religion. When we scored the 2nd in the LC game against City all of the players were celebrating together on the pitch apart from the Brazilian Alan Bennett who had sprinted to the touchline and was jumping up and down hugging Jones. The initial image of the Brazilian Alan Bennett that came to mind was Lyanco in a duffel coat and National health specs nasally droning on about Mrs Thrupwaite’s rheumatism! On balance I would have probably preferred that to him attempting to play football for SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 July, 2023 Share Posted 19 July, 2023 4 hours ago, once_bitterne said: Chances of a Turkish club following through with an obligation to buy after seeing him play for a year. Almost zero I would say. If they wanted to buy him now we could just transfer him and make the payment terms a small amount now and the remainder in 12 months. There are always some contractual outs with obligations to buy. If they have agreed to an obligation to buy there’s not really a way out of it and if they do try to renege they’ll likely face sanctions and transfer embargos. Plus there’ll be the fact that he’ll have signed a contract with them, valid for however many years. Loans with an obligation to buy seem fairly common, so I can only assume there’s some clever tax write off or FFP dodge involved, which makes it beneficial to one or both parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 20 July, 2023 Share Posted 20 July, 2023 17 hours ago, skintsaint said: Not if its an obligation to buy. Because they are always cast-iron in football aren't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2023 Share Posted 20 July, 2023 1 hour ago, once_bitterne said: Because they are always cast-iron in football aren't they. and the obligation to buy may be if he meets certain targets, like playing 75% of the games this season. The devil may be in the detail. Who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 20 July, 2023 Author Share Posted 20 July, 2023 22 minutes ago, Chez said: and the obligation to buy may be if he meets certain targets, like playing 75% of the games this season. The devil may be in the detail. Who knows? Jacob's article said that we turned down an offer from Brazil which was an obligation based on certain things being met, in favour of a permanent deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Move stalled, paperwork issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 The problem with his medical being that they couldn't find any sign of a brain, presumably? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 39 minutes ago, Master Bates said: Move stalled, paperwork issues FFS 🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 12 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: If this falls through, can't we pay someone to drive him around Turkey to some of the other clubs who were interested, to see if he can sort a deal and pass a medical elsewhere? I mean, no point wasting the air fare? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 FFS, that is even in a country that do crazy procedures on the cheap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Phew! Apparently we've asked for a 4 finger KitKat but Besiktas will only give us 2... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Ivan Katalinic's 'tache said: Phew! Apparently we've asked for a 4 finger KitKat but Besiktas will only give us 2... Let's meet halfway and have a Mars Trio 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 It’s totally off. Flying back to England apparently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Fabrizio Romano confirmed it has collapsed and that Lyanco will be back for training tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Can’t he stay out there and sign for Goztepe ffs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Apparently Besiktas found an issue in the medical and then requested to put a clause in Lyanco's contract to mitigate against the injury - which he, quite rightly, refused. A bit cheeky, if true, and could see why is would fuck him off and kill the deal. http://sportwitness.co.uk/southampton-exit-becoming-mess-player-refused-contract-clause-negotiations-still-ongoing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 The turd that won't flush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 21 July, 2023 Author Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Well the good news is that it isn't a medical issue, so hopefully we can ship him off elsewhere soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Welcome home Lyanco! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Fuck sake, thought we were shot of this idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sfcphilc Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Why couldn't they have found out he was shit after he signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Brilliant, this feels like a new signing in itself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Turks trying to pull a fast one, feel sorry for lyanco and the club on this one. Probably off to Brazil instead now for less money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 6 hours ago, Master Bates said: Move stalled, paperwork issues Do the Turks still use paper money then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Has he left yet? (is this going to be the new truly side splitting Rudi Skacel gag in reverse?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 He won’t be here come the end of the window. I’d be surprised if he came back at all. Chances are a deal will be struck and it’ll be either reduced transfer fee or he’ll go elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 40 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: He won’t be here come the end of the window. I’d be surprised if he came back at all. Chances are a deal will be struck and it’ll be either reduced transfer fee or he’ll go elsewhere. I think the sticking point is the contract, not necessarily the fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Bloody Besiktas stopping us getting our funds in order for the Mbappe offensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 21 July, 2023 Share Posted 21 July, 2023 1 hour ago, Smirking_Saint said: Bloody Besiktas stopping us getting our funds in order for the Mbappe offensive I need to know where Mbappe is going, I support him, so I need the jersey of the squad he's drafted into. But I can't buy the jersey if I don't know where he's drafted, ARGH. Top baller, my fav player, GOAT, cooks well. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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