SaintsLoyal Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Using the media like Man United have done needs action from PL FA, Newcastle now screwed up and we’re in an unknown boat. Newcastle clearly fuming and they might well leave Ashworth to rot on gardening leave for 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 20 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Not too worried myself unless he was to target russ as well .. we have still been going for a lot of ex city under him(understandable) but we where doing this pre Wilcox anyway martin gets all the credit for me Rest assured, United wont be looking to appoint Russel Martin as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, SaintsLoyal said: Using the media like Man United have done needs action from PL FA, Newcastle now screwed up and we’re in an unknown boat. Newcastle clearly fuming and they might well leave Ashworth to rot on gardening leave for 12 months. Niave to think he wont be working on bits behind the scenes at United, whilst on gardening leave. He'll be doing the job in all but having his feet under the desk. The only reason Newcastle wont want him around, is because they wouldn't want him close to the day to day running of the club before shooting off to a rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 My only ( mild) concern In the game of possible consequences though is that it’s not impossible Newcastle consider JW if they lose Ashworth? Can’t really say no to that spending power? Only job I see RM being offered soon is the Scotland one post euros- but think he’d probably reject it if we were in EPL. Not sure replacing De Zerbi at Brighton is actually such a good gig for him as I previously thought and he’s not going to a top six team anytime soon. Has won nothing to date and that needs to change -starting with promotion to EPL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, gio1saints said: My only ( mild) concern In the game of possible consequences though is that it’s not impossible Newcastle consider JW if they lose Ashworth? Can’t really say no to that spending power? Only job I see RM being offered soon is the Scotland one post euros- but think he’d probably reject it if we were in EPL. Not sure replacing De Zerbi at Brighton is actually such a good gig for him as I previously thought and he’s not going to a top six team anytime soon. Has won nothing to date and that needs to change -starting with promotion to EPL. Presumably Wilcox also has a 'notice period' in his Saints contract. After all he has to serve notice (6 months) before joining us. Might put United off if he can't join up (officially) for 6-12 months. I would have thought if there was much/anything in it that Saints would have put Wilcox on GL as well, they haven't which makes me think he is not going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Couple of hours ago Ashworths gardening leave is now until 2026. Newcastle wanting £20m ! Whatever happens United have handled the whole situation really badly. From all the leaked stories involving Ashworth, Wilcox, Mbappe, and Brightons Sam Jewell to the current situation . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, manji said: Couple of hours ago Ashworths gardening leave is now until 2026. Newcastle wanting £20m ! Whatever happens United have handled the whole situation really badly. From all the leaked stories involving Ashworth, Wilcox, Mbappe, and Brightons Sam Jewell to the current situation . Add to that, That Parsons and Wilcox have both told Russell that they have no clue about it either. Or whatever was said Friday. It smacks of Man United being underhand and Completely unprofessional. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, manji said: Couple of hours ago Ashworths gardening leave is now until 2026. Newcastle wanting £20m ! Whatever happens United have handled the whole situation really badly. From all the leaked stories involving Ashworth, Wilcox, Mbappe, and Brightons Sam Jewell to the current situation . I don’t know why anyone would want to get at the centre of such a huge shit show. Yeah, huge £££ too at a huge club but these guys are already on ££ compared to most industries anyway. Tapping on goes on all of the time, including plenty of people on here in their industries, but this is so cack-handed from Utd. Ashworth would be advised to wait until the Glazers have gone wholesale, although you’d expect a bit more savvy from Ratcliffe and Brailsford. Edited February 19 by Gloucester Saint Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 3 hours ago, manji said: Couple of hours ago Ashworths gardening leave is now until 2026. Newcastle wanting £20m ! Whatever happens United have handled the whole situation really badly. From all the leaked stories involving Ashworth, Wilcox, Mbappe, and Brightons Sam Jewell to the current situation . You have got to assume Ashworth has signed a contract already with united to put in his notice, no one is giving up a job without a defo back up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Has he fucked off yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 3 hours ago, Convict Colony said: You have got to assume Ashworth has signed a contract already with united to put in his notice, no one is giving up a job without a defo back up. Don't think he has - it just needs the compo & timelines sorted (Which I'm sure will get done when ££s' are agreed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2024/feb/20/dan-ashworth-manchester-united-newcastle-united Ashworth a bad appointment.🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Again I might be kidding myself but the more I read United are just thrasing around. Sure they have the money but it’s just smacks of desperation and unprofessionalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, manji said: Again I might be kidding myself but the more I read United are just thrasing around. Sure they have the money but it’s just smacks of desperation and unprofessionalism. Jim Ratcliffe largely has the Midas touch with Ineos acquisitions but hasn’t seemed to translated yet to his sporting ventures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 28 minutes ago, manji said: Again I might be kidding myself but the more I read United are just thrasing around. Sure they have the money but it’s just smacks of desperation and unprofessionalism. That’s why you’d get people like Wilcox and Ashworth in, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 If we don't go up, is Wilcox really such a success and is this really something to worry about??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Will be interesting to see who we target to replace Wilcox when the inevitable happens. Lots of clubs seem to replace from within but it doesnt seem like there are any obvious candidates within our structure. This stuff seems like Rasmus' bag so sure he will already have an idea of who he wants and probably had conversations. Clearly not got everything right, but a lot of the offield appointments seem to have been decent so far, indicated by the fact Chelsea and Utd who could pretty much get anyone they want have moved for Shields and Wilcox after such short tenures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 So with Wilcox on his way to United I have to ask the question why do they want him? He sanctioned the signing of a crocked striker and failed to deliver a replacement in January when it was clear that we needed a decent number 9 to push on for auto's. That's a major cock up. He is clearly the man behind the implementation of possession football and is understandably backing Martin to the hilt. Not sure i want to watch another season of painfully slow football with Martin at the helm and slightly lower grade players trying to piss about with the ball at the back. So will the new man back RM next season If we fail to gain promotion? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) 4 hours ago, wild-saint said: So with Wilcox on his way to United I have to ask the question why do they want him? He sanctioned the signing of a crocked striker and failed to deliver a replacement in January when it was clear that we needed a decent number 9 to push on for auto's. That's a major cock up. He is clearly the man behind the implementation of possession football and is understandably backing Martin to the hilt. Not sure i want to watch another season of painfully slow football with Martin at the helm and slightly lower grade players trying to piss about with the ball at the back. So will the new man back RM next season If we fail to gain promotion? Because he did well and was popular at Manchester City and the new Manchester United CEO was the head of football at Manchester City? I don't even think he's really done a bad job here tbh. But you're not allowed to drop points without everyone and everything being sh!te anymore. Edited March 31 by CSA96 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Any chance RM can go with him 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, danjosaint said: Any chance RM can go with him And Rasmus too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 30/03/2024 at 22:21, wild-saint said: So with Wilcox on his way to United I have to ask the question why do they want him? He sanctioned the signing of a crocked striker and failed to deliver a replacement in January when it was clear that we needed a decent number 9 to push on for auto's. That's a major cock up. He is clearly the man behind the implementation of possession football and is understandably backing Martin to the hilt. Not sure i want to watch another season of painfully slow football with Martin at the helm and slightly lower grade players trying to piss about with the ball at the back. So will the new man back RM next season If we fail to gain promotion? Where is the news that he's on his way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 The main benefit of a director of football role at a club is to keep a consistent strategy in terms of play style and signing targets regardless of who the manager is. Kind of defeats the point of we're going through them quicker than we're going through managers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 7 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said: Where is the news that he's on his way? He wasn’t at the game on Friday and has not been seen at Staplewood for a while. Seems he is on gardening leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 It’s not a coincidence that our form has tailed off since this came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said: It’s not a coincidence that our form has tailed off since this came out. Players must be gutted he's going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, Saint_clark said: Players must be gutted he's going. It’s the only explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 15 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said: Where is the news that he's on his way? Just had an SSN app update that Man U have approached formally. From Long Shot’s posting, doesn’t seem too much of a surprise and yes, may explain the drop off in form and Martin feeling comfortable returning to strange tactical decisions. Mixed views - got some good fees in eg Tella, Lavia, but the Stewart debacle has cost the club promotion via the automatics and probably play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 30/03/2024 at 22:21, wild-saint said: So with Wilcox on his way to United I have to ask the question why do they want him? He sanctioned the signing of a crocked striker and failed to deliver a replacement in January when it was clear that we needed a decent number 9 to push on for auto's. That's a major cock up. He is clearly the man behind the implementation of possession football and is understandably backing Martin to the hilt. Not sure i want to watch another season of painfully slow football with Martin at the helm and slightly lower grade players trying to piss about with the ball at the back. So will the new man back RM next season If we fail to gain promotion? So is Martin doing well with the tools he's given, or should we be promoted automatically anyway considering that Wilcox has made a major cock-up this season in putting together a team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 8 hours ago, Long Shot said: He wasn’t at the game on Friday and has not been seen at Staplewood for a while. Seems he is on gardening leave. Why would he be on gardening leave? Cos United are a big rival? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Double to triple compo for using the media whilst we’re trying to get promotion. Shameful behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 43 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Why would he be on gardening leave? Cos United are a big rival? If true, perhaps because Saints are pissed off that another new recruit has been tempted away within months so just playing hardball and making him see out his terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, The Kraken said: If true, perhaps because Saints are pissed off that another new recruit has been tempted away within months so just playing hardball and making him see out his terms. But you'd make him see it out actually doing his job, wouldn't you? Otherwise he's just being paid for doing nothing. That's not a punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: But you'd make him see it out actually doing his job, wouldn't you? Otherwise he's just being paid for doing nothing. That's not a punishment. I believe it’s exactly what the club did with Shields, and they were definitely pissed off with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, The Kraken said: I believe it’s exactly what the club did with Shields, and they were definitely pissed off with him. I wish my companies were that pissed off with me. Tbf, it does show that actual football recruitment at the club is extremely strong under SR - perhaps too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bad Wolf Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 You can't really blame him tbf. I'd have gone and unlike Wilcox I have an actual affiliation to the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Another one bites the dust (or the pay cheque). If we have refused a fee, does that mean it will go to a tribunal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsLoyal Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Saints media department found wanting again, they should have detailed the situation when he was out out on gardening leave. Not allow this then to drip out around critical games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, Sheaf Saint said: Another one bites the dust (or the pay cheque). If we have refused a fee, does that mean it will go to a tribunal? Doubt it, if he’s serving his notice. I imagine the fee was to release him from his terms, sounds like he’ll just do gardening leave and join Man U when that’s done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Wilcox peaked with Lavia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13106078/jason-wilcox-manchester-united-make-approach-for-southampton-director-of-football Wilcox has resigned apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 9 hours ago, Long Shot said: He wasn’t at the game on Friday and has not been seen at Staplewood for a while. Seems he is on gardening leave. you called it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 34 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: But you'd make him see it out actually doing his job, wouldn't you? Otherwise he's just being paid for doing nothing. That's not a punishment. I'd be making him do "some" job, not necessarily his. I'm sure the bog brass needs a good clean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 4 minutes ago, Yorkshire Saint said: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13106078/jason-wilcox-manchester-united-make-approach-for-southampton-director-of-football Wilcox has resigned apparently That's it then, we're resigned to losing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Now resigned makes much more sense than gardening leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 only 1 man can step in and lead us to the glory land 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said: Now resigned makes much more sense than gardening leave. Will still need to give and work notice if resigned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Not in the slightest be bothered. Made more screw ups the successes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) … Edited April 1 by whelk Wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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