Kamaldeen Sulemana

[waylander]

Would be a helluva player if he used his left foot for more than standing on

[Charlie Wayman]

On 11/03/2024 at 17:45, pimpin4rizeal said:

I think In  a way he’s been very unlucky.. when he got injured he was actually first choice. Since then Arma has been immense on one wing, Fraser took his chance well and now we also have brooks as well as edozie 

with Fraser and brooks you get a ton of end product, frasers shooting is superb and brooks plays killer passes. In a season where every result is crucial they are safer picks. 

But it’s good that we have a different kind of weapon for when we need it ..

i think Martin is tending to prefer the reliable pros for the here and now over utilising our players With the highest ceilings .. same applies to alcaraz and maybe you could add Sam amo..  I can’t blame Martin for doing what’s best for promotion but it’s not been a season that helps our brightest young talents 

Martin is a plodder and associates himself best with other plodders. A Saints team full of plodders will plod. He can't handle skilful players.

[LeBizzier69]

I agree with what Glen said on the podcast......for those who listen to it. Chuck him down the middle for the last 10-15 mins, and get him to do some Walcott-esque kick and chase. All that pace, which is still his biggest asset. Mind you, now i've said that it's clearly not how we'll ever play under Rusty.

[S-Clarke]

4 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Martin is a plodder and associates himself best with other plodders. A Saints team full of plodders will plod. He can't handle skilful players.

Apart from Brooks, Edozie, Fraser, Armstrong?

[pimpin4rizeal]

7 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

Martin is a plodder and associates himself best with other plodders. A Saints team full of plodders will plod. He can't handle skilful players.

Hehe a bit harsh maybe .. I do however think he has definitely preferred experience to youth .

in a year where we are chasing promotion I won’t argue against it too much 

but the likes of sulemana alcaraz edozie Charles dibling haven’t really broken through under him ., and I think that’s more to do with preferring experience to them being not good enough 

[Chez]

21 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

but the likes of sulemana alcaraz edozie Charles dibling haven’t really broken through under him ., and I think that’s more to do with preferring experience to them being not good enough 

They have all been given opportunities (to a lesser extent Dibling) during the season, but the more experienced players have generally performed better - which is why they are being selected now. It's not as though Fraser walked into the side. Edozie and Sulemena were picked ahead of him as they were playing better, but Fraser's goals made it hard to not pick him.  

 

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 hours ago, Chez said:

They have all been given opportunities (to a lesser extent Dibling) during the season, but the more experienced players have generally performed better - which is why they are being selected now. It's not as though Fraser walked into the side. Edozie and Sulemena were picked ahead of him as they were playing better, but Fraser's goals made it hard to not pick him.  

 

You are correct with all of this .but I still think martin has certainly favoured experience for the here and now over fully unleashing some of our young players .. I mean In the attacking winger positions we could have probably not even brought Fraser and brooks in at all if we wanted to and used sulemana edozie Sam amo and  dibling. The main conflict here is whilst brooks and Fraser have been great you could argue they are blocking the devolopement of the other 4. Charles was a expensive youngster but mainly on the bench  meghoma only getting cup games And alcaraz let go because Martin preferred stuey..

as I said it’s a promotion chasing season so I don’t really have a problem with martins approach here but I do think it’s fair to say he’s favouring experience and loan players who are not ours over some really high potential youngsters 

 

[Charlie Wayman]

17 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I do think it’s fair to say he’s favouring experience and loan players who are not ours over some really high potential youngsters 

 

!00%  Exactly the point I was making.

It's short sighted and will have consequences in the summer.

[captainchris]

On 12/03/2024 at 21:56, waylander said:

Would be a helluva player if he used his left foot for more than standing on

This precisely. He should be put on his own in training kicking a ball against a wall for month with only his left foot. Then moving onto ball exercises with left foot only. He might be able to take part after that. I cannot understand how you can pick a player who has his head permanently down and is totally one footed. Surely we should be coaching him first… 

[SambaMaverick]

1 hour ago, Charlie Wayman said:

!00%  Exactly the point I was making.

It's short sighted and will have consequences in the summer.

Get real mate. Sulemana isn't good enough and the youngsters are worse - we are trying to get promoted here!

[pimpin4rizeal]

2 hours ago, SambaMaverick said:

Get real mate. Sulemana isn't good enough and the youngsters are worse - we are trying to get promoted here!

I don’t believe this .. many people on here was raving about Sam amo Being our best prospect since bale,, likewise people raved over dibling in the cup.. sulemana was preferred over doku by many of the fans at his last club .. and alcaraz was arguably our best player in the premiership at the back end of last season..

i agree we are going for promotion but to make out they are all rubbish is wrong 

[SambaMaverick]

6 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

I don’t believe this .. many people on here was raving about Sam amo Being our best prospect since bale,, likewise people raved over dibling in the cup.. sulemana was preferred over doku by many of the fans at his last club .. and alcaraz was arguably our best player in the premiership at the back end of last season..

i agree we are going for promotion but to make out they are all rubbish is wrong 

I'm not saying they are rubbish but if you can't see that Fraser and Brooks are streets ahead then I don't know what to tell you.

[pimpin4rizeal]

6 hours ago, SambaMaverick said:

I'm not saying they are rubbish but if you can't see that Fraser and Brooks are streets ahead then I don't know what to tell you.

“Isn’t good enough and the youngsters are worse” is a bit like saying they are rubbish.

im not really arguing about who’s better here more the fact that out of a pool of cracking looking young players such as alcaraz,sully,Sam amo, dibling,Charles,meghoma  can you say any of them have come on leaps and bounds under russ ?

they have had some chances sure but I think the depth in front of them is probably hindering their progress somewhat ..

nathan tella wasn’t doing doing much for us while here albeit in a higher league but came totally good when getting week in week out game time 

[SambaMaverick]

What a fucking joke this is. Waste of space.

[SaintNewForest]

He's shite and has a stinking attitude to match. There's clearly a reason he isn't fancied. 

[SaintTex]

His poetry is better than his football....

and his poetry is awful.

 

[Toussaint]

Useless little prick 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, SambaMaverick said:

What a fucking joke this is. Waste of space.

“Put me in a box and I’ll pick dem locks 100 time”

22 championship teams confirm this statement to be incorrect 

[Jonnyboy]

Record signing? Lol

[Convict Colony]

Saving it all for the playoff final extra time winner 

[beatlesaint]

He's another one who thinks he's better than he is, one decent match in all the time he's been here and that was only to try and impress Klippity Klopp !

[Guest]

Expectation: Sadio Mané potential

Reality: Arguably worse than Moussa Djenepo

😂

[Whitey Grandad]

24 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Expectation: Sadio Mané potential

Reality: Arguably worse than Moussa Djenepo

😂

Djenepo was a lot better. 

[bpsaint]

14 hours ago, SambaMaverick said:

What a fucking joke this is. Waste of space.

State of this. He went to the same school of ‘arrogant with low talent’ as Lemina and Hoedt.

[beatlesaint]

Just now, bpsaint said:

State of this. He went to the same school of ‘arrogant with low talent’ as Lemina and Hoedt.

Like them he likes the smell of his own farts !!

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Like them he likes the smell of his own farts !!

Not just me then🤭

[BotleySaint]

Can anyone remember a record signing that actually worked out? It seems the more money we spend, the bigger the flop.

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

Can anyone remember a record signing that actually worked out? It seems the more money we spend, the bigger the flop.

Agreed, the £10-12M ball park seemed to be our best buys. Tadic, Mané, even Pellè was less than that.

[SaintStinger]

If Liverpool had anything to play for in the last game last season he would be on zero goals in 43 appearances. What a disappointment he's been.

[IFHP]

14 hours ago, SaintNewForest said:

He's shite and has a stinking attitude to match. There's clearly a reason he isn't fancied. 

100 % agree . He didn’t want to be here the moment we got relegated. 

Hopefully some mug will take him in the summer . 

[SambaMaverick]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Djenepo was a lot better. 

At least he had a bit of fight about him!!

[OttawaSaint]

Hasn't scored a single goal in the Championship.

When he unlocks a defence he puts another lock on and then wastes time picking that one too.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

Hasn't scored a single goal in the Championship.

When he unlocks a defence he puts another lock on and then wastes time picking that one too.

 

He did say he picks 100 locks. That'll be in every move.  By the time he's done that, we've lost the ball and probably conceded at the other end.🙂

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, BotleySaint said:

Can anyone remember a record signing that actually worked out? It seems the more money we spend, the bigger the flop.

Danny Ings?

[BotleySaint]

10 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Danny Ings?

Ah yes, I think the final fee was claimed to be £20m which put him above Carillo at £19m.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, BotleySaint said:

Ah yes, I think the final fee was claimed to be £20m which put him above Carillo at £19m.

I think aside from him you have to go back to David Armstrong for anyone that’s been consistently good.

Jay Rodriguez was our record signing for a couple of of months before we signed Ramirez and was decent until his injury. He’s the only one I can think of. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Have we forgotten the donkey who cost c.£4million and went on to play for Stoke and develop a long throw?😉

[benali-shorts]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

I think aside from him you have to go back to David Armstrong for anyone that’s been consistently good.

Jay Rodriguez was our record signing for a couple of of months before we signed Ramirez and was decent until his injury. He’s the only one I can think of. 

Alan McLoughlin and Prutton join the list of disappointing ones.

Who was the next most expensive one after Proton? Delgado?

[S-Clarke]

8 hours ago, BotleySaint said:

Can anyone remember a record signing that actually worked out? It seems the more money we spend, the bigger the flop.

It's certainly slim pickings, as others have said Ings is the only real stand out @ £20m in recent years.

I think it just goes to show how utterly woeful our scouting has been on our 'key, make a difference' signings. We could make an 11 out of big money signings who we've had to give away for free.

[Baird of the land]

I’ve definitely been beyond disappointed by his output this season.

The moments where he looked a threat last season were quick breaks. Not sure our current style suits him but you’d still expect some output.

[Osvaldorama]

It’s mad 😂  

I am 100% confident that I could do a better job than our scouting team if I was paid to find good footballers. Who the fuck was watching Carrillo, Tall paul, Sulemana, Mara, Djenepo etc, etc, etc and thinking “yeah they’ve got enough quality to make a difference in the premier league”. 
 

Truly awful players. Would Mara even get into our league one side from a few years ago? I’d argue no chance 

[ErwinK1961]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

It's certainly slim pickings, as others have said Ings is the only real stand out @ £20m in recent years.

I think it just goes to show how utterly woeful our scouting has been on our 'key, make a difference' signings. We could make an 11 out of big money signings who we've had to give away for free.

Bazunu, Lyanco, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Perraud, Diallo, Lemina, Moi, Sulemana, Carillo, Onuachu.

Gunn, Caleta-Car, Bella-Kotchap, Salisu, Charles, Boufal, Mara, Djenepo, Stewart

We’ll never know exact figures, but by my reckoning that’s c. £270m spent… with next to nothing in return.

[the boy from saints]

Him and Mara were the first down the tunnel after the lap yesterday - both appeared to be totally uninterested and on their phones.

[Whitey Grandad]

35 minutes ago, the boy from saints said:

Him and Mara were the first down the tunnel after the lap yesterday - both appeared to be totally uninterested and on their phones.

…to their agents?

[Dark Munster]

6 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Bazunu, Lyanco, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Perraud, Diallo, Lemina, Moi, Sulemana, Carillo, Onuachu.

Gunn, Caleta-Car, Bella-Kotchap, Salisu, Charles, Boufal, Mara, Djenepo, Stewart

We’ll never know exact figures, but by my reckoning that’s c. £270m spent… with next to nothing in return.

Shockingly bad. And you can add that lunatic Dani "Headbutt" Osvaldo to that sorry list.

[malcolm waldron]

11 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Bazunu, Lyanco, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Perraud, Diallo, Lemina, Moi, Sulemana, Carillo, Onuachu.

Gunn, Caleta-Car, Bella-Kotchap, Salisu, Charles, Boufal, Mara, Djenepo, Stewart

We’ll never know exact figures, but by my reckoning that’s c. £270m spent… with next to nothing in return.

Can I add Edozie and Larios on the bench please.  And maybe Orsic too.....

[Dman]

34 minutes ago, malcolm waldron said:

Can I add Edozie and Larios on the bench please.  And maybe Orsic too.....

Fucking hell, I forgot about him 😂

[Dman]

As much as Sulemana has been a bit (bit being an understatement) of a let down, I think he's been criminally under used this season. 

A player like him, a bit off the cuff - limited techinical ability, but quick and direct, simply doesn't suit a Russell Martin team. He's a luxury player, but one who could have made the difference this season. 

[Rebel]

2 minutes ago, Dman said:

As much as Sulemana has been a bit (bit being an understatement) of a let down, I think he's been criminally under used this season. 

A player like him, a bit off the cuff - limited techinical ability, but quick and direct, simply doesn't suit a Russell Martin team. He's a luxury player, but one who could have made the difference this season. 

But he has no end product - no final pass or shot.  He's got pace and some tricky feet - but no awareness or game intelligence -and his positioning is terrible.

And I get the impression he doesn't really want to learn those things - or out the work in to get better. He seems to think he is the best there is already.

How we managed to pay the best part of £25M for a player who only played 34 games and scored 5 goals across 2 season with Stade Rennais in the French Ligue 1 is beyond me. They are terrible stats.  We paid more than double what he was worth.  For potential I guess - but based on what!?

42 games and 2 goals - and maybe one or two assists - for Saints.

I just hope we can get more than £10M back for him when we sell him in the summer - whether we go up or stay in the Championship we need better players than Sulemana.

Even if we paid £5M for him it would still have been a waste of money.

[disconnect]

23 minutes ago, Dman said:

As much as Sulemana has been a bit (bit being an understatement) of a let down, I think he's been criminally under used this season. 

A player like him, a bit off the cuff - limited techinical ability, but quick and direct, simply doesn't suit a Russell Martin team. He's a luxury player, but one who could have made the difference this season. 

He'd do well for Leeds, who break at pace and try to score goals.