hypochondriac Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 1 minute ago, woodsaint1 said: For the 100th time to a poster on here, what does it matter what they achieved as a player? Lampard and Gerrard may have got that initial respect, but once the players seen their coaching abilities, that respect would have evaporated very quickly. What they've achieved as a manager on the other hand..... I think that being a high achieving player gives you a better chance of success but it doesn't guarantee it. If you've spent your entire career around elite managers and players then you'd hope you've learnt a few things. Everything about Jones reeked of amateur and lower leagues. You would imagine that that wouldn't be the case with Carrick regardless of if he comes here or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegalEagle Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: For the 100th time to a poster on here, what does it matter what they achieved as a player? Lampard and Gerrard may have got that initial respect, but once the players seen their coaching abilities, that respect would have evaporated very quickly. What they've achieved as a manager on the other hand..... You’re right - it doesn’t matter what they achieved as a player but it does matter that Carrick played for 7 years under arguably the greatest manager ever. What he would have learned from Fergie you couldn’t teach anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 17 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 17 May, 2023 6 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said: For the 100th time to a poster on here, what does it matter what they achieved as a player? Lampard and Gerrard may have got that initial respect, but once the players seen their coaching abilities, that respect would have evaporated very quickly. What they've achieved as a manager on the other hand..... I’d imagine you’ve seen little to nothing of Middlesbrough or Carrick to make a judgement on his coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint1 Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 7 minutes ago, LegalEagle said: You’re right - it doesn’t matter what they achieved as a player but it does matter that Carrick played for 7 years under arguably the greatest manager ever. What he would have learned from Fergie you couldn’t teach anyone. He obviously taught Mark Robins more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 I suspect Carrick is just the sort of manager SR will want to get. They had their fingers burnt with Jones so are more likely to play it a little more conservatively. I could get behind Carrick, certainly seems to have something about him. Track record is ok and plays a pretty progressive game. Cannot believe Boro lost that game tonight but Coventry know how to take a chance. Aren't the club being a bit arrogant thinking Carrick would leave Boro for Saints, I'd imagine he'd be looking for a PL job next. Mowbray has an ok CV but he is a miserable bugger, we need some sunshine at the moment, nevertheless we could a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 54 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Twitter timeline has a few “go get Carrick” tweets popping up 🤦🏻♂️ Bloke has literally been a manager for a few months. Andrew prefers someone with experience 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, Turkish said: Andrew prefers someone with experience Controversial 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 4 hours ago, Bad Wolf said: Don't understand the fascination with Carrick. A few decent months as a manager. Seems a bit disingenuous. After losing his first match in charge, Carrick took them on a run of 15 wins in the next 20 matches. Took charge of 30 matches. So the best part of a season. 58 points in that time, i.e. 1.93 PPG. Extrapolating across a season you'd be looking at potential automatic promotion. I'm not claiming Carrick's the Messiah - or even a good fit for us. But has at least shown signs of having the chops for the Championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 1 hour ago, LegalEagle said: You’re right - it doesn’t matter what they achieved as a player but it does matter that Carrick played for 7 years under arguably the greatest manager ever. What he would have learned from Fergie you couldn’t teach anyone. How many other players played under Fergie? Is Gary Neville a good manager? It's pretty much irrelevant compared to assessing their actual ability as a manager 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 17 May, 2023 Share Posted 17 May, 2023 5 hours ago, Turkish said: Yeah but you also said Adam Armstrong had a higher ceiling than Broja I don't think I did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 7 hours ago, macca155 said: I suspect Carrick is just the sort of manager SR will want to get. They had their fingers burnt with Jones so are more likely to play it a little more conservatively. I could get behind Carrick, certainly seems to have something about him. Track record is ok and plays a pretty progressive game. Cannot believe Boro lost that game tonight but Coventry know how to take a chance. Aren't the club being a bit arrogant thinking Carrick would leave Boro for Saints, I'd imagine he'd be looking for a PL job next. Mowbray has an ok CV but he is a miserable bugger, we need some sunshine at the moment, nevertheless we could a lot worse. Mowbray is a really nice, honest bloke who was very popular with the Blackburn players. Whether or not he would be a good fit for us is another matter of course. I think Carrick is more SR’s sort of guy but he’s got a good Chairman at Boro and can’t see us tempting him away. Has done an excellent job as they were 21st when he took over. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 14 hours ago, LegalEagle said: What he would have learned from Fergie you couldn’t teach anyone. And what’s one thing SAF says to young managers? “Pick the right owner”. Heard that from him many times, when discussing players thinking of going into the managerial game. Steve Gibson, or our 🤡 show? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 15 hours ago, Appy said: Controversial Unpopular opinion 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice29 Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: And what’s one thing SAF says to young managers? “Pick the right owner”. Heard that from him many times, when discussing players thinking of going into the managerial game. Steve Gibson, or our 🤡 show? It’s funny how Gibsons reputation has always remained positive. They’ve gone from a European final to being unable to get out of the Championship which is quite the drop and one that if SR oversaw for example would not result in them being used as a good owner example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintStinger Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 15 hours ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: How many other players played under Fergie? Is Gary Neville a good manager? It's pretty much irrelevant compared to assessing their actual ability as a manager Time for Rooney then surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 (edited) https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/12883728/southampton-swansea-manager-russell-martin-one-of-leading-contenders-to-take-over-as-boss Just hoping we have other candidates we are talking to. Dont want another lower level manager. Edited 18 May, 2023 by davefizzy14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 10 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said: Mowbray is a really nice, honest bloke who was very popular with the Blackburn players. Whether or not he would be a good fit for us is another matter of course. I think Carrick is more SR’s sort of guy but he’s got a good Chairman at Boro and can’t see us tempting him away. Has done an excellent job as they were 21st when he took over. reckon he'd try and resign Sam Gallagher? No joke, he'd suit us right now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 38 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/12883728/southampton-swansea-manager-russell-martin-one-of-leading-contenders-to-take-over-as-boss Why would we be waiting until July to make an appointment. Makes utterly no sense atall. Just hoping we have other candidates we are talking to. Dont want another lower level manager. No good buggering about until they report back for pre-season. Need to get someone in asap so they can identify who they want to keep, who they want to sign etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 40 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/12883728/southampton-swansea-manager-russell-martin-one-of-leading-contenders-to-take-over-as-boss Why would we be waiting until July to make an appointment. Makes utterly no sense atall. Just hoping we have other candidates we are talking to. Dont want another lower level manager. Saving money as usual, but maybe also because other managers like Cooper or Moyes might come into the frame. Have funny feeling Potter will take over from Southgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 1 minute ago, beatlesaint said: No good buggering about until they report back for pre-season. Need to get someone in asap so they can identify who they want to keep, who they want to sign etc etc. What I'm hoping is it says we are speaking to several candidates. We need someone who can command instant respect of the players. Still hoping for Gerrard, Vieira e.t.c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm waldron Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 On 15/05/2023 at 21:36, Dark Munster said: Yes, but I wasn't referring to that nutter. It was this long diatribe which got a lot of people here excited! I think that long diatribe must have come from the Welsh mad man himself. Why would a random 'Luton' fan know much about Livramento, Larios and - above all - Thierry Small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 11 minutes ago, malcolm waldron said: I think that long diatribe must have come from the Welsh mad man himself. Why would a random 'Luton' fan know much about Livramento, Larios and - above all - Thierry Small? The part where it says ‘NJ will buy a tall striker in the next window’ does it for me. Has to be him or someone close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 How can anyone be excited by Russell Martin? A far less impressive CV than Nathan Jones. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: How can anyone be excited by Russell Martin? A far less impressive CV than Nathan Jones. Because we are in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 13 minutes ago, davefizzy14 said: What I'm hoping is it says we are speaking to several candidates. We need someone who can command instant respect of the players. Still hoping for Gerrard, Vieira e.t.c. What’s all this instant respect pony. If respect towards your playing career made you a good manager, why was Bobby Moore a poor manager? Why was Jackie a better man manager than Bobby Charlton & how did Jose have brilliant players eating out of his hands despite only having managed in Portugal and never having kicked a ball? It’s more likely the players will believe Gerrard is a substandard manager who only got the job off the back of his name. As when Matt was managed by his idol & favourite player, they’ll soon go off him if he’s a shite manager. I’d rather we got someone in who won them over with his managerial style, not his playing career. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: How can anyone be excited by Russell Martin? A far less impressive CV than Nathan Jones. But hopefully less of a helmet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 (edited) I get the idea of a certain type of manager to "unite the fans" Then, part of me hopes the club ignores than fans, who championed the summer transfer window as 9 or 10/10. We are clearly fucking clueless, in the main Edited 18 May, 2023 by AlexLaw76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, SaintsFan86 said: Because we are in the championship. Fulham got Marco Silva in the championship. We couldrtry and sell the project to Potter , Rodgers etc ...if there not interested fair enough, but we should be aiming higher than Russell Martin in my opinion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West end Saints Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 53 minutes ago, DT said: Saving money as usual, but maybe also because other managers like Cooper or Moyes might come into the frame. Have funny feeling Potter will take over from Southgate. Rubbish, we are badly run but the owners haven't been slow to spend, throwing money away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I get the idea of a certain type of manager to "unite the fans" Then, part of me hopes the club ignores than fans, who championed the summer transfer window as 9 or 10/10. We are clearly fucking clueless, in the main FFS you've been shoe horning 'how shit saints fans are' into posts since 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 Russell Martin is a vegan FFS. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 36 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I get the idea of a certain type of manager to "unite the fans" Then, part of me hopes the club ignores than fans, who championed the summer transfer window as 9 or 10/10. We are clearly fucking clueless, in the main I can’t think of anyone attainable that would unite the fans. Not too long ago many were turning their nose up at Howe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 17 minutes ago, Toussaint said: I can’t think of anyone attainable that would unite the fans. Not too long ago many were turning their nose up at Howe. Pirlo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said: But hopefully less of a helmet. Who cares what he's like as a person? Our new manager can go home, burn Saints shirts, spit on the Ted Bates statue and make sweet love to John Westwood for all I care as long as he achieves wins. Edited 18 May, 2023 by Bad Wolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 25 minutes ago, Toussaint said: I can’t think of anyone attainable that would unite the fans. Not too long ago many were turning their nose up at Howe. I still would tbf. But we DID also turn our noses up at Mancini and Tuchel (I think in the same window, after Puel left) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 16 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Who cares what he's like as a person? Our new manager can go home, burn Saints shirts, spit on the Ted Bates statue and make sweet love to John Westwood for all I care as long as he achieves wins. Of course but given the choice I'd rather have a likable character who is successful than someone irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleetCasual Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 I know this sounds like a “my brothers best friends uncles cousin says” but… My mate is Russell Martins foster brother, and he said it’s a done deal. Apparently the offer was too good to turn down. Having said that, he also said he had absolutely no interest in the Swansea job when they came in for him, then he changed his mind about 2 days later… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 7 minutes ago, FleetCasual said: I know this sounds like a “my brothers best friends uncles cousin says” but… My mate is Russell Martins foster brother, and he said it’s a done deal. Apparently the offer was too good to turn down. Having said that, he also said he had absolutely no interest in the Swansea job when they came in for him, then he changed his mind about 2 days later… I cannot find any reference to him being fostered but it's quite a random thing to make up so I'm going to stick my neck out and believe this has some truth 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 10 minutes ago, FleetCasual said: I know this sounds like a “my brothers best friends uncles cousin says” but… My mate is Russell Martins foster brother, and he said it’s a done deal. Apparently the offer was too good to turn down. Having said that, he also said he had absolutely no interest in the Swansea job when they came in for him, then he changed his mind about 2 days later… Plus you haven't posted since 2016 prior to this post 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: I cannot find any reference to him being fostered but it's quite a random thing to make up so I'm going to stick my neck out and believe this has some truth 😬 Maybe he’s not the one that was fostered 👀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 Season starts on 4th August, they need the manager onboard by end of may, to be Involved in transfers who suit his style etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 2 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said: Because we are in the championship. There would probably be about 8-10 teams that would be exited about Martin. We shouldn't be one of them. If I were a Middlesbrough fan, having just lost a playoff semi final, my sets would be set higher than Russell Martin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said: Who cares what he's like as a person? Our new manager can go home, burn Saints shirts, spit on the Ted Bates statue and make sweet love to John Westwood for all I care as long as he achieves wins. Personality is rather important in the bloke who manages the players and is the face/voice of the club with the media. I suspect that your cared that Jones was an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintscummer Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 39 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: Plus you haven't posted since 2016 prior to this post 👀 What’s how often he posts got to do with it ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: There would probably be about 8-10 teams that would be exited about Martin. We shouldn't be one of them. If I were a Middlesbrough fan, having just lost a playoff semi final, my sets would be set higher than Russell Martin. Middlesbrough fans don't want a different manager right now, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleetCasual Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 38 minutes ago, The Curse of St Mary's said: I cannot find any reference to him being fostered but it's quite a random thing to make up so I'm going to stick my neck out and believe this has some truth 😬 https://amp.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2022/03/27/99193/mallorca-football-coach-robert-croll-talks-about-rma-mallorca.html It may not prove I know the guy, but it mentions he has a foster brother here. You’ll just just have to take my word for it! And yes, I have been a lapse forum user, always more of a lurker. Also I moved to Sweden about 5 years ago and don’t follow the team as actively as I did when living in London. Still love them though, even though they try my patience! Was just sharing what I’ve heard as I thought you guys might be interested 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M271 Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 His brother (I don't know if fostered or not) is Jamie Martin who is an actor and is 9 years older than him. He may have other brothers though. Jamie Martin | Wiki 24 | Fandom Extract from a Norwich article: When he was at school in Brighton, he followed his dad’s advice – always have something to fall back on. If he hadn’t made it as a footballer, Martin would probably be treading the boards at your local theatre, perhaps trying to persuade playwright and actor brother Jamie to give him a part, appearing on TV – again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 Famous family indeed. TV chef, lead singer of cold play and a migratory bird that builds nests from mud. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 4 minutes ago, Toussaint said: Famous family indeed. TV chef, lead singer of cold play and a migratory bird that builds nests from mud. It’s Happy Hour!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 18 May, 2023 Share Posted 18 May, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Webby said: It’s Happy Hour!! It’s time for him to Build a new team. Always the same when we get a new manager, it makes me Anxious. it could be that of the next few people to post, Five get over excited. Edited 18 May, 2023 by teamsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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