Saint_clark Posted 2 September, 2023 Share Posted 2 September, 2023 4 hours ago, Turkish said: You’ve completely made that scenario up in your head It's how I read the scenario based on what was happening at that exact moment. Everyone is free to make up their own minds about why he was pissed off. It's possible he'd stubbed his toe. However, Man City graduate, England under 21 captain, Euro Championship winning, Championship title winning centreback being overlooked in his favoured position for a centre midfielder? It's not a stretch to say that's why he looked pissed off at the exact moment the substitution was being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 September, 2023 Share Posted 2 September, 2023 3 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: It's how I read the scenario based on what was happening at that exact moment. Everyone is free to make up their own minds about why he was pissed off. It's possible he'd stubbed his toe. However, Man City graduate, England under 21 captain, Euro Championship winning, Championship title winning centreback being overlooked in his favoured position for a centre midfielder? It's not a stretch to say that's why he looked pissed off at the exact moment the substitution was being made. You know we signed him yesterday, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 September, 2023 Share Posted 2 September, 2023 52 minutes ago, CB Fry said: You know we signed him yesterday, right? What's the point in him being on the bench then if there was zero intention of using him? Especially when there were clearly such huge issues at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 September, 2023 Share Posted 2 September, 2023 17 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: What's the point in him being on the bench then if there was zero intention of using him? Especially when there were clearly such huge issues at CB. In the world of bloody nine players on the bench he was literally there to make up the numbers. We'd have needed injuries to CBs to see him on the pitch today. If I was Martin and just seen Holgates performance after a week of preparation I would not be replacing him with someone with less than a day of preparation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 3 September, 2023 Share Posted 3 September, 2023 13 hours ago, Saint_clark said: It's how I read the scenario based on what was happening at that exact moment. Everyone is free to make up their own minds about why he was pissed off. It's possible he'd stubbed his toe. However, Man City graduate, England under 21 captain, Euro Championship winning, Championship title winning centreback being overlooked in his favoured position for a centre midfielder? It's not a stretch to say that's why he looked pissed off at the exact moment the substitution was being made. Shea Charles didn’t take Holgate’s position though, he played on the right side of defence, right-back/wing-back. Manning came more central and played a sort of hybrid centre-back/left-back position. Holgate coming off changed the shape of the team (not that it did any good), bringing on THB as a centre-back replacement simply wouldn’t have done that. THB may have been pissed off that he didn’t get on the pitch, but suggesting Shea Charles was chosen in THB’s position instead of him is just fundamentally incorrect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSA96 Posted 16 November, 2023 Share Posted 16 November, 2023 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 November, 2023 Share Posted 16 November, 2023 We've done so well to get this guy, our best signing in many, many years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 16 November, 2023 Share Posted 16 November, 2023 1 hour ago, S-Clarke said: We've done so well to get this guy, our best signing in many, many years. He s only here on a loan, gotta hope we get promoted 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 16 November, 2023 Share Posted 16 November, 2023 (edited) On 16/11/2023 at 12:41, CSA96 said: He's probably been advised to leave saints for the sake of his England career then... Edited 17 November, 2023 by Saint86 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 18 November, 2023 Share Posted 18 November, 2023 On 16/11/2023 at 17:03, S-Clarke said: We've done so well to get this guy, our best signing in many, many years. Without trying to nitpick I just wonder why you would put him above Lavia as our best signing for many years ? lavia was under half the price and proved it at premiership level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 18 November, 2023 Share Posted 18 November, 2023 On 17/11/2023 at 03:03, S-Clarke said: We've done so well to get this guy, our best signing in many, many years. He's good alright. I'd rate him as good as, if not better than John Stones at the same stage of their careers. He (THB) is one of several reasons why promotion is so crucial this season - even if it is quite good winning a lot of games in the Championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 November, 2023 Share Posted 19 November, 2023 23 hours ago, austsaint said: He's good alright. I'd rate him as good as, if not better than John Stones at the same stage of their careers. He (THB) is one of several reasons why promotion is so crucial this season - even if it is quite good winning a lot of games in the Championship. That's a fairly bold statement. The only similarities that I can see is that he is English and has played for Man City. Suppose he turns out to be as good as you hope, do you think seriously that City would let him go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 19 November, 2023 Share Posted 19 November, 2023 24 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: That's a fairly bold statement. The only similarities that I can see is that he is English and has played for Man City. Suppose he turns out to be as good as you hope, do you think seriously that City would let him go? I think there are a few more similarities. When Stones was the same age as THB he was impressing at Everton as a young, physical CB with technical skills and a good passing game. I see the same attributes in Harwood-Bellis. As to whether City would let him go. It all depends on whether we get promoted this season, in which case there would be every chance he would become a permanent player. If we don't go up, he's one of the first out the door.....he will surely be playing in the Prem in 24/25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 19 November, 2023 Share Posted 19 November, 2023 Is he a natural successor to VVD at the dippers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted 19 November, 2023 Share Posted 19 November, 2023 I don’t understand why Burnley did not buy him outright. Or do more to buy him outright. Losing a player of his calibre was a huge gamble /criminally careless of them. If we go up our obligation to buy for£20m will be a bargain. And given the criteria for CB’s being selected for the full ENG squad ( basically are you English ✅does your epl team pick you at cb ✅) and the fact the limited maguire still starts most games ) suggests to me THB staying uninjured will make the full England squad by this time next season ( whether it’s with us or a n other epl team). And at his age that means his value basically trebles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 November, 2023 Share Posted 19 November, 2023 13 minutes ago, gio1saints said: And given the criteria for CB’s being selected for the full ENG squad ( basically are you English ✅does your epl team pick you at cb ✅) and the fact the limited maguire still starts most games ) suggests to me THB staying uninjured will make the full England squad by this time next season ( whether it’s with us or a n other epl team). And at his age that means his value basically trebles. I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 19 November, 2023 Share Posted 19 November, 2023 5 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: I think you're getting a bit ahead of yourself. Yes, but that doesn't help me decide whether to go with my current suit size or go with one that reflect my waist size for the year after's Ballon d'Or celebration for THB 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted 30 December, 2023 Share Posted 30 December, 2023 (edited) That lofted pass for Che last night was simply superb. It shows we can go direct. Ie RM has not disallowed it! That the CB has got an eye, and the ability, to reward intelligent runs. Also shows why THB is going to be a bargain buy if we get promoted. playing brilliantly and were he to do this at EPL level his value easily doubles to £50m+ imo. I also think the uptick in form ( from a high base- he’s one of our players of the season for sure so far) is in no small part connected to his developing a good relationship with Jan - as well as the return to squad of JS and the positive motivation to keep his place that creates. RM taking him off for JS a few matches ago has coincided with several excellent performances thereafter from THB. There is a correlation in my mind so kudos to the man management taking place also. Edited 30 December, 2023 by gio1saints 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway saint Posted 30 December, 2023 Share Posted 30 December, 2023 he’s a very very good player and whoever at the club arranged this deserves a huge pat on the back. indeed having him, bednarek and KWP in defence is exceptional really for the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 December, 2023 Share Posted 30 December, 2023 1 hour ago, gio1saints said: That lofted pass for Che last night was simply superb. It shows we can go direct. Ie RM has not disallowed it! Indeed. Great to see that we appear to be trying it much more often than earlier in the season. Long may it continue! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 30 December, 2023 Share Posted 30 December, 2023 1 minute ago, trousers said: Indeed. Great to see that we appear to be trying it much more often than earlier in the season. Long may it continue! It was good to see we were trying much more compared to the 1st half.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 December, 2023 Share Posted 30 December, 2023 Such a class CB - him getting a consistent role in the side is one of the main reasons why we are so good defensively. The bloke is a leader, very vocal, good on the ball (technically) and his head is like a magnet. He's ticks pretty much all boxes you want from a modern day CB. We did well to get him, a massive coup at the time. The obligation to buy 'if' we go up was another mega clever bit of business - just have to hope we get there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 December, 2023 Share Posted 30 December, 2023 29 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Such a class CB - him getting a consistent role in the side is one of the main reasons why we are so good defensively. The bloke is a leader, very vocal, good on the ball (technically) and his head is like a magnet. He's ticks pretty much all boxes you want from a modern day CB. We did well to get him, a massive coup at the time. The obligation to buy 'if' we go up was another mega clever bit of business - just have to hope we get there. He is what we’ve been missing for years. A proper defender, a leader someone who can organise the defence. I said this when he joined, like you say no coincidence that since he’s been a regular we’ve gone from one of the worst defences to one of the best 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted 30 December, 2023 Share Posted 30 December, 2023 Whoever picks our player of the match is an absolute moron for not picking one of THB or Bednarek on a number of occasions this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Wanted to bump this to give a shout out to THB's superb range of passing. The ball to Fraser on Saturday that led to his back-heel to Arma was inch perfect. It's great for the team that he's got that in his locker especially with the clever runs made by the likes of RF and AA. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 22 minutes ago, saintant said: Wanted to bump this to give a shout out to THB's superb range of passing. The ball to Fraser on Saturday that led to his back-heel to Arma was inch perfect. It's great for the team that he's got that in his locker especially with the clever runs made by the likes of RF and AA. He's like prime Fonte, But has unreal passing ability. I do hope we go up because he is going to be the next VvD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 6 hours ago, saintant said: Wanted to bump this to give a shout out to THB's superb range of passing. The ball to Fraser on Saturday that led to his back-heel to Arma was inch perfect. It's great for the team that he's got that in his locker especially with the clever runs made by the likes of RF and AA. He's so good just cannot get my head around why Burnley didn't sign him. Future England regular in my opinion. What a difference it makes for Baz in goal having a settled centre back partnership in front of him. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Vey Classy player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Do Man City have an option not to sell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, JRM said: He's so good just cannot get my head around why Burnley didn't sign him. Future England regular in my opinion. What a difference it makes for Baz in goal having a settled centre back partnership in front of him. I don't think they could afford him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 21 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Do Man City have an option not to sell? No but they probably have a buy back clause in the eventual transfer, will be so annoying if we don’t go up this season as he must be being heavily tracked by premier league clubs! I was surprised we got him this year next year he has to be playing top flight football he’s way to good for this league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, a1ex2001 said: No but they probably have a buy back clause in the eventual transfer, will be so annoying if we don’t go up this season as he must be being heavily tracked by premier league clubs! I was surprised we got him this year next year he has to be playing top flight football he’s way to good for this league. The way I see it, is is that if he's good enough to be a Premier League player, and future England international, then he'll be good enough to get us promoted (which will obviously result in us signing him). I'm assuming here that he would sign for us whether he wanted to or not!? So it's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) Agree with everyone else, immense player. Can go to the very top. Dare I say it, reminds me a bit of John Terry. He has the same ability to drop balls out of the sky and a cultured first touch. Edited February 6 by Osvaldorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 47 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Agree with everyone else, immense player. Can go to the very top. Dare I say it, reminds me a bit of John Terry. He has the same ability to drop balls out of the sky and a cultured first touch. Yep, there are certain similarities with JT but I hope to god THB ends up being, dare I say it, less of a cunt. 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 This is the type of ball I think THB is already capable of but probably just needs to relax into it a little bit more. This is FULL HOLLYWOOD 👇 https://x.com/worldsoccertalk/status/1754552077743788244?s=46&t=l5Q4mkKSxz5qdVtggXqogw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 4 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said: Do Man City have an option not to sell? No, but THB has the option to reject us so if they wanted to keep him they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gio1saints Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: No, but THB has the option to reject us so if they wanted to keep him they could. Not sure that’s correct. But your underlying fear that THB might have outgrown us by end season either way i share. Both Man Utd and Liverpool could want him next season if VVD and Maquire leave.. We have THB on a year long loan with obligation to purchase -if we get promoted. We, city and THB are parties to the contract and it would have required three way consent to proceed. IF we go up City cannot, without breaching contract, refuse to sell at the agreed price. Ditto THB, without breaching contract, cannot refuse to make loan permanent. Saints cannot, without breaching contract (and implications therein) refuse to buy THB for £20m if we get promoted. It would never come to that I’m sure if THB simply did not fancy another year with Saints as you say perhaps because, say, Liverpool wanted him. What would happen is that we’d either buy him, try convince him to stay, fail, then sell him to Liverpool. Or more simply City sell him and we get given proceeds minus £20m. Either way him not staying a season with us in EPL would be a massive blow so any time he spends with us next season will require a massive wage upgrade I’m sure. If saints can get him To sign a 5 year deal in summer then if worst comes to worst at least we can get best fee possible for him. Edited February 6 by gio1saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I think thoughts of THB going straight to a top team are a little premature. Fantastic as he has been he is still completely untested at PL level, which is a huge step up from The Championship. If we go up he'll, I'm sure, be delighted to join permanently as a first choice CB in a PL team. Of course if he steps up as we believe he can he won't stay long, but by that time he'll be worth mega money and I will fully enjoy watching Saints piss it up the wall again ala VVD. Or City will have a buy back clause worth buttons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 8 minutes ago, Barsiem said: I think thoughts of THB going straight to a top team are a little premature. Fantastic as he has been he is still completely untested at PL level, which is a huge step up from The Championship. If we go up he'll, I'm sure, be delighted to join permanently as a first choice CB in a PL team. Of course if he steps up as we believe he can he won't stay long, but by that time he'll be worth mega money and I will fully enjoy watching Saints piss it up the wall again ala VVD. Or City will have a buy back clause worth buttons. Big agree. He looks the dogs bollocks playing against Chuckle Vision United etc. but has yet to have premier league players running at him consistently. Truth his he has had plenty of moments this season where he puts a lazy header or foot on a ball that ends up in a shooting opportunity for the opposition - in the prem he would get punished for this a lot more than in the Championship - shades of prime Yoshida. Don't get me wrong, he's playing great in this team in this league and I would love to see how he handles the step up. Let's just remember where we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Barsiem said: I think thoughts of THB going straight to a top team are a little premature. Fantastic as he has been he is still completely untested at PL level, which is a huge step up from The Championship. If we go up he'll, I'm sure, be delighted to join permanently as a first choice CB in a PL team. Of course if he steps up as we believe he can he won't stay long, but by that time he'll be worth mega money and I will fully enjoy watching Saints piss it up the wall again ala VVD. Or City will have a buy back clause worth buttons. Good point. Janny B. also has looked very good this season. Not so much previously in the PL. Ditto AArmstrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 THB is a rolls royce of a centre back 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 16 hours ago, saintant said: Wanted to bump this to give a shout out to THB's superb range of passing. The ball to Fraser on Saturday that led to his back-heel to Arma was inch perfect. It's great for the team that he's got that in his locker especially with the clever runs made by the likes of RF and AA. He's really started to do this regularly too, a few times a game at least. Our forwards know to expect it; we've scored a couple from his long balls forwards. It gives our opponents a real dilemma too - do they close THB down, even if they're not set up for pressing? Our whole play style is built around keeping possession, finding the extra man, so pressing him just opens up spaces on the rest of the pitch. Do they play a lower block to minimise the space behind the defence? That lets us progress up the pitch comfortably and have a game of attack vs defence. Or try and play an offside trap - which has its own obvious drawbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Mulgrew Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 It’s not just THB either; Bednarek plays just as many long, diagonal or over-the-top balls that are equally accurate and defence-splitting, too. Stephens, not so much but he does tend to surge forward with the ball a bit more. So, our three CBs contribute a lot to our attacking play as well as piss about, drawing the oppo’s press onto them to open up gaps that we can exploit. A key part of our play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said: It’s not just THB either; Bednarek plays just as many long, diagonal or over-the-top balls that are equally accurate and defence-splitting, too. Stephens, not so much but he does tend to surge forward with the ball a bit more. So, our three CBs contribute a lot to our attacking play as well as piss about, drawing the oppo’s press onto them to open up gaps that we can exploit. A key part of our play. Bednarek is a conundrum. On the one hand he's 27, coming into prime years for a CB. On the other hand we've seen him in the Prem before and he was a liability - will he really have improved that much from one season dominating in the Championship where we have 60-70% of the ball most games and little defending to do? I'd love to think so, but my head is telling my heart we should look to upgrade if we get promoted. Maybe buy another THB style youngster to play backup for a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsFan86 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Bednarek is a conundrum. On the one hand he's 27, coming into prime years for a CB. On the other hand we've seen him in the Prem before and he was a liability - will he really have improved that much from one season dominating in the Championship where we have 60-70% of the ball most games and little defending to do? I'd love to think so, but my head is telling my heart we should look to upgrade if we get promoted. Maybe buy another THB style youngster to play backup for a season. I imagine the club will look to strengthen and bring in another CB to push Bednarek/THB for a starting spot along with Stephens. Providing we get promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 10 hours ago, SaintsFan86 said: I imagine the club will look to strengthen and bring in another CB to push Bednarek/THB for a starting spot along with Stephens. Providing we get promoted. ABK will come back from his loan as well, if he can repair his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osvaldorama Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 22 minutes ago, JRM said: ABK will come back from his loan as well, if he can repair his shoulder. No thanks, absolute dosser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 16 hours ago, Tommy Mulgrew said: It’s not just THB either; Bednarek plays just as many long, diagonal or over-the-top balls that are equally accurate and defence-splitting, too. Stephens, not so much but he does tend to surge forward with the ball a bit more. So, our three CBs contribute a lot to our attacking play as well as piss about, drawing the oppo’s press onto them to open up gaps that we can exploit. A key part of our play. We've been doing this since just before Christmas, long balls either over the top or splitting the defence with low accurate long passes with runners running on. It seemed to start for me when Stephens came back, his long low passes were very noticeable and THB with the ones over the top. It seems to have taken a while for JB to get in on the act but he too is now executing these passes well, hence we are now looking very slick with quick progression from back to front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 26 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: No thanks, absolute dosser He must have something about him having been in the Germany squad at the world Cup, just seems to struggle with injuries reoccurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 3 hours ago, JRM said: ABK will come back from his loan as well, if he can repair his shoulder. Glass shoulders….never off the treatment table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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